In post 188, massive wrote:What's the criteria here? Why is SirCakez the "early wagon on town" but I wasn't?
This seems weirdly self-conscious. Your wagon felt like it was mostly an attempt to drag the game out of RVS, no one gave any specific or particular reasons for voting you, and it died immediately, lasting maybe two pages at most. Hardly a legitimate wagon.
The difference is with SirCakez we have people making cases on him and pushing him as scum. Aside from BBT's
61 calling you scum, I don't think this was ever the case with your wagon.
Is that supposed to imply that Firebringer isn't playing the game? If so, what gives you that impression?
My point was just that policy lynches give everyone an excuse to not scumhunt. I don't think BBT is scummy for suggesting it but it's a bad idea regardless.
In post 193, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I feel like you've asked NH a loaded question and are now trying to push them based on their answer. I don't like this at all.
Also, your wording suggests that at this time you're reading SC as scum, is that correct? Because if so, you need to explain why NH's read is forced and if not, you need to explain the line that says 'not reading SC as strongly as scum as they are'.
I don't think I ever pushed NH, I poked at them to get a reaction and develop a read. If I were pushing them I'd be voting them.
My phrasing there isn't clear though, at the time I was null on SirCakez. I wanted to emphasize that I didn't think their reasons for scumreading him were all that alignment indicative. Basically, instead of reading it as "I'm seeing him scum, but not as much as they are", which seems to be how you're interpreting it, it should be read like "I see what they're saying, but I don't think it necessarily makes him scum".
I thought their points in
83 were valid, but then their
90 was way overconfident and I don't see pro-town motivation in it. Further,
106 didn't really show any of the deeper level thinking or doubt that I was looking for with my question, it was just "he's scummy". Again, I didn't really disagree with their points about SC, but I didn't think they were as indicative as NH seemingly thinks they are in
90 and
106.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"