(1765) Star Wars: The Force Awakens [D5]

[Venmar]

Only person I think is town is Trollie. Everybody else is fair game in my eyes, including wolf.

[Venmar]

I think the Gork kill does point to Eagle being not-town, since Gork was leaning on thinking Keyser was town and was leaning on Eagle being scum.

[Venmar]

Also, since I think all of your map abilities suck ass, I would like my map back for that second census if there is another day after this.

[Venmar]

I kind of just want to get this game over with honestly at this point, it's hurting my brain. From my point of view, since only three of us are town, and I know I am town, and I think Trollie is town, a lynch our of wolf/key/eagle has a 66% chance of being a non-town lynch! If we are to take Wolf's claim at full-face value, then a lynch between key and eagle should have a 100% success rate on lynching someone who isn't town!

We lose if we don't lynch a non-town so idk.

Also, my case on Snarky using aero and camn interactions looks stupid af now but what can ya do.

[TheTrollie]

Yeah i need to like sit down with this. Think I agree with wolf on lynching key unfortunately

[Venmar]

what

[Keyser Söze]

I'll be online tonight or tomorrow morning.

[TheLoneWolf]

Busy packing and moving .


I understand your resistance to trusting me Venmar but there's a big difference between safe claims and confirmed roles. I'm confirmed as a neighbor and that's helluva lot better than Key/Eagle

[TheTrollie]

V/LA until Friday

[TheTrollie]

For what its worth, i DO NOT think Wolf's claim/neighbor verification has any weight in his being town. Every time he brings it up I actually get even more suspicious of him.

[TheLoneWolf]

K however you want to be paranoid Trollie...

You do realize if I was scum and CONFIRMED TOWN AMEIHEAENZ called me confirmed town I could've fabricated a much better story to show why he thought I was town.

Instead I went with the truth, which isn't always as pretty but shines through if you have clarity.


But all that aside,

Look who hasn't posted his promised content because its takes a lot more effort for scum to do that sort of thing

Vote: Keyser

I'm set.

[TheLoneWolf]

and I wasn't bringing up the verification again, just the face that I'm role confirmed as a neighbor.

[Keyser Söze]

because its takes a lot more effort for scum to do that sort of thing

Effort is not alignment indicative.

I told you I would catch up soon - I don't give a f**k what alignment you are right now,

but just unvote now please

. This could be LYLO.


I will address your flimsy night action speculation and weak role confirmation plea (which has nothing to do with alignmnet, you were not town masons) - as soon as I get home.

However, I cannot believe you voted. You haven't even heard what Venmar, Eagle and my slot has to say with 10 days left to deadline. If you are town you will be miss-lynched tomorrow (if there is a tomorrow).

[TheTrollie]

wait wolf unvote now

[TheTrollie]

i need u to wait to vote until i can get back on here and post again.

[TheTrollie]

I promise I have a reason

[TheTrollie]

CLARIFICATION:
LoneWolf still has to unvote, this post is not the post I am referring to above which I need to write before any votes are placed today
this is just a bit of catch up

Also we know that Key Town/Eagle Scum is NOT a possibility because Keyser claimed a result and was therefore not roleblocked.

I also dont get this

sorry...long night, so maybe I'm just not all here today

Ok So....

If Eagle is Scum then he is a roleblocker right?

IF Eagle scum is a roleblocker who does it make the most sense for him to roleblock if he's going to leave them alive?

The Watcher. He's the only person alive with an active ability that can catch scum, and there were no claimed protective roles that needed to be blocked either.

Keyser did NOT claim to be roleblocked.

Therefore, if Eagle is scum, then Keyser HAS to be as well.

But this is pointless to elaborate on because you believe Eagle's claim bc of flavor.

Eagle does not have to be roleblocker if scum, no. That being said...him being RB does answer this:

To be honest I still don't know what the hell the missing kill is about.

I almost want to say that the scum had a double NK power one night, because there's no evidence of Sk besides. It might be just some weird survivor or flavor 3rd party that has niche win conditions.

If there are two kills still going out and they both killed Gork, yeah BS.

I can see scum killing Gork thinking hes a SK

But the SK wouldn't shoot Gork no way.

Also are we ever going to claim map movement? Seems like that mechanic has done jackall

N1
AERO shoots TAILS
SK shoots AMIHAN

N2
CAMN gets RBd and cannot kill
GORK shoots CAMN
SK shoots RADIANT COWBELLS

N3
SK shoots GORK

Above assumes (a) Eagle is town and roleblocker (b) there is no 3rd mafia member (or at least not one that can use the factional kill), unless SK and that mafia member both shot gork last night which makes no sense

Heres the thing, I am not sure about (a) or (b)

If Venmar is right/telling the truth about the 5 scum then we have 2 scum left. For the above to be right only one of those can be a killing role.

