Mini 1776: Evolution Mafia (Game Over)

[Shiro]

Man catching up I saw like 3 request for my participation, what is up with that?

Not gonna lie guys from all my games this game is drawing me the least.

But I will not let that hold me down because only through force of will evolution can be achieved.

Ok I remember someone asking if I answered to my wagon, my answer is, COME ON.... I have 4 posts, the 4th one is me answering Anti. How hard would it be to find it.

I am a bit iffy about that privatly thing hiplop said but he looks pretty town so meh. It makes no sense to be a slip anyway, dunno why people are scumreading him.

I think max is scum I am geting that same feeling again when I read his posts from the hydra.

Never seen a miller claim be scum so far sooo will not be bothering looking there.

i don't like Sir.Cakez either.

Vote:SirCakez

That hiplop vote was really eh, him saying his role might be a joke is eh,trying ot pressure people with the antimutagen vote is eh. Alll around not getting town vibes.

[hiplop]

VOTE: sir cakez
I provide a game winning plan, outline scumreads and put town in a better position, actually. You bumbling fool, get on my level.

and I want to know what possible mod clarification was needed. That is not asking already answered questions, sircakez? Confirmed not reading my posts.

[lane0168]

@Hiplop: I thought you were a hydra in this game?

@Lane: I dropped the pressure for now because it was going nowhere. Hellhound literally shut down. I wanted to recoup with my other head and avoid just tunneling, y'know? It's important to spend D1 looking at everyone.

-V

But you had no better place to put your vote. That's the part I find shady. So hellhound is still your number 1 scumread?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: sir cakez
I provide a game winning plan, outline scumreads and put town in a better position, actually. You bumbling fool, get on my level.

and I want to know what possible mod clarification was needed. That is not asking already answered questions, sircakez? Confirmed not reading my posts.

The "why did you take so long to claim Miller" was already asked.
And this is basically OMGUS lol.

[Edgar Allan Pro]

But you had no better place to put your vote. That's the part I find shady. So hellhound is still your number 1 scumread?

I had other places to put it, but wanted to talk to my other head before doing so and then coming back to him shuffling it around again.
Yes, Hellhound is still my most informed and highest scum-read. I'm hoping I can suss out why other people are town reading him, because I'm still unsure of it. Most people seem to have bought into Anti's backing out, but I just see that as an appeal to emotion after being backed in a relative corner.

-V

[Edgar Allan Pro]

That said, my other head also isn't that sold on Hellhound. Last I heard from him, he really wanted more info from people that were skirting by, such as Lane, Shiro, and Heat. He said he doesn't want to push people that are replacing out or on V/LA, though, since we've got such a small day phase it would be a waste of time as far as whatever info we'd see from it. The other night, he hit me with "I wanna vote Shiro and AM Lane. You have 10 minutes to stop me." Such is our scandalous relationship.

Furthermore, he's not really sure why I see Hellhound as a viable wagon, and the problem is that I don't. Getting a lynch out on Hellhound would probably only happen at deadline, given the reads people have on him. There's at least two scum in this game, I figure, so I decided I'd look elsewhere and get a better gauge on the whole of the game rather than entrenching myself against something that probably won't happen today.

As a note, Not!Varsoon also wanted to pressure Icerint before catching up and seeing the Miller claim. Guess we got the same vibe from the slot, but I feel like the Miller claim is pretty genuine.

-V

[SirCakez]

That hiplop vote was really eh, him saying his role might be a joke is eh,trying ot pressure people with the antimutagen vote is eh. Alll around not getting town vibes.

Eh? What does eh mean?
And are you really scumreading me for having a joke role?

[Specter Deflectors]

this is a fluid read but I think it's better than the shiro read but i am expecting shiro to actually get in the thread and do shit.
VOTE: hiplop

ep. do you agree with my plan y/n

I don't understand how it will work. People will have conflicting ideas as to who should be on the lynch wagon and who should be lynched.

this is a bad push. I mean give people a chance to actually catch up. Never know what ppl are going through. If this continues much longer, yea, eat rope. But for now these two horrible pushes are not looking great for you

although i do agree with this.

