California Trilogy - Dantès in Fresno (Game Over!)

[Talitha]

CES - I know, but go and check your role PM then tell me that 'Innocent Fresnino' isn't a filler for a proper name.

[Gaspar]

Well, that's just idiotic, LmL. If there

is

a poisoner SK out there, you've just handed him his next victim. If you're lying scum, you'll try to weasel your way out of it by asserting that you yourself are being set up.

[Talitha]

go and check your role PM then tell me that 'Innocent Fresnino' isn't a filler for a proper name

That should have been "...go and check your role PM

and compare it to the example on page 1

...".

[LoudmouthLee]

Well, that's just idiotic, LmL. If there

is

a poisoner SK out there, you've just handed him his next victim. If you're lying scum, you'll try to weasel your way out of it by asserting that you yourself are being set up.

Dude, remember when I said.. "Hidey Ho! Mr. Grey's in the cordorcet?"

Put two and two together and get four. 5 will get you 15 that Mr. Grey's the recursive serial killer.

[Talitha]

The connection between lace and poison suddenly occured to me. What made you use the word 'lace' Lee?

[LoudmouthLee]

Because I like the word?

Honestly, this is an incredibly odd line of questioning. I'm a teacher of English. Is "lacing into somebody" such an odd idiom?


http://www.allwords.com/word-lace.html

Phrasal Verb: lace into someone
To attack them physically or with words.

[Mr. Grey]

Vote Count:

8 to lynch.

MrBuddyLee: 2 (Gaspar, VitaminR)
IH: 1 (Talitha)
Talitha: 1 (LoudmouthLee)

[Zindaras]

I'd never heard of the word lace in this particular context before. Then again, I am Dutch. Note, also, that you can lace someone's drink with poison (I believe that is a correct English sentence).

Of course, the fact that we already had a vote count from Mr. Grey without brutal poisony death does count for something.

[LoudmouthLee]

It sure does.

I still think it's the Mod as the SK. Could it be for people who fall into 2 categories:

a) People who have a secret word...
and...
b) People who fail to utter their secret word?

I am very tempted to add Mr. Grey to my condorcet. Especially how he was unlisted D1 in the cordorcet, but listed D2, after Xyzzy's death, in the condorcet.

[Gaspar]

Well then, how about we try something... Considering I've not yet made a Condorcet, I'm willing to move my vote to Grey for the time being.

Part of me wonders if Grey can't be voted outright, but

can

be lynched if he is the Condorcet winner on a day without a regular lynch. If that's the case, we'd have to split our votes approximately evenly while all listing Grey as our second choice. Still, I guess we'll learn if we can vote Grey outright at the top of the next page...

Unvote MBL
Vote: Mr. Grey

[Gaspar]

EBWOP: Glork, btw.

[MrBuddyLee]

I don't think it's worth the loss of information at this point. Let's deal with Mr. Grey when we must. Let's also note that he took out a scummy player.

[Gaspar]

You're kidding, right?

Presumably, Grey/mith knows the setup to the game. Are you arguing that, if Grey is has a role within the game, it would be

completely broken

to have that role be protown. The role, as LmL has already explained, really only makes senes if it's an independent (Serial Killer, possibly Survivor) role. The fact that Xyzzy was the one poisioned gives us

no

benefit right now. I cannot fathom that you'd want to keep alive a role that is almost certainly not protown.



My vote will be going right back onto you once this whole thing is sorted out.

[Gaspar]

EBWOP: "I would argue that..." Sorry, I changed the wording of part of that sentence and didn't fix the other part.

[Gaspar]

Prim:

You're kidding, right?

Presumably, Grey/mith knows the setup to the game. Are you arguing that, if Grey is has a role within the game, it would be

completely broken

to have that role be protown. The role, as LmL has already explained, really only makes senes if it's an independent (Serial Killer, possibly Survivor) role. The fact that Xyzzy was the one poisioned gives us

no

benefit right now. I cannot fathom that you'd want to keep alive a role that is almost certainly not protown.



My vote will be going right back onto you once this whole thing is sorted out.

Disagree. I've seen modpersonas that were protown. I don't see any harm in it, assuming the modpersona can't actually post, and can't do anything that capitalizes on his extra knowledge. (The one I saw interacted with a couple of roles in the game, could only vote for a person that another player told him to vote for, and couldn't post.)

I mean, hell, I'm just about to run NPC mafia, where I take on over a dozen personas, so I'm definitely assuring you that it is

possible

to come up with these things as town.

If he's killing people, though, he's operating to a pattern. And I don't think a pro-town vig persona that operates to a pattern is a good idea at all. It is effectively screwing over a town for not being able to speculate that the mod is a person in the game

and

not being able to figure out what that pattern is. Also, that kind of indiscriminate killing is acceptable in a SK, but is rarely acceptable in a vig. (I'd also say that the kill method is a little weird for a vig, but it's not totally implausible).

