Mafia 70: Traditional - Game over!

[Zeppo]

Showed up out of nowhere? I made one post early on then waited until I had anything to add before posting again rather than clutter up the place with useless posts. I put forward the idea you were a jester and asked you to respond with a reason why I shouldn't vote for you. If you gave a well reasoned post like the one above I never would have. Instead you came up with this gem:

unvote VOTE ZEPPO

clearly you haven't been paying attention, what makes you think you're so special that you deserve some sort of extra argument when i've already made my case.

i think it should be clear that at this point anyone voting me is to be looked at with suspicion.

[ZONEACE]

Showed up out of nowhere? I made one post early on then waited until I had anything to add before posting again rather than clutter up the place with useless posts. I put forward the idea you were a jester and asked you to respond with a reason why I shouldn't vote for you. If you gave a well reasoned post like the one above I never would have. Instead you came up with this gem:

unvote VOTE ZEPPO

clearly you haven't been paying attention, what makes you think you're so special that you deserve some sort of extra argument when i've already made my case.

i think it should be clear that at this point anyone voting me is to be looked at with suspicion.

as i pointed out, before that ONE post about jesters you hadn't posted in the game in 6 days, and prior to that 6 days you'd only posted twice in the game, thats out of nowhere to me.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Simenon (1) -- Carrotcake
hmrox (1) -- The Fonz
Lemming1607 (1) -- hmrox
ZONEACE (1) -- Lemming1607
Flare (4) -- Ether, JDodge, Erg0, Niv
Mastermind of Sin (3) -- Toaster Strudel, The Venerable Zorg, Flare
Yamahako (1) -- Simenon
Sir Tornado (1) -- Mastermind of Sin
Zeppo (1) -- ZONEACE
Toaster Strudel (1) -- Beastly

Not Voting: Aimee, Flameaxe, Celtic18, Yamahako, KaleiÐoscøpe, Sir Tornado, Zeppo
22 alive, 12 to lynch.

[Flare]

i don't think i have ever played w/ you in the past. could you please tell me when you have played w/ me.

I would prefer to be lynched than answer this question, as I have played on other sites. I will reveal it when the game is over I think.

Excuse me for being too tired to bother resorting to Ad Hom.

Kay.

I wouldn't find bothering the mod to be an type of particular tell....

[Flare]

EBWOP:That first question was from Niv

[Niv]

i don't think i have ever played w/ you in the past. could you please tell me when you have played w/ me.

I would prefer to be lynched than answer this question, as I have played on other sites. I will reveal it when the game is over I think.

ok, i can handle this, i think. however, i don't see any reason you would want to not reveal this now. why is that? can you atleas ask a game you played w/ me in, so i can see where you are coming from on your view of me as an eratic Newb?

[Erg0]

I'm going to reread your posts so far and see if you have been consistent with this approach towards Zoneace.

in the meantime, Unvote, Vote: Mastermind

I agree with this. MoS has done this three seperate times I believe. He auto agreed with Niv. Then around two pages later he hopped on me with three other people just agreeing with them, and then very shortly afterwards, he moved to SirT. (this is based off of memory and not looking back btw)

vote:MoS

I don't love the fact that both Flare and Zorg jumped on the MoS wagon while openly admitting that they needed to re-read him to be sure. Leaving room to backtrack, methinks - it's not like MoS has written a novel in this game, a re-read wouldn't be too much to ask before voting.

FoS: Zorg

since I'm already voting Flare.

Incidentally, Flare is pretty obviously an alt - I don't see how he would know MoS's tendencies otherwise.

[Niv]

also, @ zone:

when i miss a few pages, i respond to posts in order. so that you know my oponion at each point in a game. even if future parts of the post contradict the later.

[Niv]

also: sry boutthe tripple post,

UnVote Flare

need t ofind something more telling as a place to vote

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm going to reread your posts so far and see if you have been consistent with this approach towards Zoneace.

in the meantime, Unvote, Vote: Mastermind

I agree with this. MoS has done this three seperate times I believe. He auto agreed with Niv. Then around two pages later he hopped on me with three other people just agreeing with them, and then very shortly afterwards, he moved to SirT. (this is based off of memory and not looking back btw)

vote:MoS

I don't love the fact that both Flare and Zorg jumped on the MoS wagon while openly admitting that they needed to re-read him to be sure. Leaving room to backtrack, methinks - it's not like MoS has written a novel in this game, a re-read wouldn't be too much to ask before voting.

FoS: Zorg

since I'm already voting Flare.

Incidentally, Flare is pretty obviously an alt - I don't see how he would know MoS's tendencies otherwise.

Indeed. I've only made 22 posts so far, not that much of a reread. Hopefully my activity will kick up after this week.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Whoo... when I get home, I'll try to do a (serious) reread on this game.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

I do not like ZONEACE, The Fonz, Celtic and Yamahoko

Vote: Celtic

[Zeppo]

Any reasons?

[JDodge]

Any reasons?

Why do you need reasons?

