Chaos Diplomacy FINISHED! Who were the survivors?

[Snakes]

TBO anything i can do to convince you to let me take holland next year?

If this happens, how would you feel about me following you into Belgium? You can't get a build from it anyway if you pass through in Spring, and the medagree being so aggressive without stating their intentions towards me is making me nervous.

[OhGodMyLife]

Brits + STD, I suggest you stop trying to flee into new centers while giving up your homelands, and instead turn and defend yourselves against the MedAgree.

[Drench]

No, I wasn't trying to convoy you. I just wanted a cool move like everyone else to do. (I should have submitted StP to Tunis or something)
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i use only the best pl8s

[Save The Dragons]

My expectation of giving up my homeland was to get 2 centers, not to just keep relocating. I am concerned because I need to vacate one of the territories to gain the 2 units and if Holland is more defendable than Belgium is at the end of next years fall then I'm okay with that but if not I'm a little concerned.

[ActionDan]

Crap Defender didn't move into GAS... now we have no way to pressure Medagree for being so aggressive. Whats worse, Mist still managed to get into Bul without support.

Check the moves - D3f supported mist's army from Mar. Which might turn out to have been actual suicide.

Yeah, I don't understand why he did that? But he did!

So Ani, what do you want to do this round? You could support me into Paris and we can both gain a supply center. Plus, there's nothing that anybody can really do to stop us.

That works for me.

Snakes is just going to cut support

[Shadoweh]

Geez so paranoid. I mean if you don't want to be greedy it's true that no one's going to stop a support of JDGA into Trieste.
Aronis is on our side, he doesn't have to worry about us. :p Hard to say what he should do though, as a convoy I'm not sure how he can help the italians if they're trying to go higher. Dan can sort that out for them.

[Randomnamechange]

Can someone support me into Sweden?

[Mist7676]

Crap Defender didn't move into GAS... now we have no way to pressure Medagree for being so aggressive. Whats worse, Mist still managed to get into Bul without support.

Check the moves - D3f supported mist's army from Mar. Which might turn out to have been actual suicide.

Yeah, I don't understand why he did that? But he did!

So Ani, what do you want to do this round? You could support me into Paris and we can both gain a supply center. Plus, there's nothing that anybody can really do to stop us.

That works for me.

Snakes is just going to cut support

How? If he tries to move to Ani's space, he'll just bounce back.

[Lokiben]

Crap Defender didn't move into GAS... now we have no way to pressure Medagree for being so aggressive. Whats worse, Mist still managed to get into Bul without support.

Check the moves - D3f supported mist's army from Mar. Which might turn out to have been actual suicide.

Yeah, I don't understand why he did that? But he did!

So Ani, what do you want to do this round? You could support me into Paris and we can both gain a supply center. Plus, there's nothing that anybody can really do to stop us.

If you two go through with this, I can move into Brest and bounce out Liverpool if they try anything.

[OhGodMyLife]

Quick lesson on support: in order to support a move into a space, the supporting unit must legally be able to move there itself. ani can support mist into Par because ani's unit can move into Par, but if ani had a fleet rather than an army this move would be illegal. Support can be CUT if somebody attacks the supporting unit - even if the attack is unsuccessful. Snakes' fleet in the channel could attack Brest alone, bounce back to the channel, and still cut off the support from Bre for mist's move to Par.

So unfortunately there is no one in range to support Midget's move to Swe (except Gale, but LOL) because no one else has any units that could themselves try to move to Swe this turn. Despite this, you should still try to move home to Swe. The most Gale can do is bounce you again, but he has bigger fish to fry this turn if he is going to support the defense of StP. TBO could order his fleet to attack Nor 1v1 and CUT this support, despite the fact that he won't actually capture Nor.

Snakes, some unsolicited advice for you: it is time to cut your losses for the time being in France and immediately move homeward. Lokiben's fleet is one space away from threatening your home center. If you don't get yourself in position, he will capture it unopposed next year.

[animorpherv1]

OGML has a point - I think I'm going to be forced int a Hold this turn, Mist. You'll probably have better luck a bit farther North?

[OhGodMyLife]

OGML has a point - I think I'm going to be forced int a Hold this turn, Mist. You'll probably have better luck a bit farther North?

Snakes can't dislodge you by himself, even if you are supporting, he can only cut the support.

