In post 594, chilledtea wrote:As far as lovelygiant being scum is concerned - I haven't seen what makes him scum.
Can you comment on the reasons that were brought up then?
I'll summarise them for you:
In post 497, Postie wrote:I think some of lovelygiant's posts were intentionally trying to escalate the earlier situation, so that's another reason why my vote is where it is right now.
@postie Ice cream won't work. and WHO Said I'm bad at this game?
@lg oh class and dignity? I don't fucking care about them. I'm already dead twice. so yeah ... thats so for living people
Literally get over yourself, honey. If you're going to snap at anything that moves, you're the turtle we're gonna stand and laugh at when you're stuck flipped on your back. I don't help bitter babies.
Leave the thread. When you're sufficiently pacified, come back and try being useful instead of, you know, the least town motivated thing ever? (unnecessarily claiming, threatening to quit repeatedly, absorbing all Day discussion, making a big ole scene?)
are you about to pass this entire hissy fit off as a reaction test?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
In post 530, Lowell wrote:His crocodile tears and theatrical accusations of people playing "against wincon" after (what appeared to be) the lynch make no sense unless he knows the person being lynched is town (and that the person DOING the lynching is town, for that matter).
And also his jump onto the Creature wagon looked opportunistic.
So let me get this straight: The reasoning for my lynch is my "theatrics" over FA's immeasurably more dramatic meltdown and subsequent unwarranted role claim. This coupled with my opportunistic lynch on Creature (everyone keeps calling it that but hasn't really explained what makes it so opportunistic?)
If that makes me the scummier player in the room to you, you're tunneling. Gale is still striking up meaningless busy filler convos about possible mirror roles when he could answer his own questions by reading the setup and asking the mod. Almost is trying to collect town cred by over and over claiming to know FA well enough instead of just providing the obvious reasoning FA SHOULD ALREADY be townread by all of you. Guy placing another trolly, empty RVS vote outside of RVS and contributing nothing. Creature hasn't given a real defense and is coasting on this day drama. But I'm the only conceivable lynch, aside from our uncountered Tracker, lmao.
I feel like I'm talking to a series of brick walls.
Chilled and BlueTrin seem genuine town right now. I'm still thinking Lowell is town. Almost probably is too and I'm overanalyzing them, but who knows.
I think lowell could be scum because of his post where he voted you. I brushed past it previously because I was in a mess in this game.
But otherwise my scumlist is basically creature, lowell, guyfawkes, pista. Could be one of them. Antihero hasn't done much but I liked him when he was here.
sorry aquanim, i really should've declared v/la before kind of dropping out on ya' like. last few days + next week is a pretty congested work week for me.
i'll still post about every day and i'll have a few hours tonight to catch up on what's been happening.
The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.
In post 626, Lowell wrote:The way I read it lovely started bitching as soon as the "lynch" was achieved, blaming ppl for playing against wincon. How could he do this unless he knew the lynchee was town? Seems obvious, what am I missing?
Even if she was scum it would be against your own wincon to get lynched in this manner, isn't it ?
I am not convinced by Creature's reaction and I don't believe he miscounted. But even if he didn't it does not mean that he is scum as town can use this as well to avoid being lynched. However his reaction, when he joins the next wagon seems a bit opportunistic.
In post 428, Postie wrote:Honestly I find the speed at which this wagon took off slightly concerning. I've said that before in other games where the wagon was on scum but I still don't like it.
In post 601, Frozen Angel wrote:isn't it obvious that I don't give a shit about my town win condition if I'm really the one who is getting lynched?
yeah its against my win condition. report me after the game. I dare you.
I don't care about whether you played against your win condition, I want to understand Lowell post.
The way I read it lovely started bitching as soon as the "lynch" was achieved, blaming ppl for playing against wincon. How could he do this unless he knew the lynchee was town? Seems obvious, what am I missing?
I made the wincon comments toward FA. I don't know for a fact that they're town, but they are uncountered Macho Tracker, so that's the assumption I am/was operating under. And you go on to townread them in your next post, so what's your point here? I think they're pretty obvious town right now, and the wagon on them is a waste of time that's only been further supporting their innocence. Pretty weak thing to condemn me for.
well I was kind of sure I made a very good act , I unvoted right before the possible L1 vote and voted like a hammer. It was really hard to follow up the votes like that (in that speed)
In post 657, Frozen Angel wrote:well I was kind of sure I made a very good act , I unvoted right before the possible L1 vote and voted like a hammer. It was really hard to follow up the votes like that (in that speed)
I can't do this now, but I will go through again and check the times.
In post 536, pistachi0n wrote:I think the whole thing with FA was likely a scum gambit. It's out of character, she's been very composed in every game I've played with her.
Postie is a sheep.
The Creature wagon was terrible.
