Mini 1769: Ice Cream Mafia - Game over!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright.

Can you help me lynch Keyser now?

[KainTepes]

i am suddenly not sure about keyser, i want to think about aquanim.....

[KainTepes]

nobody even considered whether she may be town or scum, which is VERY strange.......

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Aqua is prob town so I'm not interested in that.

Why have you changed your mind on Keyser?

[TellTaleHeart]

I'm still not getting what the main thrust of the Keyser wagon is and apparently I misstated it a while ago.

I think it

is

true that any impact he could be having is getting diluted in massive volume, and that's what I was talking about earlier in post 269. But I'm still unsure if that's his intent or he just likes hearing himself talk.

OK, but that's not my problem with what he is doing.

It's that he's backseat driving the Kain wagon?

I don't know. :S

[KainTepes]

Aqua is prob town so I'm not interested in that.

Why have you changed your mind on Keyser?

too many people suddenly interested in keyser,, feels OPPORTUNISTIC

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, it's that he is throwing lots of ideas around about why 'X' could be scum then he nullifies it in his next sentence to exclude himself from pushing/being a part of a wagon. But it's the point of leaving those thoughts out there for other people to pick up and run with.

There is also the lack of any sort of commitment/conviction to a read and we're on page 22. That's also pretty appalling, no?

PEdit - Too many people? There is like, 3. If that.

[TellTaleHeart]

There is also the lack of any sort of commitment/conviction to a read and we're on page 22. That's also pretty appalling, no?

That seems to be pretty common in this game, and what I meant when I said this game has a "weird dynamic" way back when. Phoenix, massive, and pops are other offenders.

[SirCakez]

mn did not pick up his prod and will be replaced.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

They're not posting nearly as often as Keyser.

Keyser does a lot of busy posting but it doesn't actually provide anything. It's just 'stuff'.

[TellTaleHeart]

Replacements, replacements!

I'll leave my vote here.
VOTE: GuyFawkes

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Masquerade's replace out was pretty town.

[TellTaleHeart]

They're not posting nearly as often as Keyser.

Keyser does a lot of busy posting but it doesn't actually provide anything. It's just 'stuff'.

Which brings me back here:

I think it

is

true that any impact he could be having is getting diluted in massive volume, and that's what I was talking about earlier in post 269. But I'm still unsure if that's his intent or he just likes hearing himself talk.

Masquerade's replace out was pretty town.

I thought it was null.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

TTH you're killing me!

Why would scum be frustrated with the game-state? I'd say it's pretty ideal for scum.

[TellTaleHeart]

There's a lot of reasons why someone wouldn't be having fun this game that don't have to do with alignment.

[TellTaleHeart]

With townreads on Slandaar, Aquanim, and maybe Golden Robster I'm still hunting out of a

really

big pool. And it's page 22.

I'm to the point where I need a vacation from this game. I'll let the replacements weigh in and take a look at this later.

[Boonskiies]

@golden - I'm realizing that you are one of the people I find naturally scummy, so I'm trying to deal with that. If it helps, it's only an association from mn, and I don't care too much to push for association reads on day 1. I'll post more later. Working.

[KainTepes]

i hope that POPS will post more,,

[Keyser Söze]

KainTepes is town but that's obvi

town-Kain is suspicious of everyone, even people not trying to mislynch him and Phoenix Wrought. It's very healthy mistrust.

I would like popsofctown to explain how KainTepes is obvious town. I do not feel the above reason is suffice.

Keyser -- remind me again, why you have a bucketful of indicators towards scum-Kain, but aren't going to vote him?

this

VOTE: keyser soze

Please explain in your own words why you think me not voting my null-read is scum-indicative. Again, this is surface reading - you did not attempt to read my reason for unvoting KainTepes. What is your personal read of KainTepes?

I'm not convinced he's town but I'm not convinced he's scum either. I AM convinced that he's not a VI and there's gotta be some method to his madness. So I'd rather look elsewhere for somebody to lynch

How can you be scum-reading me when you too see indicators that he's not town, neither scum (thus null)?

And I completely disagree with this. Keyser is not being pro-active, sure he is posting a lot but what are his posts actually achieving? They are all 'could be this, could be that' posts designed to plant seeds in other people's thoughts and allow them to carry out his work for him. Look through his posts in the first 5 pages, he states a lot of things but he always refrains from committing to a read. Keeps all his reads in limbo so he can change them as and when he needs to.

Is he transparent? Again, sure he is. But what is he achieving? He isn't pushing anything, he isn't stating scum reads, he isn't stating people he would like to see lynched for x, y and z reasons. He is simply throwing out a lot of thoughts and seeing what sticks.

It was the "first 5 pages", why/how would I be presenting strong scum-reads for "x, y and z reasons" that early into the game when I was sorting players? I would never ''commit to read'' that early - no one is closed case.

"He is simply throwing out a lot of thoughts and seeing what sticks."

- this is another weak/generic unsupported non-alignment indicative reason to be scum-reading a player. I could accuse that of many players early Day One.

[KainTepes]

why are you suddenly NULL READING me then?? I thought I was a CLEAR SCUM READ??

looks like scum trying to back away,,

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Keyser you're still doing it now.

We're on page 22.

[KainTepes]

what is KEYSER still doing??

[Keyser Söze]

TTH, you don't want to entertain a Keyser wagon?

Another attempt by BlueBloodedToffee to push a player onto my wagon without providing a solid alignment argument.

VOTE: KEYSER

DIE KEYSERRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! YOU ARE A MEAN PERSON!!!!

Another weak vote/reason on my slot that does not present a solid alignment argument.

THEN WE LYNCH YOU INSTEAD!!!!

VOTE: TELL TALE HEART

YOU ARE SCUMMATES WITH KEYSER TEPES

Please present your Keyser Söze-TellTaleHeart scum narrative.

KEYSER TEPES, AQUANIM, OCEAN WIND AND TELL TALE HEART ARE ALL SCUM MATES......

Again, I need to see why you are posting this for me to take your reads seriously. Show me your thought-process.

[SirCakez]

Hey

[SirCakez]

Hi