[animorpherv1]

OGML has a point - I think I'm going to be forced int a Hold this turn, Mist. You'll probably have better luck a bit farther North?

Snakes can't dislodge you by himself, even if you are supporting, he can only cut the support.

I don't want to risk it, honestly.

[Mist7676]

If Snakes decides to cut off support, Loki could just move into the Irish Sea and threaten his home center. OGML is right, Snakes should move back to save his own skin because he's moving too far away from his center. It's best for us to take Paris now rather than later. We're in the fall so we'll have a build phase right after to pressure others. If we lose this opportunity now, we give Germany or Britain time to mobilize.

[OhGodMyLife]

OGML has a point - I think I'm going to be forced int a Hold this turn, Mist. You'll probably have better luck a bit farther North?

Snakes can't dislodge you by himself, even if you are supporting, he can only cut the support.

I don't want to risk it, honestly.

Risk what? Do you understand how the rules work? Whether you order a hold or support, your unit will defend at 1 strength with no other units supporting. Snakes will attack at 1 with no other units supporting. You do not get dislodged either way. The only person in position to support an attack against Brest would be Loki, and in that extremely unlikely scenario (unless Snakes wants to, IDK, start negotiating with people instead of waiting for his alliance to serve him up a center on a silver platter) then 2 strength against your 1 strength will dislodge you whether your order is hold or support.

[Mist7676]

OGML has a point - I think I'm going to be forced int a Hold this turn, Mist. You'll probably have better luck a bit farther North?

Snakes can't dislodge you by himself, even if you are supporting, he can only cut the support.

I don't want to risk it, honestly.

Risk what? Do you understand how the rules work? Whether you order a hold or support, your unit will defend at 1 strength with no other units supporting. Snakes will attack at 1 with no other units supporting. You do not get dislodged either way. The only person in position to support an attack against Brest would be Loki, and in that extremely unlikely scenario (unless Snakes wants to, IDK, start negotiating with people instead of waiting for his alliance to serve him up a center on a silver platter) then 2 strength against your 1 strength will dislodge you whether your order is hold or support.

i.e. there's no risk, and you put us in a better position for the next year.

[OhGodMyLife]

Sorry, actually, I made an oversight there - D3f3nd3r could theoretically support Snakes into Brest. Once again, whether your order is hold or support, you will defend at the same 1 strength and be dislodged.

D3f, you should poke your head in here long enough to talk to Snakes. This is the order you would input to support Snakes into Bre:
A Par S F ECH -> Bre

That's actually probably the best move for the Northern Alliance as a whole.

[OhGodMyLife]

Loki could support Ani's defense to bounce Snakes[D3f supporting] but that stalls his forward progress completely.

He could also turn around and occupy Spain and ani would be eliminated altogether.

[Snakes]

Hold up, I never committed to attacking Brest, people are just assuming they know what move I'm going to do.

Lokiben,

we have a nonaggression pact. I hope you'll honor that.

Ani,

where is your head at? You have loyalties towards the medagree but the Northern Alliance did agree that you should get Brest.

[Shadoweh]

It's like watching a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off.
You guys spend so much time worrying about whether you'll get backstabbed that you get nothing done!

[D3f3nd3r]

Yeah I'll do that and support whoever goes into Brest.

I'll wait to submit so you guys can decide who will move there.

[animorpherv1]

Ani,

where is your head at? You have loyalties towards the medagree but the Northern Alliance did agree that you should get Brest.

Honestly, I'd like to hold out from any shenanigans in the fall. I'd like to keep my center.

[Zulfy]

I'm off to Tyrol

[N]

sorry guys I fell behind reading this thread. what's the haps?

[Lokiben]

Either ani and D3f swap locations, or they stay put along with Mist and Snakes, regardless of whether or not I intervene. My lone fleet is going to be pretty ineffective by itself if I move North.

For Mist and ani, how does this sound?

1. I move my fleet into Gascony. This way, I can support the two of you regardless if ani ends this year in Paris or Brest.

2. Next year, the two of you support me next year to move into wherever D3f ends up. I nominate myself for moving into this territory, partly for selfish reasons, and also because if I leave my fleet in Gascony, I'll cut ani's newly spawned unit off (ani could spawn a fleet to take the mao, but then my latest fleet would be cut off).

3. Mist decides if we're going to continue north or turn east by moving her old army somewhere. Her new army slides into Burgundy as the old one moves out.