Mini 1766: SCP Foundation Mafia (GAME OVER)

[A Real Scourge]

Rask, just cause you're town doesn't mean you're definitely right, and i'm definitely not gonna lynch you to 'prove' your analysis. you can be wrong and town, or right and scum. i don't agree that shos has to be town because of partner interactions, and i dont think that partner analysis is infallible. i mean it's cool and i think it can be helpful, but it's not 100%.

Flub, which nights did you target me and Rask?

[Raskolnikov]

Rask, did you answer why you decided to roleblock Dream Man?

He was more null at the time but I didn't know what his role was. Roleblocking klingon would have been stupid for obvious reasons and if you were town I didn't want to deny your flavor result either. I think at that point I still wasn't sure if mafia could act + kill and so I wanted someone who wasn't expected to act though I think that was a stupid concern now. In retrospect I probably should have targeted flub(EE) but this dream man interaction has actually been pretty useful.

Rask, just cause you're town doesn't mean you're definitely right, and i'm definitely not gonna lynch you to 'prove' your analysis. you can be wrong and town, or right and scum. i don't agree that shos has to be town because of partner interactions, and i dont think that partner analysis is infallible. i mean it's cool and i think it can be helpful, but it's not 100%.

I didn't say I was definitely right,

The only case in which it makes sense to ignore what I'm saying is if you think I'm telling the truth yet mistaken, in which case you should point out where what I'm saying is potentially wrong because I'm pretty confident in all of this and can back up specifics.

so if you want we can talk about specifics. Who do you think the scumteam is?

[shos]

Did everyone claim by now? Can we make an organized list of all the claims again, full, this time?

[Raskolnikov]

How nice of you to volunteer

[shos]

no time for digging mate, sorriez

[Flubbernugget]

Flub, which nights did you target me and Rask?

The original slot targeted rask D1 and I targeted you D2

[Raskolnikov]

Why would you role cop ARS in that situation over klingon or someone else??

[Flubbernugget]

Klingon didn't start too look bad until d2

[Flubbernugget]

D3 rather.

[Dream Man]

By my word, this is such a conundrum.

Raskol claims to be a 'roleblocked Roleblocker', apparently the only way in which a town's claim is plausible.

What is notable however, is the delay of the claim. As more than one player has noticed, Raskol delayed what should have been an immediate claim significantly, by more than a day or two. Instead, the immediate reaction to my information was a panicked tirade not too far resembling a well-rehearsed "woe is me!" and "follow my reads after I've been mislynched" speech. It thus leads one to imagine if Raskol had been discussing with a partner on what would be an appropriate claim being trapped in such a manner.

Kelbris had already flipped a Mafia Jack-Of-All-Trades with a delayed roleblock ability:

You may target a player of your choice, and they will be prevented from using any action. However, the blocking will not occur until the following night..

How likely is it that Davsto includes two roleblocking abilities in the scum's arsenal?

[Dream Man]

This is to say, that not only are there three roleblocking-type roles in this game, but two would go to scum, and one to Raskol.

Considering our current living-and-dead (presumably town) power roles, for instance:
One Amnesiac Cops - Klingoncelt
One Flavour Cop - Scourge
One Lightning Rod - Alchemist21
One Passive Loud Self-Motion-Detector - Myself
One Vigilante (that is unable to move when visited at night) - MarioManiac
One (dubious) Roleblocker - Raskol
One Role Cop. - Flubbernugget
One Paranoid-Gun-Owner - Elsa & Anna


This listing of roles brings me to my next suspicion: The inclusion of both a flavour cop and a role cop. It seems unlikely that both would be placed on the same faction's side -- it creates redundancy.

Anybody would like to share some thoughts on this?

[Dream Man]

Oh, and shos claims to be a Fruit Vendor.

I posit that Raskol is infact not a Roleblocker, nor had any plans to visit myself, but rather was intent on claiming Tracker today in order to coast for the win, given his skilful acting.

I also suspect Flubbernugget, for his role's redundancy in comparison to Scourge's, as well as claiming as such to save Raskol at a critical moment.

[Dream Man]

Ha. Post #682. Funny, Davsto.

[Dream Man]

If nobody minds, I'd like for flubber lynched today for his "role cop" claim, so that Scourge and Raskol's roles can be proven both at once.

