Yeah... mafia doctor and town doctor both make very very little sense (assuming RC is town and not BSing). If there's a scum doctor and a town jk that makes the vig oddly weak. Town doctor + town jk + 1-shot vig + town rolecop seems like a lot, although I guess it's possible if scum is strong or has roles like a tracker or a jk of their own or something like that although again jk would make the vig really weak.
On the other hand if RC is scum and there's a town doctor that seems pretty decently balanced. Town doctor synergizes nicely with the 1-shot vig because they can protect them after they're outed (especially since the jailkeeper is limited although 3 shots is a lot). There's been a recent trend (or at least it feels like it) that rolecops have been more town than scum, and it's possible RC could be trying to gain cred from confirming himself as a rolecop in this way, or making it so that he's able to kill the doctor tonight with impunity and still claim rolecop. I could imagine RC doing something like that.
Idk, I guess it could make sense either way contingent on what else we see claimed.
@Rask: I'm actually surprised how little I've drawn scum looking back. I assume the one game you found was ffery's, which to be fair is actually probably a pretty good example of me as scum. I'd imagine it'd be close to how I'd play as scum these days. I remember liking the approach I had to that game.
We're at another one of those awkward we-can't-really-do-much points in a way again, though. Nino hasn't posted for 4 and a half days, Rubixxx is replacing out. Idk. I might just wait for massclaim to finish before trying to solidify reads. But the rolecop claim is good food for thought.
RC, did you crumb? Do you have a history of crumbing when you roll PR? If no and yes, why? You strike me as the kind of player who would although idk if you would just not because you die early a lot.
The way RC is claiming is also interesting. Actually it seems more likely to be the latter; if RC were a town rolecop with a doctor result there's like no reason at all not to wait and see if they claim. A scum doctor would likely not claim doctor so them claiming doctor would lend credence. Now if RC is town, with a result on a scum doctor, they get to claim their role for free. This is like god-awful play if RC is town. You wait if you have an investigative or possibly contradicting result to see if someone contradicts it. Like the last game I played where I was a town rb and blocked the last scum but still waited for them to claim just in case I could get a tiny bit of extra information that would matter.
This seems much more like the second paragraph of my last post. It seems extremely likely that RC is scum trying to gain cred by claiming before the doctor does, so that RC can claim rolecop, get role confirmation, and kill the publicly outed doctor tonight and then nino the next night.
I agree with you that it's definitely strange though I'm not certain of the necessity of this as a scum play either.
GR, myself and syndesis are all extremely lynchable, and I'd expect either a bus onto one of them or a rather easy mislynch onto myself in this situation; with the AFKs I don't think scum are particularly threatened here.
Claiming rolecop with this doctor find does allow a potential lynch onto the doctor but at this point from the scum perspective the doctor doesn't have much to protect anyways, furthermore if they wanted the doctor dead they could just NK them. Challenging the doctor is somewhat bold because of the rarity of scum-doc, furthermore it wouldn't look good for RC himself if the doctor flips town.
I really just see unnecessary risk here; in this situation with so many roles having a rolecop claim as scum doesn't actually seem to provide utility.
It's also annoying because its a distraction when things were getting interesting.
In post 1535, implosion wrote:The way RC is claiming is also interesting. Actually it seems more likely to be the latter; if RC were a town rolecop with a doctor result there's like no reason at all not to wait and see if they claim. A scum doctor would likely not claim doctor so them claiming doctor would lend credence. Now if RC is town, with a result on a scum doctor, they get to claim their role for free. This is like god-awful play if RC is town. You wait if you have an investigative or possibly contradicting result to see if someone contradicts it. Like the last game I played where I was a town rb and blocked the last scum but still waited for them to claim just in case I could get a tiny bit of extra information that would matter.
Unfortunately enough I have to discount this as well. Not doing things by the book is in this case nai
As far as I can tell that jump off is to appease Gif who put him to L-2: a reaction (self-preservation) to the wagon rather than your pressure specifically. RC didn't explain his vote until afterwards and Gif's looked frivolous so your vote was the only one there explained so it would be fair to say your vote influenced him more than the others though.
It definitely is self-preservation how he goes on me after GiF suggests his willingness for (me, rubixxx) and you also on the wagon have me for a scumread, but wanting to stay alive isn't AI and I would do the same. It is bad he never really justified the vote though he's not justifying any of them all that much (I'll have to meta?). In isolation the vote change itself isn't bad since the wagon on you didn't seem to go anywhere and I looked more promising, but without ever explaining what the vote was for to begin with he never actually committed to it, in other words the change isn't bad itself but makes the original vote worse.
Personally I think GR himself has been mediocre, with the low commitment/wishy-washy nature, and entrance I disliked (exaggeration). His push on me I have trouble judging but it definitely makes me value his life less if he's going to make it him vs me. Since he doesn't actually say much I assume his votes on us were for our lurky/strange play which is 'valid' but he gets 0 points for insight or depth of thought for it. There's no smoking gun though and the only thing that gives me some reassurance here is townreads elsewhere plus his predecessors SB/TG's disgusting play.
If syndesis was scum doctor I think this somewhat legitimate conflict with GR is good for GR, alternatively town doctor syndesis has the too many PRs problem and is bad for both GR(conflicit/poe) and RC (too many roles).