Honestly, this is an incredibly odd line of questioning. I'm a teacher of English. Is "lacing into somebody" such an odd idiom?

I'd call it fairly peculiar, but I've got no idea what your idiolect is.

[Gaspar]

Prim:

I'm wondering though if mith will just include anything on the votecounts if they are voted for. I vaguely recall a similar argument in mememeet mafia, though my memory ain't what it used to be.

[Gaspar]

(Glork.)

Prim:

You're kidding, right?

Presumably, Grey/mith knows the setup to the game. Are you arguing that, if Grey is has a role within the game, it would be

completely broken

to have that role be protown. The role, as LmL has already explained, really only makes senes if it's an independent (Serial Killer, possibly Survivor) role. The fact that Xyzzy was the one poisioned gives us

no

benefit right now. I cannot fathom that you'd want to keep alive a role that is almost certainly not protown.



My vote will be going right back onto you once this whole thing is sorted out.

Disagree. I've seen modpersonas that were protown. I don't see any harm in it, assuming the modpersona can't actually post, and can't do anything that capitalizes on his extra knowledge. (The one I saw interacted with a couple of roles in the game, could only vote for a person that another player told him to vote for, and couldn't post.)

I mean, hell, I'm just about to run NPC mafia, where I take on over a dozen personas, so I'm definitely assuring you that it is

possible

to come up with these things as town.

Okay, Primate, in all fairness, I have also seen protown "modpersonae" before. MBL in Snakes on a Plane was the director and couldn't talk, but I think he got to see all night actions or something. But in my experiences, those kinds of roles are fairly rare. I still disagree with the

likelihood

of him being protown, and at this time, I am choosing to see Grey (assuming he is in fact in the game as a poisoner) as almost certainly a threat.

I actually have a few theories/ideas that I would like to explore over the course of the next gameday or two, in order to hopefully out more information about mith/Grey. I already told you (Primate) about the most relevant one.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What caused you to capitalize Xyzzy's name in that instance?

What caused you to capitalize the word lace?

don't play us for fools, it could be easily possible that your poisoning ability is a one shot thing.

You like the word lace? Cite one instance of youu using that word in that context before using it to describe what you would do to Skruffs.

I'm very concerned about this "coincidence"

[Zindaras]

This reminds me of Two-Headed. Intra-role fighting!

Also, I think Pooky has a point.

[VitaminR]

The lace thing is nonsense, in my opinion.

go and check your role PM then tell me that 'Innocent Fresnino' isn't a filler for a proper name

That should have been "...go and check your role PM

and compare it to the example on page 1

...".

I actually think the discrepancy between "Fresnino" and "Fresnoite" makes IH more likely to be telling the truth. If he was taking the structure of his claim from that example PM, then getting it wrong like that is very stupid. Also, the weirdness of the moniker "Fresnino" (and of "Fresnoite," for that matter) suggests to me that townies may have been given varying names as a play on the fact that "Fresno" doesn't lend itself easily to that sort of neologism.

[Talitha]

I think, as a mod, you either give an example OR you make all the townie PMs different. You don't bother doing both. I also don't believe there are players without a proper name, and I'm willing to test my theory by lynching IH.

The Mr Grey thing is a silly distraction, IMO.

[Zindaras]

I don't like using PM wording for any real decisions. I think it is not only likely wrong, it is also a cheap excuse for a wagon.

[LoudmouthLee]

What caused you to capitalize Xyzzy's name in that instance?

What caused you to capitalize the word lace?

don't play us for fools, it could be easily possible that your poisoning ability is a one shot thing.

You like the word lace? Cite one instance of youu using that word in that context before using it to describe what you would do to Skruffs.

I'm very concerned about this "coincidence"

I use the term lacing into someone frequently. I capitalized the worst for effect (since I can't BOLD in this game).

I also consistently talk in ALL CAPS when I want to make a point.

I'm playing you for a fool, Pooky?

Do you think a one shot role like that, even if it was mine (which it is not) would be a scum or an SK with only one shot? And if I were scum, do you really think I would have "used my kill on xyzzy"? He was surely yesterday's lynch if he were alive.

Wake up Pooky. You're better than this,

[logicticus]

sorry guys i havent had the time lately to give this game a reread that it deserves

and right now i am forced to play my post enough words not to get replaced card

i promise this is the only time i use it though

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You're not going to get me to move off this point with some appeal to emotion Lee,

Cite an example of you using that word lace in that context on any website that is timestamped to before your usage of it in this thread and I'll be alot more willing to back off.

I don't know if your ability is one shot, it might be usable on only even days, I'm not going to speculate on that. I just want to see if you've used that word before in that context because I found its usage there.