This might not do much in terms of determining their alignments, but it can help to verify what they're saying; Raskol in particular.

[Dream Man]

In any case, it also helps to prove that shos's Fruit Vendor claim exists.

[Flubbernugget]

What is notable however, is the delay of the claim. As more than one player has noticed, Raskol delayed what should have been an immediate claim significantly, by more than a day or two. Instead, the immediate reaction to my information was a panicked tirade not too far resembling a well-rehearsed "woe is me!" and "follow my reads after I've been mislynched" speech. It thus leads one to imagine if Raskol had been discussing with a partner on what would be an appropriate claim being trapped in such a manner.

So uhhhh you know scum has daychat?

[Raskolnikov]

Raskol claims to be a 'roleblocked Roleblocker', apparently the only way in which a town's claim is plausible.

Almost but not exactly.

If you read 1264 I also say its possible ARS is scum with a ninja or other modifier that would make him not show up as visiting.
Again,
A) ARS not detected as visiting for some reason
B) I was RB'd, JK'd, redirected or otherwise prevented from visiting. If a townie did something like this they would have said it by now I think so it would have to be from scum.
C) I didn't think of this until now, but if you were scum with ARS he would know your material and you both could pretend he visited you for the sake of pushing this lynch. This is even possible without daytalk though daytalk would make it a lot easier. I think this is probably unlikely but I guess I should look into it.

If nobody minds, I'd like for flubber lynched today for his "role cop" claim, so that Scourge and Raskol's roles can be proven both at once.

This might not do much in terms of determining their alignments, but it can help to verify what they're saying; Raskol in particular.

Though just like you I would like a flubber lynch I don't understand your reasoning for it.
If I were you and thought I was lying I would just vote/lynch me; lynching flubber to verify me and ARS's role actually does very little to help because knowing if me and ARS are telling the truth about our roles would still leave the original choice and not clear alignments. Like "I think raskol is lying but let's lynch flubber first" actually doesn't make sense from town pov and you should explain this.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon didn't start too look bad until d2

By all means, please, oh please rolecop me tonight.

Don't anyone block Flub!

[Klingoncelt]

One Amnesiac Cops - Klingoncelt
One Flavour Cop - Scourge
One Role Cop. - Flubbernugget
One Passive Loud Self-Motion-Detector - Dream Man
One Lightning Rod - Alchemist21
One Vigilante (that is unable to move when visited at night) - Ranger
One Paranoid-Gun-Owner - Elsa & Anna
One (dubious) Roleblocker - Raskol
One After-Death Roleblocker - Iraonavp
One Ascetic - Jmo16mla
One Treestump - SnarkySnowman
One Fruit Vendor - Shos
One Mafia JoaT - Kelbris

Fruit Vendors are often 3rd Party Survivors. When a game has 3rd Parties, there's often a Role Cop, any alignment.

I don't see the point of a Flavor Cop, when flavor is NAI.

But this game is a Role Madness, isn't it?

Myself, I think our Scums are E&A and Raskol.

[Klingoncelt]

If nobody minds, I'd like for flubber lynched today for his "role cop" claim, so that Scourge and Raskol's roles can be proven both at once.

This might not do much in terms of determining their alignments, but it can help to verify what they're saying; Raskol in particular.

I mind.

At this point Flub's not my strongest scumread.

There are 7 players left, 3 could be Scum. We can't have any mislynches now.

[shos]

Im withklimgon

[Elsa and Anna]

Oh and thank fucking god for Paint Mafia being over because that's what happens when you assume fruit vendors are town.

Shos is fucking obvious scum. if you're letting stupid setup spec confirm him as town then you're an idiot.

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Shos

for emphasis.

he gets lynched today, no one else.

[Raskolnikov]

If you think shos is scum then who is his partner?

[Elsa and Anna]

If nobody minds, I'd like for flubber lynched today for his "role cop" claim, so that Scourge and Raskol's roles can be proven both at once.

This might not do much in terms of determining their alignments, but it can help to verify what they're saying; Raskol in particular.

yeah so this is fucking awful.
I'm not townreading Flubber but Scourge lying about her role can only be scum with Shos which means that Flubber is town and telling the truth.
And lynching an investigative to prove their results is just asinine.

We're lynching Shos today. If he flips scum, Klingon and Flubber are going to target me overnight or be force lynched tomorrow.