Mini 1772 ~ Game Over

[BlueTrin]

I agree w/ FA, 412 is damning. I had started to drift towards lovely as town, but now, in addition to this post (and with a healthy dose of confirmation bias, I'm sure) I see some uncomfortable buddying (of me). His crocodile tears and theatrical accusations of people playing "against wincon" after (what appeared to be) the lynch make no sense unless he knows the person being lynched is town (and that the person DOING the lynching is town, for that matter).

So this is a bonus. If lovely

is

scum, we can pretty much guarantee creature is town, as is the purported hammerer (who I forget).

VOTE: lovely

Let's not be gunshy here. Be brave, someone hammer.

This 412.

If there's one thing that gets under my skin, it's players ruining the game and not playing to their win con. It's unprofessional, immature, and a complete buzzkill. Get it together or get lost, to be honest.

This is his last vote:

Wow. That was a neat read.

Town vs town, boring, moving along.

I'll VOTE: Creature for now. I'm still looking at Gale for a future lynch, but I'm trying not to old their hopeful scumteam narratives against them. That seems like it's legitimately part of their play, and it's more scum hunting than I've seen from some folks.

Can you explain to me the logic about what is damning here ?

I am trying to understand, whether you are scum or town, voting yourself is against the win condition ? (unless you hammer to end the day quickly)

[Frozen Angel]

isn't it obvious that I don't give a shit about my town win condition if I'm really the one who is getting lynched?

yeah its against my win condition. report me after the game. I dare you.

[BlueTrin]

isn't it obvious that I don't give a shit about my town win condition if I'm really the one who is getting lynched?

yeah its against my win condition. report me after the game. I dare you.

I don't care about whether you played against your win condition, I want to understand Lowell post.

[Postie]

I didn't see the jump on creature as opportunistic. I don't see anything opportunistic in it.

Well, he didn't really give any reasons for getting on. It looked to me like he was just hopping on because everyone else was. I guess, yeah, it would definitely be really helpful to hear what he has to say.

[Postie]

Having a hard time putting it into words, but here are a few quick points for town!FA:

• I think the idea that FA planned her freakout and tracker claim is silly. It's hard to explain, but if you actually read her interactions with AH, there's definitely a slow progression into her outburst; I don't think it looks unnatural at all.
  
  

  There may be zero or more of any other listed role.

  
  
  CC means nothing even if someone do it.

  
  
• Why would scum-FA point this out? If there were two or more trackers and the trackers didn't realise that this was possible, it would be great for scum if they counterclaimed.
  
  

  or I might be just a poor vanilla who just took scums roleblock attempt so our roles can freely do their job!
  
  I would do that ...
  
  I'm pure evil you know?!

  
  
• Not sure how to explain this either but I see this kind of thinking as a lot more likely to come from town-FA than scum-FA.

[Frozen Angel]

@chilledtea

can you define to me whats opportunistic and whats not?

[Postie]

All the lurking this game is super annoying. GuyFawkes, Dierfire, Creature, and Lowell in particular all need to get their butts in here. If anyone is lurking because they have a power-role - don't. If you aren't a/the vig, then worst case scenario you get shot by a/the vig.

[chilledtea]

@chilledtea

can you define to me whats opportunistic and whats not?

I consider creature as scum. How you look at creature would ultimately create a bias regarding your look at whether what lg did was opportunistic or not.

There was plenty of reason already to vote for creature in my eyes.

If there was no reason or little reason to be on creature wagon and say, a lurking lg comes out of nowhere and gives a weird reason to vote for creature or no reason for that matter - I would consider something like that as opportunistic.

[Frozen Angel]

that wasn't what I asked you.

whats the meaning of oppourtunistic?

[chilledtea]

that wasn't what I asked you.

whats the meaning of oppourtunistic?

Apparently according to google it is taking advantage of a situation for something that could be unethical.

[Frozen Angel]

so putting someone in L1 without scum reading him before hand then yelling at the potential hammer don't seem like taking advantage of situation ?

[Postie]

@Lowell

chilled is town.

Reasoning?

Also

I like FA for town. Mostly. And dislike that guy (I forget who) who felt the need to give a treatise on why he doesn't like RVS. Dumb.

Can you go into more details on this?

Asked these questions a while back. Would still be interested in the answers.

[Postie]

so putting someone in L1 without scum reading him before hand then yelling at the potential hammer don't seem like taking advantage of situation ?

^^^^^^^^

[BlueTrin]

I don't like Anti Hero but I think he is town or he is a very aggressive scum (probably the former).

314 is a scumpost, by the way

I am not as experienced as you do, can tell me why this is a scum post ?

Is it because he is voting FA for the policy lynch mostly ?