[Sir Tornado]

Any reasons?

Why do you need reasons?

Do you not need reasons?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Any reasons?

Why do you need reasons?

Do you not need reasons?

I don't need reasons?

[JDodge]

Any reasons?

Why do you need reasons?

Do you not need reasons?

Here's a song lyric that describes my feelings on the matter rather well.

Words like violence / Break the silence
Come crashing in / Into my little world
Painful to me / Pierce right through me
Can't you understand / Oh my little girl

All I ever wanted / All I ever needed
Is here in my arms
Words are very unnecessary / They can only do harm

Vows are spoken / To be broken
Feelings are intense / Words are trivial
Pleasures remain / So does the pain
Words are meaningless / And forgettable

[Sir Tornado]

Any reasons?

Why do you need reasons?

Do you not need reasons?

Here's a song lyric that describes my feelings on the matter rather well.

Words like violence / Break the silence
Come crashing in / Into my little world
Painful to me / Pierce right through me
Can't you understand / Oh my little girl

All I ever wanted / All I ever needed
Is here in my arms
Words are very unnecessary / They can only do harm

Vows are spoken / To be broken
Feelings are intense / Words are trivial
Pleasures remain / So does the pain
Words are meaningless / And forgettable

I predict that JDodge would go back to his lurking following this.

[glrokdestroyed!]

You do need reasons, but you don't always need to state them.

This difference isn't really absorbed by players like SirTornado. <3

[glrokdestroyed!]

das simenon up dere

[Flare]

ALT'S ARE IMMORAL.

Also why was the word reason repeated like nine times.

[JDodge]

ALT'S ARE IMMORAL.

Also why was the word reason repeated like nine times.

You're immoral.

[Yamahako]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I do not like ZONEACE, The Fonz, Celtic and

Yamahoko

[/quote]

Who is that?

[The Venerable Zorg]

Oh sorry this is my first game so I'm a little unsure of how people post and such. I didn't like her jab at MoS if you must know, plus she's pretty inactive and unhelpful.

Actually it's a bit of meta-gaming. MoS is very good at surviving games - which means that he is skilled in not pissing off the scum and getting nightkilled, and not shaking the town too much to get himself lynched. Yet, he manages to participate somewhat aggressively.

His posts so far have struck me as wishy-washy, and out of character. He's not himself it seems - but only in this game. It's also not his habit to fail to respond to being voted against, even when he's far from being in danger of a lynch. I don't expect most other players to see what I see, but I've played a great many games with MoS, and I think many players here have played none to a few. Gut-metagaming if you will.

It's probably not a bad idea to shake him up a bit and see if he's persistently out of character, or if he's having an off gamestart.

Neither. I'm having my life torn apart right now. Forgive me if I don't go all rambo on everyone.

Doesn't change the fact that my post was an attack on Sir Tornado, not just a copy of what Erg0 said. Although, I *DID* say that I agreed with Erg0, so I fail to see how agreeing with someone is a bad thing.

How did I just copy what Erg0 said? I said I agreed with him and then attacked Sir Tornado. Just because half a sentence said the same thing Erg0 said does not mean I copied him.

I'd like a second opinion on this. I think Masterminds post was terrible. I'll try and summarise why, below.

Erg0 is full of win. Sir Tornado is full of fail. Unvote, Vote: Sir Tornado

Zoneace is not scum. You think he's scum because you have never played with him before. Or, you know he's not scum and are pushing a lynch on him because you think he's an easy target and don't realize that those of us who've been around this whole time know the Zonace isn't acting scummy.

This post came just after a post by Erg0, in which Erg0 had suggested that Zoneace always plays this way. Mastermind appears to have felt an urge to repeat exactly what Erg0 had just said. Yet i dont recall Mastermind saying this before. This could be an example of buddying up, by following the lead of Erg0. I havent played with Mastermind before (though he is in a game i am starting now), so can someone please tell me whether he is always this erratic?
I mean, his staunch defense of Zoneace just seems really jumpy. It would be very nice if Mastermind could please reveal his connections with Zoneace. If you are so confident that he always plays like this, it would be useful to see games which you and he share. I'm going to reread your posts so far and see if you have been consistent with this approach towards Zoneace.

in the meantime,

Unvote, Vote: Mastermind

This is a horrible attack. If you just read my posts in isolation, you would notice that I said ZONEACE should not be lynched

THREE TIMES

before agreeing with Erg0's points. I didn't do something inconsistent.

Actually, i read your posts back, and this is not true. You DID claim that there were better lynches than Zoneace-repeating over and over that he was town, but the fact is, you never mentioned any real reasons behind this. When Erg0 made his post, you appear to have latched onto his logic, which involved meta-gaming. I'm currently highly doubtful that you have even read one of his games, but as i'm not infallible, please do refer me to the games you and he have shared.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

[quote="Yamahako"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I do not like ZONEACE, The Fonz, Celtic and

Yamahoko

[/quote]

Who is that?[/quote]NO U