VOTE: Hiplop
His posts on the last two pages are pretty bad. Asking already answered questions, shooting down vote analysis, fluffing, etc

why is any of this scummy

i think 500 merits a vote but i will discuss with maxwellpuckett.
for now VOTE: shiro
my hiplop read is still there but not as strong.

-EP

[hiplop]

I don't understand how it will work. People will have conflicting ideas as to who should be on the lynch wagon and who should be lynched.

priority voting

[hiplop]

The "why did you take so long to claim Miller" was already asked.

READ MY FUCKING POSTS

I ASKED WHAT MOD CLARIFICATION HE NEEDED

[Shiro]

eh means I do not like them SirCakez

[SirCakez]

I think I know almost none of the players in this game.

It's a strange feeling.

you know me. Also, why did you wait so late to claim miller? Not sure thats a scummy thing to do, but yea

How is this related to mod clarification?
Shiro what is "eh" about saying I have a joke role or pressuring people with the AM vote?

[Shiro]

That I find it weird. It doesn't really add up because mine is also scientific in type. It appears most peoples are.

[hiplop]

what was the nature of mod clarification, I mean

and no hydra just me. How would you like to admire me today varsy

[Iecerint]

I obviously would have spelled it out if I thought it needed to be spelled out.

[lane0168]

Sircakez cherry picking hiplop, 3 posts down he explains why he asked it. Not scummy at all.

I'm still thinking sircakez is scum. In case I haven't made myself clear

[SirCakez]

what was the nature of mod clarification, I mean

and no hydra just me. How would you like to admire me today varsy

This was after the question was asked in the first place
Ice made his facepalm post then you said this
So yes the initial question was already asked

[Hellhound]

firebringer thinks i'm just emotional and omgusing, but i'm pretty certainty that varsoon is scum here

i also think that last shiro post was kinda' scummy but i'll see what firebringer wants to do

[Hellhound]

he's doing a pretty good job of smooth talking, but if you look at his iso about 90% of it is varsoon talking out his ass and jumping on things in an insanely opportunistic way.

[Hellhound]

for example, you think it was any accident he jumped in on pushing me RIGHT as i was having my meltdown?

i don't. not for a second.

[SirCakez]

Should I flavorclaim? Like everyone else apparently has scientific roles and this is really bizarre so better to clear it up earlier then later.

[Hellhound]

Don't pull that 'erryone is kicking me man feels bad' appeal.
You did open the game with a spooky gif.
Besides, this sounds like scum-caught-for-the-wrong-reasons.
What don't you agree with with regards to how Max, Flubber, and Cakes are pushing you?
Why does it seem like 'getting kicked in the face'? Even I thought your all-caps outburst post was a bit much, mayne.

-V

he jumped in w/ this post after the fact, but all the questions right there he could've easily answered by reading the preceding conversation:

Spoiler:

VOTE: shiro

Hi all, seems like I am a bit late to this evolutionary party.

I am seeing some notes for extinction about Mr.Cakez, can someone brief me?

asking for reasons on an early wagon is already sending up red flags for me, mostly b/c i think in the early game, scum are a lot more likely to feel around and ask for town positions and opinions to be fed to them (as opposed to letting them naturally form on their own)

@Lane TBH I agree with Per that post from flubber was awful. I am calling both of them scum, Cakez went for the jokish bus vote and fell flat. Thoughts ?

this pinged me something fierce. here i'm feeling like shiro is a lot more concerned w/ ingratiating himself to lane and formulating/peddling this narrative that looks good (but is flimsy and doesn't really stand up to much thought) than actually getting the foundation to intuitive and solid reads going

sircakez wagon is probably a red herring

Shiro's post fits a scum painting but i also think this fits a town-that-hasn't-read-the-thread painting. you're saying that it's more likely to fit a scum narrative but i'm not sure how valid of a point that is.