Its i guess possible also that SK and CAMN both shot RC night 2.

Also, since I think all of your map abilities suck ass, I would like my map back for that second census if there is another day after this.

You want your map back? are you suggesting you've had it before?

also I want to bring back my point about the # of investigative roles claimed
me cop
RC tracker

does a key watcher in addition seem weird to ayone else?

[Keyser Söze]

Which SCUM pairings make sense to kill Gorkington?

This is already a non-argument. Scum are not found based on what scum pairings make the most sense. It would be an easy game otherwise. Let's just lynch the scummiest player. Your motivation to point our attention/focus to only this (instead of concentrating on both day/night phase play) is tactically short-sighted. I have seen many town miss-lynched based on flimsy night action speculation.

The two most POWERFUL ROLES-Watcher and roleblocker are the only kills that make sense because night play is important.

I agree that mine and Eagle's active power roles are the most important/dangerous to scum. But scum/SK could have a ninja-power to counter the tracker/watcher powers (the same way the cop had counter-powers to weaken it) but again this is a speculation.

LoneWolf+EAgle (since you can't implicate yourself) has to kill YOU Keyser, right? OR at least roleblock you. But neither happened.

I know what I am. I do not know what Eagle is. He may not even be a roleblocker. Him not roleblocking me does not mean I have to be scum. All we have seen is him 'roleblock' players who have died/non-active powers. Thus, no active/alive proof.

Eagle+Keyser- the two powerful roles- get to choose who to kill. On the offchance Gorkginton's map ability gave him another kill or something, thats the kill that makes sense.

We do not know why Gorkington was killed. Even if he was a 2 or 3 shot vig I doubt he would have targeted me, so this is unsupported paranoia.

Also Keyser has been soft pushign Venmar as confirmed town ebcause of census ability since yesterday and watching him for less than plausible reasons over obvious watch targets. Keyser's N2 Watch is in particularly questionable.

Is Venmar scum, LoneWolf? I am 'pushing' no one as "confirmed town". I am expressing why I think Venmar is town. The only confirmation bias/confirmed town pushing I see is your buddying with the Trollie slot and your attempt to use your neighbour role to confirm you as town. You pushing it as a trump card this late is laughable. It didn't mean s**t 3 days ago, and it doesn't mean s**t now - if it did, in my eyes scum would have killed you already - thus, you're still in my uncomfortable pile.

No way they let a Watcher live who could force a 1v1 situation in LyLo. No way they would give him free information.

Never rule out the impossible. Scum make calculated risks and decisions to make sure the focus is not on them the following day-phase.

His claim is also the shoddiest given his watch targets. Even his result on camn visiting RC screams inside info of what the scumteam actually has been doing with their Powers that haven't been reavealed.

Read the D2 day-phase, due to The Trollies' guilty result and my investigations on camn via RC's slot destroyed my town-read of camn. That was town-me working on the information infront of me. Not scum-me protecting camn. This is not "inside info" - I have been very clear with my thoughts/feelings in the day-phase.

also I want to bring back my point about the # of investigative roles claimed
me cop
RC tracker

does a key watcher in addition seem weird to ayone else?

I would expect usually two investigation roles in a normal set-up, but with 5 possible scum versus 8 townies, I expected an over-powered town.


Note:
The tracker/watcher had limited shots.
The cop could only investigate KyloRen/Snoke(?)
The doctor was miller.
We had a hated townie.

All roles with limitations.


Be online later.

[Venmar]

You want your map back? are you suggesting you've had it before?

Yes, I started the game with the map (I'm a role that in a way has a "map" of the setup afterall) and gave it to you N1.

Just caught up; leaning on Trollie being in the right here,

@TheTrollie

- Can you perform the role you performed last night every single night?

This post is me trying to as softly as possible discern on D2 if your power was the result of you performing a map boosted ability from me or not.

[xRECKONERx]

Venmar
TheTrollie
Extrapolated Eagle
TheLoneWolf
Keyser Söze (1): TheLoneWolf

Not Voting: Venmar, TheTrollie, Extrapolated Eagle, Keyser Söze

3 to lynch.
Deadline is (expired on 2016-03-31 12:00:00)

[TheTrollie]

wolf needs to unvote key now

all but eagle has posed since the vote btw

[TheTrollie]

oh btw reason is i was roleblocked last night

[Venmar]

sigh

you expect me to believe that you just realized that and haven't revealed that until now why?

[TheTrollie]

because I'm an idiot who hasn't played MS in years and I didn't remember that a cop gets a specific "not guilty" result/pm when investigating someone who doesn't register as guilty as per the investigation...

I had to look at the wiki to figure that out. *facepalm*

[TheTrollie]

i.e. i got "no result" and just assumed that meant my investigation of Eagle was that he wasn't Snoke or Kylo