VOTE: Frozen Angel
I have read a game from FA where she had an argument with Pisskop, but Pisskop has strange manners so maybe your argument stands.
I will keep a vote on Creature, because I am not sold on the Lovely Giant wagon.
What I didn't like in Creature ISO:
No info dump when 'hammered', but claim he believe he was hammered
He changed his vote opportunistically on FA because she mentioned a policy lynch on Gale (I have no opinion on the policy lynch itself, just that Creature was opportunistic
His defense when he was voted by ChilledTea was immediately that there would be no associative flips ? (we are in D1)
Below is a post from Creature to illustrate the points above, this was his reaction at L-3 I think ? (Chilledtea, Postie, AntiHero, GWS)
This is very defensive for someone who is only at L-3 ? Although the wagon happens a bit fast without resistance.
In post 246, Dierfire wrote:I think that chilledtea is more likely to be Town. His 158 seems like a naturally evolving thought process (not scripted).
I like BlueTrin for Town as already mentioned. Therefore, if I were to vote for someone on the chilledtea wagon, it would be Creature.
I do still think that Gale is Town. I do not have any good reads on those on his wagon, which is concerning and will be my next priority to fix.
Yes, I think I would be OK with a creature lynch personally. He wanted to share his thoughts sometime back but for some reason my lack of activity created a block for him from expressing himself. I thought it was his way of getting away by lurking a bit more.
VOTE: Creature
Him and pista are my scumspects at the moment.
Why are you earning from my lynch? Also, I didn't have much to say at the time.
What's the best way to get out of RVS? Reading the votes.
What are we earning from reading these votes? Nothing.
Then how it helps? People will stop trolling and post their opinions.
And what are we earning from this? We're getting real tells.
/whiteknights gale
/does absolutely nothing with this opinion that gale is being unjustly attacked
Wait, how was I white knigthing Gale? It was my opinion, apparently nobody did anything with it until here.
What's the best way to get out of RVS? Reading the votes.
What are we earning from reading these votes? Nothing.
Then how it helps? People will stop trolling and post their opinions.
And what are we earning from this? We're getting real tells.
For now I disagree on Gale's lynch. I want to hear more from chilledtea, he stopped posting when he received two votes.
^this needs heat
vote creature plz
1. Already answered.
2. I was asking for votecount, since when was this a scum tell?
3. I was answering someone. Regarding chilledtea, I noticed he was lurking and asked him for opinions.
In post 266, Antihero wrote:since i know it's coming ("why?"): he goes out of his way to make a big deal to defend gale, but he doesn't go after any of gale's detractors. he keeps his vote on tea who NEVER voted gale w/ this implicit, asinine hypothesis that he's scum who crumbled under the pressure of 2 rvs votes.
there's no good, cohesive read here there's just this dangling, isolated observation floating out in the middle of nowhere.
I decided to wait a bit more before accusing Gale's detractors. Also, my vote on tea was since the RVS, I just didn't unvote until now.
In post 285, Postie wrote:I actually like the GWS wagon better. I think lynching town!Creature would be worse than lynching town!GWS, because I might actually be able to get a decent read on Creature in future, whereas GWS is just going to be annoying all game.
VOTE: Gale Wing Srock
ok w8 a minute ...
why the fact creature is doing nothing in game is going to give you a read? and why is that better in any manner than lynching an active player?
I think your saying policy lynching gale is defintly better than policy lynching creature in a very nicer way.
am I right?
Policy lynch? Is that your logic? I am not defending Gale, but I won't accept a policy lynch.
In post 658, BlueTrin wrote:Although the wagon happens a bit fast without resistance.
WAGON
SPEED
MEANS
NOTHING
i will say this over and over and over and over again. i JUST had this rant in another recent game so i'll just go ahead and link you to the post where i talk about what actually correlates w/ "wagon speed": http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7667158
by the way, the person we were wagoning WAS SCUM so little bonus tidbit for you there and only serves to further drive home my mantra that WAGON SPEED MEANS NOTHING
let's say it again
WAGON SPEED MEANS NOTHING
The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.
since i'm on the nrg i thought it would be good to actually PLAY a normal game to see how things are on the player side of things in this queue but it's become such a drag.
The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.
In post 658, BlueTrin wrote:I have read a game from FA where she had an argument with Pisskop, but Pisskop has strange manners so maybe your argument stands.
He insulted my mother in the game. I got mad at a degree that I couldn't type insults anymore then some intel leaked and I got force replaced
In post 658, BlueTrin wrote:I have read a game from FA where she had an argument with Pisskop, but Pisskop has strange manners so maybe your argument stands.
He insulted my mother in the game. I got mad at a degree that I couldn't type insults anymore then some intel leaked and I got force replaced
and I was fucking town in that game
what are you even talking about?
I was not saying that you were scum in this game, just saying that you got mad in another game, not saying that you were/are scum ...
