Mafia 70: Traditional - Game over!

[The Fonz]

Fonz: I don't know why but I get scummy vibes off him. Need to look into it more.

FFS, I swear if one more person, in one more game, declares that they get a 'scummy vibe' off me, without having a clue why, I'm going to kill someone.

[ZONEACE]

FFS, I swear if one more person, in one more game, declares that they get a 'scummy vibe' off me, without having a clue why, I'm going to kill someone.

you mean, like tonight, with your night choice?

[The Fonz]

Nice rolefish.

[ZONEACE]

Nice rolefish.

meh, it was worth a shot.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Lemming1607 (1) -- Setael
ZONEACE (1) -- Lemming1607
Flare (2) -- Ether, Erg0
Mastermind of Sin (3) -- Toaster Strudel, Flare, Yamahako
Yamahako (3) -- Simenon, White, Aimee
Sir Tornado (1) -- Mastermind of Sin
White (4) -- ZONEACE, JDodge, Niv, KaleiÐoscøpe
Toaster Strudel (1) -- Beastly

Not Voting: Flameaxe, booboodafool, Sir Tornado, Zeppo, The Venerable Zorg, The Fonz
22 alive, 12 to lynch.

[Simenon]

guys we won't actually get to kill anybody if we can't decide on a lynch.

[Lemming1607]

Fonz: I don't know why but I get scummy vibes off him. Need to look into it more.

FFS, I swear if one more person, in one more game, declares that they get a 'scummy vibe' off me, without having a clue why, I'm going to kill someone.

sorry it's just the truth I'll look at what set it off eventually.

But yeah guys zoneace is still looking pretty good to me

[Toaster Strudel]

TS just blew my mind.

Nominate Erg0 for "Most Easily Impressed."

[Yamahako]

Unvote, Vote ZONEACE

There may be a method to my madness...

[Niv]

I am still around. (Honestally, i forgot I was in this game and wasn't checking the site), will catcup later today

[Toaster Strudel]

Jdodge, can I hear a case against me? Do you have a case against me?

No to the first, yes to the second

Upon further consideration, I am going to trust JDodge, and my own guts, on this one. I don't like White's line of questioning, as I posted earlier, he's trying to sink other players while avoiding compromising himself. JDodge says he has a case? I am going to believe it.

unvote, vote: White

[Mastermind of Sin]

I am pming the mod with a request that Lemming be forceably replaced out of this game. I suggest that you all follow suit. There is no point in playing with someone who insists on playing like a retard and flaming people repeatedly out of immaturity. At least ZONEACE is actually playing the game, even if it's in his style to use AdHom. Lemming is just being immature and annoying as hell. I don't want him in this game anymore.

[Zeppo]

Jdodge, can I hear a case against me? Do you have a case against me?

No to the first, yes to the second

FoS: JDodge

for not stating his case against white.

Unvote, Vote ZONEACE

There may be a method to my madness...

Vote: Yamahako

For constantly spewing out posts like this. See above, if there is a method then state it. The only reason I'm voting for you and not JDodge is that there's already some votes on you so if you aren't scum then hopefully the pressure will squeeze

something

useful out of you.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unvote, Vote: Yamahako

Scum.

Need I say more?

[Zeppo]

There is no point in playing with someone who insists on playing like a retard and flaming people repeatedly out of immaturity. At least ZONEACE is actually playing the game, even if it's in his style to use AdHom. Lemming is just being immature and annoying as hell. I don't want him in this game anymore.

Knock it off zoneace has been flaming far more than Lemming has. And at least lemming's votes didn't contain so much swearing that it actually offended me. There is a rule against excessive profanity and flaming, you're right I would like to see it enforced.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Profanity != Flaming. Lemming is flaming for no reason at all. ZONEACE is using ad hom attacks on people because he's clearly pissed off at how they're acting. He may not be acting the way other people would, but at least it has a reason. Lemming is flaming purely because he gets off at insulting people. That is not playing mafia. No matter how bad you think ZONEACE's play has been, he IS playing the game. You cannot argue against that.

[Mastermind of Sin]

White, here's some games that had me as scum and town:

Scum:
Mafia 61
Jack of All Trades

Town:
Kingmaker II
MAfia 50

[Zeppo]

Profanity != Flaming. Lemming is flaming for no reason at all.

Fine, allow me to amend my quote. Zoneace has been profaning far more than Lemming.

[White]

Feel free to quote them and ask questions.

Sweet, I love it when that happens. Do

you

have any questions or analysis for me, White?

Sure, give me a minute to filter your posts and i'll get back with some questions.

Btw, if someone asks me for input I really don't mind answering them. Attacking me for trying to get conversation started in a non-Zoneace related way isn't scummy.

[White]

That came out wrong. Trying to get conversation flowing that doesn't deal with how Zoneace is playing isn't scummy. Attacking me for it isn't logical.

[Sir Tornado]

I am pming the mod with a request that Lemming be forceably replaced out of this game. I suggest that you all follow suit. There is no point in playing with someone who insists on playing like a retard and flaming people repeatedly out of immaturity. At least ZONEACE is actually playing the game, even if it's in his style to use AdHom. Lemming is just being immature and annoying as hell. I don't want him in this game anymore.

I don't see where lemming is flaming. His recent posts which I see as remotely flames are his posts 519, 521, 523, but I've seen much worse flaming allowed here. I'd ask you to quote, but, it would just lead us off to an unwanted discussion. My point is, that I don't see any reason for Lemming to be replaced forcibly at all.

[Erg0]

I agree.

[Sir Tornado]

Ok, let's break it down into smaller questions:

1. Do you agree that ZONEACE's scumtells are extremely obvious?
2. Do you agree that ZONEACE is an experienced player?
3. Do you agree that ZONEACE is not stupid?

I believe that all of these questions can be answered "yes" with some certainty. Unless you can come up with another factor that I'm missing, the logical conclusion is that ZONEACE is aware of what he's doing. WIFOM applies to questions of motivation, whereas these are questions that can be answered definitively based on available facts.

I agree with this post. I think point 1 and 2 are indeed correct, while I am not sure on whether ZONEACE is stupid or not, although is is probably not. What I am sure of is that ZONEACE does not play Very well as townie (probably Intentionally) which is why I think whatever he is doing in this Game is a null tell right now.

Having said that, always playing like an very idiotic person and inviting suspicion on you the way ZONEACE is doing does have it's advantages -- a real scum tell, if dropped tends to be disregarded. He's on my list of players who should not be allowed to live until end game.

[Yamahako]

Unvote, Vote: Yamahako

Scum.

Need I say more?

If you don't need to... I shouldn't need to...

[Sir Tornado]

Zoneace, what do you think of: Sir T, MoS, Yamahako and a special question for you: how do you think you've played this game? As good as you normally do?

Answer this please ZONEACE.

White: What do you think about all the people voting for you right now?