Important note
: I wrote this post as white/BT made their posts which are now above this. White more or less confirmed what I said about him, and billy is making a presence which is most welcome. I look forward to trying to straighten this out tonight/tomorrow. I haven't modified this post too much because it's just too extensive. Gave BT credit for being busy.
Mod Note: Due to a counting error, the majority of the majority is 4 votes. Not 3 votes. At this point in time, there is NO LYNCH.
I feel much better now
Interesting three way tie, then.
Yosarian2 wrote:In case that wasn't clear, I would like you to lay out a case why one of the other possible mafia goon suspects would be a better lynch then you, Shteven.
I think it may be more generally useful for me to post thoughts on all players in the event of getting a 4th vote or being NK'ed.
1. Shteven.
I am a townie. Lynching me would be dangerous from a pure numerical standpoint, but I also feel that you'd get more information from my death if I'm night killed tonight. I also am quite curious what my chances of surviving the night are. Being close to lynched generally helps with survival, so they may be pretty good.
2. MrBuddyLee (MBL)
Recieved a lot of pressure for talking about the SK, but I'm not convinced that this makes him one. It may be useful cover for mafia, and he still has a decent chance of being scum, but I'm by no means calling him a certain SK.
5. The Central Scrutinizer (TCS)
Scum through and through. Most likely the godfather. He hasn't really done much to hunt scum. About the only lynch I can think of him trying to push was Glork's - ironically one of the reasons I gave him a break for so long. He has been vote hopping and scheming the entire game. Examples of needing to be the hammer vote, or when he asked if he'd be more likely to survive by defending himself or not defending himself (and as attention to him died down, he eventually went with not defending himself). Seems to be getting away with murder imho.
6.CrashTextDummie
Inhim was hard to get a read on, or perhaps I wasn't paying close enough attention. In the end, I liked inhim well enough and CTD's summaries have sounded honest to me. He's raised suspicions of me but I don't feel they are motived by a hidden agenda, and I think I've addressed them. Or at least some of them.
9. Kinetic
Kinetic I'm much less sure about. His posts certainly seem more serious than BM's, but I don't really feel good about him. It's a rather ironic situation, really. We have a mutual distrust, but both feel that TCS is scum, and so it comes down to who do you distrust more. Mafia is such a positive game
I think the main reason he's not voting TCS is because he feels that there's too much scum on it. I heartily encourage you to get on TCS kinetic, I am not scum.
12. Glork
I previously gave him 70/30 on being cop/SK, and that's still about right. Mafia would be looking to kill the SK, after all. His willingness to vote for me without putting up a case makes it look very much like he's willing to hide on a popular lynch that seems reasonable enough to get another townie hung. This is SK behavior.
Of course, being doctor protected from mafia nearly eliminates him from being mafia, so most people have simply moved him immediately to town. This does bother me somewhat, as he could still be SK. I suppose talking like a cop worked better than bread crumbing doctor in this game.
15. Billy Twilight
Billy's is the vote on me that troubles me the most. Perhaps I should have appealed to his reason, for I still believe him to be town. Billy, have any of the recent pages changed your mind about voting for me? He has been pretty silent since voting for me, which is a major concern. Updated note: This is due to work issues, but it still concerns me.
16. Jack 16. White
I never liked Jack's short posting style; I have trouble getting information from such short posts. As such, it felt like he was hiding. White's read through strikes me as genuine. And I'll certainly admit (I'd think it's obvious) that I like people who are voting TCS. That's just natural, imho.
17. Rougeben
I do feel that YB was town, and rogue's been pretty clean since. Rogueben and white both share the thoughts that I looked scummy on read through, but then that it cleared up looking back. I'm wondering if this is due to Glork's reputation/arguments against me. Ie, if I'd been outmaneuvered early game, or if I'm just not as good at playing townie as I should be yet. I thought I did a pretty good job, but as a few people agree on this point, I'll take note of that. That said, he has updated his suspects, and is also voting TCS, so I'm fond of that.
18. Nik Zero 18. Yosarian2
Yosarian feels very pro-town to me. Perhaps he's not leading much scum hunting, but he's come in as the voice of reason a few times. I appreciate the honesty of someone who can both believe me to the be the mafia goon and still point out that Glork isn't making any case against me. If he was looking for an easy lynch, he's already got one, and he hasn't jumped on.
Notes on my current wagon:
The three people who are voting for me all seem wrong for different reasons. First, TCS is scum, and would love to kill another townie. That's pretty self-explanatory from my POV.
Glork on the other hand is a bit harder to read. If he's the cop, then I think he's just overconfident on a read. I find it very odd that he never investigated me, yet is now certain that I'm the mafia goon (instead of godfather why?). If he's so certain, why not investigate me? We've been attacking each other since the start of the game. This is one of the reasons why I feel like the possibility of him being the SK is still high. His innocent results are easy to fake with only one player being possibly guilty.
His voting for whoever he feels can get lynched, especially doing it fairly early before the deadline (if someone did that just today, it would be more reasonable) seems like he's looking to build a case without building a case. He refuses to elaborate. It feels like he wants to walk away from the lynch afterwards. Day 5 comes, oops, lynched a townie, oh, I got an innocent result on player X, let's move on.
I imagine that posting any doubts about Glork will probably just jar with the rest of the town and make me look more suspicious. I tried to downplay it earlier in the day, but I'm not bothering to anymore.
Billy Twillight bothers me the most because I believe he's town. However, he's parked his vote on me and is now too busy to post. It's just...troubling that everyone who is voting for me has parked a vote without arguing for it. It's like the lynch that no one wants to happen, but it's risen to the top. This behavior should be examined closely. I'm wondering if they are hoping my defensiveness will cause me to lynch myself. I am a defensive player, but simply because I believe any attack (explicit or implied) should be talked about. Full discussion aids the town.
Ordered Mafia list:
Mafia:
TCS
Kinetic#
MBL#
CTD
White
Rogueben
Yos
Billy
Glork
Shteven
#: Yosarian, these would be my canidadates for mafia goon. In the event that Glork is the SK, then TCS would also be an excellent choice. CTD could also be possible.
Ordered SK list: *
*It should be noted I am not very confident in my SK list. Mafia list should take precedence. I.e., while I think Glork has a good chance at being the SK, since he has practically no chance of being mafia, I'm not looking to lynch him.
Glork
TCS
Yosarian
MBL
CTD
kinetic
white
rogue
billy
shteven
