Mini 1772 ~ Game Over

[Antihero]

If you are town, it is between bluetrin, not_mafia, gws. Who is scum amongst these?

no idea ask me later

[Gale Wing Srock]

Also ChilledTea cleared Lowell who was quiet suspicious to us, I don't think scum ChilledTea would do that.

[Not_Mafia]

Gale you were in my game with the Neapolitan and 2 Masons

[Gale Wing Srock]

I haven't seen town have three PRs before, and the scums could very well have three goons.

O_O

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Anti, if BlueTrin is not scum, then you must be the scum.

[Not_Mafia]

What about me?

[Gale Wing Srock]

Gale you were in my game with the Neapolitan and 2 Masons

Do the masons count as two? I always thought them to be counted as one.

[Gale Wing Srock]

I don't see why you would keep FA alive.

[Not_Mafia]

Why would Anti?

[Antihero]

I don't see why you would keep FA alive.

why would anybody?

[Antihero]

yeah... hating every gale post on this page

[Gale Wing Srock]

The reason I think Anti could be scum is because of the way he is approaching the game (laid back), his reaction to FA post her claim, and his reaction to the Lynches on Day 2 and Day 3.

The thing that I was not able to wrap my brain around, is why would a scum keep FA alive?

Either you have to be someone who knows FA and can get her mislynched or you have to be someone who doesn't understand logic. Anti vs FA's arguments on Day 1 made me realize that Anti could be benefiting from keeping FA alive.

That is why I think its between BlueTrin and Anti.

[Antihero]

wow that's awful

really how would anyone think they could get a tracker w/ a guilty on flipped scum lynched? walk us through that.

[Gale Wing Srock]

That is what you have to answer, Anti.

[Antihero]

The reason I think Anti could be scum is because of the way he is approaching the game (laid back), his reaction to FA post her claim, and his reaction to the Lynches on Day 2 and Day 3.

>oh noes, i'm playing in a way that preserves my sanity. how scummy of me.
>i thought she was town b/c as a scum gambit it would be absolute lunacy? ok... that's apparently scummy too.
>ok that's not descriptive at all

[Antihero]

That is what you have to answer, Anti.

yeah... no

VOTE: gale

[Antihero]

your argument is "anti kept fa alive b/c he thought he could get her mislynched"

substantiate on that

[Antihero]

every case and argument you've made up to this point has been so unnecessarily complicated and draped with awful logic leaps and now i'm thinking there's something to that.

[Antihero]

looked back at day 1

Votecount 1.11

lovelygiant (5) -

Almost50, Postie, Creature, Lowell, Frozen Angel

(L-2)

Creature (3) -

Antihero, lovelygiant, BlueTrin

Frozen Angel (1) -

GuyFawkes

Postie (1) -

Dierfire

pistachi0n (1) -

Gale Wing Srock

Gale Wing Srock (1) -

pistachi0n

Not Voting (1) -

chilledtea

With 13 players remaining, 7 votes are required to lynch.
Day 1 deadline - (expired on 2016-03-17 10:00:00)

Notes -

Spoiler: Full VC

Dierfire (0) -

Gale Wing Srock (1) -

Dierfire

,

Postie

,

pistachi0n

,

Lowell

,

lovelygiant

,

Postie

, pistachi0n

Lowell (0) -

BlueTrin (0) -

lovelygiant

,

pistachi0n

,

Gale Wing Srock

GuyFawkes (0) -

lovelygiant

chilledtea (0) -

Creature

,

BlueTrin

pistachi0n (1) -

Gale Wing Srock

Almost50 (0) -

Almost50

,

Creature

,

Antihero

Frozen Angel (1) -

BlueTrin

,

Postie

,

chilledtea

,

Creature

,

Frozen Angel

,

pistachi0n

,

Frozen Angel

, GuyFawkes

Postie (1) -

Dierfire,

Gale Wing Srock

,

Frozen Angel

Creature (3) -

GuyFawkes

,

chilledtea

,

BlueTrin

, Antihero,

Gale Wing Srock

,

Postie

,

Frozen Angel

, lovelygiant,

Frozen Angel

, BlueTrin

lovelygiant (5) -

Lowell

,

BlueTrin

,

GuyFawkes

,

Gale Wing Srock

, Almost50,

Frozen Angel

, Postie, Creature,

Gale Wing Srock

, Lowell, Frozen Angel

Antihero (0) -

Creature

,

Frozen Angel

No Lynch (0) -

Not Voting (1) -

chilledtea

Case on Pistachi0n being a sure shot lurker scum

:

Okay, I have seen what I wanted to see wrt pistachi0n and the two wagons. So here is what I think right now:

Deduction:

Pistachi0n is scum regardless of whether LovelyGiant is scum or Creature is scum or both.

Process:

1) I believe everyone is aware why I voted for Pistachi0n? If not then check the posts in the spoiler tag.

Spoiler: Vote on Pistachi0n

I think the whole thing with FA was likely a scum gambit. It's out of character, she's been very composed in every game I've played with her.

Postie is a sheep.

The Creature wagon was terrible.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

And what do you think of the LovelyGiant wagon?

You're right, I wasn't paying enough attention. I see there are no cops and I feel stupid.

I still don't think FA surviving will clear her

.

Who said that FA surviving would clear her?