if you don't know why are you saying anything

ok, let's get this out of the way
"[insert any action or "tell" here] can be done BY BOTH TOWN AND SCUM"

i'm not really sure what your point here is besides taking a crap on me

this one i do agree with but do you think that the sircakes scumread is bad coming from people other than shiro or do you think that the specific way that shiro theorized sircakes interactions was bad? does the quality of the "narrative" affect the read in any way?

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh, i don't have a particular problem w/ the way anyone else is pushing sircakez i just dont think it's very compelling or very good or any of them do a good job in explaining the case in a cogent way

this also really isn't something you can dissect down to the nth degree. you kind of either see it or you don't. yeah, the whole "look at teh busssss" angle is pretty strained.

because you still haven't said why [whatever it is you said] -------> scum

you just kind of said it

I'm reading the Cakez thingy now. I want to vote him; those 2 posts were pretty bad, but the last time he did super scummy things and I deathtunneled him he was actually town. So idk if this is the same sort of thing.

is it really "super scummy"?

it's not surprising that ppl are pretty fluid w/ their votes/attitudes/beliefs in the early game so...

i don't really even get it

why should i care about any of this and how is it alignment indicative?

If he wasn't convinced in what persuvial was saying about me, why did he vote me?

>because he wanted to pressure you
>because he just wanted to shamelessly bandwagon
>because his finger slipped

pick one

you want to know why i called it a red herring?

b/c i think most ppl on the wagon are so caught up in OMG LOOKZ ITS A CONTRADICTION I LEARNED THIS IN ACE ATTORNEY and no one's actually trying to connect the dots from "sircakez said this thing" to "sircakez is thinking like scum and therefore probably is scum"

Also I'm not explaining why dissonance is scummy

yeah, you couldn't even if you tried b/c you're using "dissonance" as a buzzword in this context

/sigh

ok well i think this is a good place for me to leave this conversation.

i got baited into this conversation and now max is wanting to turn it around on me like i'm whiteknighting or whatever

seriously, fuck this noise

104 is what actually bothered me. Opinion on that post in particular?

i'm... not getting anything alignment indicative from that post

/shrug

I think their treatment of the Cakez wagon is just reminding me of myself as scum.

you got some short term memory loss

b/c that's like... the most immediate and intuitive thing associated w/ "scummy defense"

PEdit: Bruh I didn't say 'scummy defense' I said 'treatment of the Cakez wagon'

oh my god

if we're really doing this, just fucking kill me now

only if that iced tea comes w/ hefty dose of beta blockers

these are all out of context b/c i just went to our iso and hit the "q+" button for posts that DIRECTLY speak to my opinion on the gamestate but you can click on the links to any of those, read the full conversation and pretty easily follow what happened and figure out 1) what my thought processes reads-wise were and 2) why i was getting frustrated (by the way max, i got frustrated with you mostly b/c it felt like you were nitpicking. probably wasn't all rational but meh, it was a pretty rough week for me.)

varsoon COMPLETELY failed to do any of that though and opted to jump in on the tail-end of the conversation when he thought he could make me look bad. so far, he's given no sign of wanting to develop genuine reads but he has been working pretty hard to spin a coherent narrative and sell the shit out of it.

[Hellhound]

Given the first chance of swinging a counterwagon--when SirCakes was shown to have some vote support, Hellhound went for it.

This is 100% factually wrong

not to mention he straight up lied, got called out on it, and never bothered to retract it and just ignored it

[Heat]

ok i am catching up!! just finished page 4

dont like pers. has a srs vote on flubber and then goes back to RVS it looks like in 98 with a vote on hellhound

gagging

[Heat]

that RVS was way too long imo and that vote only extended it and its just not good