Mini 1776: Evolution Mafia (Game Over)

[Edgar Allan Pro]

This isn't the first time someone's said 'FB feels town to me';
Maybe that's why Anti wants to defer to FB?
Doesn't feel good.
Both heads of a hydra should represent.
Speaking of, I really need to skype my other head. We haven't touched base since we got our role PM.

-V

[SirCakez]

Fire is really hard for me to read since he jokes around so much so deferring the control of the hydra to him feels like a scum move to me.

[Edgar Allan Pro]

I could see the town logic behind it if you agree that town wants to be survivalistic, but I've always adhered to the philosophy that town should just wear their guts on the outside for everyone to see.

[Persivul]

This isn't the first time someone's said 'FB feels town to me';

Were they right?

I did a test this morning - I read the beginning of his ISOs in several games without checking his alignment beforehand, and I read him right in 4 of 5 games (the fifth I wasn't right or wrong, I couldn't get a feel one way or the other). Those weren't hydras, but he was operating mostly solo at the beginning of this one.

[Specter Deflectors]

I could see the town logic behind it if you agree that town wants to be survivalistic, but I've always adhered to the philosophy that town should just wear their guts on the outside for everyone to see.

I didnt interpret it as an act of survivalism, i just saw someone who was fed up with the game
But if it was survivalism, then why are you reading other people on a standard that you hold yourself to?

And the shiro vote is largely just what hound said about shiro interactions with cakez in addition to my desire for shiro to respond to it.

[Edgar Allan Pro]

@Specter: I tend to think that scum are the ones who try to keep up appearances, whereas town are more prone to just playing a 'genuine' game.

This isn't the first time someone's said 'FB feels town to me';

Were they right?

I did a test this morning - I read the beginning of his ISOs in several games without checking his alignment beforehand, and I read him right in 4 of 5 games (the fifth I wasn't right or wrong, I couldn't get a feel one way or the other). Those weren't hydras, but he was operating mostly solo at the beginning of this one.

Numbers-wise, if you always guessed 'town', you'd be right three out of four times anyway.

[Hellhound]

Fire is really hard for me to read since he jokes around so much so deferring the control of the hydra to him feels like a scum move to me.

its a move to preserve my sanity

the absolute ONLY reason im not subbing out right now is bc ive been saying i would hydra w fire for a while and ive wanted to do it so im doing it.

also ive been incredibly transparent w my thought process re: the reads ive talked about so far. apricity could follow it but for some reason everyone else is playing dumb and varsoons just talking out his ass

[Edgar Allan Pro]

<3
I'm sorry for driving you mad, yo.

[Hellhound]

i had a feeling before this game that i would clash w this playerlist and turns out i did

i am not going to be able to post in this thread without getting pissed. guess what that beta blockers comment wasnt actually a joke.

so yeah scumread for me for it if you must but its what i have to do

[lane0168]

Damn you've all been busy little bees huh?

Either post or don't post, quit saying you can't, and then post.

[Flubbernugget]

Don't pull that 'erryone is kicking me man feels bad' appeal.
You did open the game with a spooky gif.
Besides, this sounds like scum-caught-for-the-wrong-reasons.
What don't you agree with with regards to how Max, Flubber, and Cakes are pushing you?
Why does it seem like 'getting kicked in the face'? Even I thought your all-caps outburst post was a bit much, mayne.

-V

In addition to this, was I even pushing you?

[Flubbernugget]

For you;

This post is Flubber approved

[Flubbernugget]

Given the first chance of swinging a counterwagon--when SirCakes was shown to have some vote support, Hellhound went for it.

This is 100% factually wrong

[Flubbernugget]

The speed at which the wagon picked up on Hellhound and then dropped, followed by Hellhound still seeming tense to the point of wanting Firebringer to run damage control just strikes me as particularly weird.

What strikes me as weird is the way you push HH, but throw in some seeming coaching posts like 302 and 306.

That's not coaching, it's scolding

[Flubbernugget]

This isn't the first time someone's said 'FB feels town to me';

Were they right?

I did a test this morning - I read the beginning of his ISOs in several games without checking his alignment beforehand, and I read him right in 4 of 5 games (the fifth I wasn't right or wrong, I couldn't get a feel one way or the other). Those weren't hydras, but he was operating mostly solo at the beginning of this one.

I would like you to quantify this

[Flubbernugget]

I don't think hellhound is scum anymore

I do like my vote for scum still. I would like to see more aggressive pushes from Sircakez.

I would be willing to compromise lynch eap come deadline. I don't like his push on hellhound

[Persivul]

Why do you want quantification since you no longer scum read them either? How will my citing game numbers help your reads? I'll do it if you have a good answer, but rn I don't see the motivation for the request.

[Edgar Allan Pro]

There we go, Flubbadub-dub.

[Flubbernugget]

Why do you want quantification since you no longer scum read them either? How will my citing game numbers help your reads? I'll do it if you have a good answer, but rn I don't see the motivation for the request.

Quantification is the wrong word.

I want you to put the way you read firebringer into words because you were probably saying town more than scum, which statistically makes your "read" on him more likely to be correct

[Persivul]

And that will affect your reads...how? This isn't statistics class.

[Flubbernugget]

Because right now I'm basing my read off the anti head

Your resistance to trying to explain a read is also duly noted

[Specter Deflectors]

Anti, I didn't mean to piss you off, seriously don't know why I did. That level of interaction is something I'd expect between two players in a mafia game, and I think you blew it out of proportion. I obviously said something that i didnt intend and im sorry for that. Still, your reaction leaves me unsure of your alignment. But that's just my opinion, and I'll drop the subject that started this, and just focus on Firebringer for a while.
And hi Varsoon! <3
Hiplop howd I miss that you were in this game?
Persivul I think you should answer. Pros point was that people often 'feel' Fire is town, and that doesn't seem to have a lot to do with his alignment. So, in those games where you read him right, was he scum of town? It's an important distinction.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Specter, can I just say. I really like your guys avatar.

Thanks man. Now I just need to get Errant to write the Sig...
- Max

[hiplop]

im sneaky max dw about it

[Persivul]

Persivul I think you should answer. Pros point was that people often 'feel' Fire is town, and that doesn't seem to have a lot to do with his alignment. So, in those games where you read him right, was he scum of town? It's an important distinction.

Here you go. You can try it yourself if you like.
Mini 1767

Correct scum read

Micro 570

Correct town read

Mini Normal 1740

Correct scum read

Micro 579

No read - he was replaced and the slot was town

Blitz 14

Correct town read

And no, I'm not going to go into detail on how I got the reads.