All the lurking this game is super annoying. GuyFawkes, Dierfire, Creature, and Lowell in particular all need to get their butts in here. If anyone is lurking because they have a power-role - don't. If you aren't a/the vig, then worst case scenario you get shot by a/the vig.

I found this extremely frustrating as well, how can you read someone who is not posting ?

I guess the problem is that Creature seems to be the lynch for D1. So some people will be waiting for D1 to finish ?
One problem I have with Creature is that he didn't info dump although he posted that he had to recount all the posts to know if he was lynched. Why would you not post all you have if you are about to be lynched ? Although I have seen people just quit quietly when being lynched as town so not sure about this either.

[chilledtea]

I have already explained that LG probably didn't know he was putting creature on L-2. It is a laughable suggestion considering FA put creature on L-1.

[Frozen Angel]

thats the point ... he probably had no idea whats the vote he is giving. he didn't gave a shit that his vote was L1 or L2. THATS the definition of opportunistic vote.

[chilledtea]

On the contrary I think scum always keep a track of things like that. It is generally the town that vote on instinct. Or to pressurize someone.

[Frozen Angel]

It wasn't my point!

that he doesn't keep tracking ...

are you pretending you can't understand what I'm saying?

[chilledtea]

I don't see what's the big deal in putting someone on L-2?

[Frozen Angel]

ok NVM

this conversation can continue till tomorrow morning with no gain

I prefer to go to sleep.

[GuyFawkes]

You are making quiet a few assumptions there which may not be right.

Let me ask you this, do you think it is possible for Mirror roles to exist in the game?

"There may be zero or more of any other listed role."

[Postie]

Got anything to say about the rest of the game, Guy?

[Gale Wing Srock]

Does no one realize that creature after the theatrics has become completely silent?

MOD

, Creature and Antihero are due prods. Lovelygiant is a few hours from it.

Also I am OK with pista lynch too. I think they could be scum, but I thought creature lynch was better.

I don't understand your bystanding wrt Creature wagon atm, doesn't seem natural with your frustration.

I think lowell is town, and I actually lean town regarding lovelygiant.

I think you are tunneling FA so you are not seeing this, or you chose not to see it?

postie could be anything but I am leaning scum atm.

Actually that was what I thought of her before drama but then a lot of fluff happened and she seemed better, but I will give her the deficit of doubt and consider her scum.

You seem disturbed and / or distracted Sir!

Others have hardly posted and AH seemed town initially in his pursuit of creature and fa. Some theatrics later he became absent - this could be because he felt upset or whatever.

Could be, I just want to double check my reads just in case. Because I observed that he was not seeing the Lowell-LovelyGiant pair, then he started something with FA for a silly ego reason wrt the LovelyGiant wagon and then went away when LovelyGiant was at L-1. Could all be a coincidence and that he is actually upset or something, but it makes me wary of him. LovelyGiant's flip would reveal a lot of information regarding Lowell, Antihero, and Pista.

@chilledtea

can you define to me whats opportunistic and whats not?

I consider creature as scum. How you look at creature would ultimately create a bias regarding your look at whether what lg did was opportunistic or not.

There was plenty of reason already to vote for creature in my eyes.

If there was no reason or little reason to be on creature wagon and say, a lurking lg comes out of nowhere and gives a weird reason to vote for creature or no reason for that matter - I would consider something like that as opportunistic.

Is it possible that your read on creature is extreme (biased)? and that it is stopping you from seeing why LovelyGiant can be scum with Creature?

Let me ask you this, what is the possibility of Creature and LovelyGiant not being scum together?

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isn't it obvious that I don't give a shit about my town win condition if I'm really the one who is getting lynched?

yeah its against my win condition. report me after the game. I dare you.

I don't care about whether you played against your win condition, I want to understand Lowell post.

Okay, BlueTrin gets townie points for this.
A) He noticed the weirdness in Lowell's 530.
B) He ignored FA's fluff and is concentrating on scum hunting.

But

BlueTrin

, can you move your vote to whoever you think is the most scummy between LovelyGiant, Creature and Pista? We don't have a lot of time left in the day, so lets primarily focus on deciding on the lynch.

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You are making quiet a few assumptions there which may not be right.

Let me ask you this, do you think it is possible for Mirror roles to exist in the game?

"There may be zero or more of any other listed role."

Oh okay, what I gathered from it was that there was a possibility of 0 - X number of PRs. I didn't see that there can be duplicates. Although, I am not sure about balance if there are duplicates or mirrors. Seems like it would be more confusing that way.

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Postie

any chance you are a distant cousin of FA? Some of your posts seem meh to me and your reasons to see FA as town seems NAI to me now.

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