And what is the point of 545? You seem pressured and nervous, whats up?

FA

, I actually think that you got a nibble.

Imo 541 is a scum slip, I am getting a feeling that its coming from a scum who is planning not to kill you, and was trying to get Town PRs to focus on you.

If he didn't like the creature wagon, why didn't he vote for the LovelyGiant wagon (that would have put LovelyGiant at L-1) or atleast talk about it?

Lets get some votes here.

VOTE: pistachi0n

2) So pistachi0n was pressured and nervous wrt the two wagons, and she avoided mentioning about the LovelyGiant wagon, called Creature's wagon as terrible and voted for FA (who claimed Macho Tracker). I wanted to know why she is pressured and nervous wrt the wagons and why she didn't mention about the LovelyGiant wagon. This everyone knows by now.

3) But what I also wanted to do was check how many scums are there in the two major wagons.

4) My thinking before the unvote (525) was that LovelyGiant was at L-1 and if Lowell (or any player not on LovelyGiant's wagon for that matter) is scum with him, then they would most likely buss their buddy to end the day early and get town cred.

5) So I unvoted to see such a reaction (and still make sure that we don't end the day early).
In comes Mr. Lowell with his 530. Filled with bussing emotions and another mediocre reason to vote for LovelyGiant.

6) I knew that you guys would brush this aside because of my earlier theory on him, so I wanted to see if there are other buddies to LovelyGiant.

7) Just then FA unvotes <3 (533) Which is proof enough for me that she is town this game.

8) As soon as pistachi0n voted for FA after ignoring the LovelyGiant wagon (536). I was sure that we got a scum, but I wanted to build a case on her.

9) 571 was meant to get a reaction from scum pistachi0n and 671 + 672 is just that.

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Reasons for why Pistachi0n is individually scum:

A) She comes into the game after a long while and votes for a claimed Town PR while ignoring two players who have been scummy (536).

B) She wants FA lynched because scums could leave her alive to screw with us, and wants a cop on her if she is not lynched (539). Not only is she trying to get rid of a info based Town PR, but is trying to get other info roles to target her instead.

C) She was pressured and nervous when Postie (who she has called a sheep in 536 questions her), and says that 'FA surviving would not clear her' when no one brought that topic up. Which implies that she is thinking that FA will not die in the night. How can she know that for sure?

I am sure there are lots of scummy people in the game that FA can track if her claim is true. Then in that case if she is town, she is more likely to be killed than not. Unless the scums have a role that can stop her from tracking. And it seems pistachi0n is aware of a scum role blocker, or wants to lynch FA instead because such a role doesn't exist with the scums. Eitherway she has more info and is nervous and pressured because of that. Otherwise why would you be pressured by a player who you think is a sheep?

D) After I pointed this out, instead of agreeing that she looked scummy and that she still thinks FA is scum (or votes for one of the major wagons). Which Imo a town pistachi0n would have done. She votes for me?
Like this is the height of scumminess!

E) If you check her ISO, you will see that she voted for BlueTrin in RVS, then voted me for a reason that was already answered in the game (121), then she supported n_n, asked about my meta, talked about n_n being replaced, and then comes back and votes for FA after saying that I don't have lurker paranoia. The Irony!

F) She has been actively lurking this game, and none of her posts have any original content or an assertive voice.

Thus pistachi0n is scum with either LovelyGiant or Creature or Both. Aka she is definitely scum.

VOTE: pistachi0n for good measure.

This is an inventive case. In a good way... I think.

Though I'm not sure why you need to derail us to pistachio if you think lovely is probably scum too. Seems unnecessary at best, scummy at worst.

yeah, this is scum

[Antihero]

he started off voting lovelygiant until the wagon actually got steam and his l-2, at which point he unvoted "for other people to weigh in" and then he started on the pistachion track.

i.e. he bussed when it didn't matter and didn't bus when it did matter

while he was bussing he also made sure to tie in several townies (me, lowell, guy) as part of his "case"

[Antihero]

your argument is "anti kept fa alive b/c he thought he could get her mislynched"

substantiate on that

IN ADDITION

if there was ANYONE that was buddy-buddy w/ fa and was probably secure in her not tracking him, it's gale

[Antihero]

look again on chilled tea , anti hero and pits when I was gone !

yeah, i totally had lots of reason to keep fa alive

you want to keep selling that buddy or do you want to try a different angle?

i mean... me seeming to take postie's side on day 2 would be a better angle but you just reached straight for the bullshit.

[Lowell]

Not really caught up, but it's probably gale.

You know, like I've been saying the whole time while people think of me as dumb enough to keep FA alive as scum. And no I'm never getting over this.

[Antihero]

i'm probably not going to be here tomorrow b/c holiday fun stuff.

can't wait to see what rube goldberg-esque thing gale pulls out next but that'll have to wait until i get back.

[Gale Wing Srock]

Its evident in who is being logical and who is trying to manipulate. My case on Pista was explained pretty clearly that it came out of our pursuit of the LovelyGiant wagon. And I admit that I was wrong, but Pista was scummy af. Iirc, you were town reading LovelyGiant right?

Imo, lets wait for BlueTrin, because I am thinking that you are doing all this to get me mislynched before BlueTrin.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Gale

Okay that post stunk, that moved entirely out the realm of quirky Gale tm and in to survivalism