NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Count 6.1

Not voting (7): Golden Robster, Political Clout, pieguyn, Firebringer, Errant Parabola, JarJarDrinks, DeathNote

(expired on 2016-02-25 11:59:59)

[pieguyn]

Titus and RC would be capable of hard bussing each other the way they would have done on D3 _if_ it's Titus-slot, right?

I want to say yes, but god _damn_. I'd like confirmation on this.

[Errantparabola]

Sorry i let this game kind of slip my mind for the past week or so. I was incredibly busy and right after that, incredibly sick. But i'm back now, and so i'll be able to make more than short posts.
You're right to assume that i didnt put my time and energy into making sure pk survived the day, pieguy, cause i didnt have any of that shit to begin with lol

[Golden Robster]

being the first to claim in the way that you did isn't just "unexpected", it's actually legit risky (so many ways it can backfire), and in this case if it fails probably entirely kills your chances of winning the game.

so ya I would be kinda pissed if you went for something like that and everything aligned to make it work somehow.

I think coming out at this point is fine. I don't think he would come out unless he had info. If he was jail keeper it'd make sense that there was no kill other than the bp hood theory.

[pieguyn]

I meant claiming in that way as scum; as town it makes sense.

do either of you disagree with massclaim?

[Firebringer]

Errant you were here claim.
Then Robster
Then whoever is left.

I will disclose all my night actions after this is done.

[JarJarDrinks]

VT

[pieguyn]

is it possible RC would take personal issues into account when deciding how he would handle a scum partner? i.e. is it possible he viewed Titus as a liability and thought he'd have better odds with her *dead*?

i'm trying to figure out if there would be a strategic reason behind D3 if Titus-slot is scum and there's only 3 mafia, outside of the obvious (distancing to oblivion and hoping whoever is left can make it to the end), and i know RC has had issues with Titus in the past. if there are 4 mafia, it becomes a lot more trivial.

[Golden Robster]

claiming vt as well

i'm curious to see the high percentage of vanilla claims.

16 players; 5 vanilla townies already dead.

5 + 4 = 9/16 already out

[Golden Robster]

I meant claiming in that way as scum; as town it makes sense.

do either of you disagree with massclaim?

Difficult to say. Scum can easily go for the PR roles but at the same time, something like a tracker/jailor combo can win the game.

[Political Clout]

Vt

[Firebringer]

So just Errant claims then I will give you my actions.

[JarJarDrinks]

I predict Fire tells us he jailed Robster last night

[Firebringer]

I predict Fire tells us he jailed Robster last night

what makes you say this?

[JarJarDrinks]

I predict Fire tells us he jailed Robster last night

what makes you say this?

cause Robster is scum and there was no kill last night.

[pieguyn]

Spoiler: Zulfy/Titus (pass 1)

Out of all of dave's posts, only two contain actual statements that one could derive reads from. The rest are just a series of questions and a few fairly obvious statements.

This is him voting Dwlee. He comes in, a few pages have gone by, first thing he does is hop on the current maxwagon and give some vague reason for it.
"Scum caught for the wrong reason" - What does this even mean?
"The reaction looks like it" - uhh no, he just looks frustrated, not anti-town.

VOTE: davesaz
pedit: oh he's back

So what, you're picking someone who hasn't posted in a while to pressure?
I thought you liked your vote because you thought it was on scum.

Dwlee going apeshit over Keyser's "scumslip" is changing my view of him.

I must find this

That's too tenuous to be something that scum would be comfortable pushing, especially in the face of such an apathetic reaction to it. And even moreso with a couple of heavy posters actively calling it into question. I'm not really sure he's town, but it's enough to move him back to null.
UNVOTE:
[...]
Someone pointed out that the V/LA player wasn't posting and that it was scummy. Not paying attention but not reallly alignment indicative.

Woooahhh, first off why aren't you paying attention, secondly why doesn't this seems scummy to you (+1), lastly who was it?

[...]

Was it DN who was making such a big deal about not liking meta? I'm always suspicious of meta clears, especially mutual clears.

This is a lengthier one,

You did not answer Dave's question, Nosferatu

but there's nothing he's actually saying, he's just edging out on everyone he talks about.
[...]

I like Nosferatu and Keyser as town, they aren't antagonizing anybody in this shop full of emotional players and have come up with original arguments.

I don't know about you guys, but I read this post in the voice of the CinemaSins guy.

Maybe, add a Latino accent.

But yo hey,

don't you have thoughts on what I wrote?

The fact that there's no train of thought in his posts, and no actions in his posts either, points to the fact that he isn't interested in clearing the game, something town would want to do; thereby making dave obviously not town-aligned.

Feel free to look over any of the NY's in my wiki list, or in fact most of the games. Asking questions is how I figure things out. You should also be able to easily find a pattern where I don't assume that conventional wisdom is true. Look at how hard I jump on people for "clears" -- easiest to find if you search for "lock clear" as there is one memorable game where that phrase features a lot. It especially worries me a lot when people give very easy townreads.

I don't have to ask about train of thought, but what do you mean by no actions? I'm not one who throws my vote around, if that's what you mean.

Maybe you already answered this, but if not: What's your response to the charge that you added your vote to the biggest wagon? Why is Radiant Cowbells a scumlean?

this post initially pinged bc he gave Nos a town read based on his davesaz case, but he didn't actually evaluate the argument itself; no "I agree with this" or "I disagree" or any stance. the question at the end felt more like an afterthought with no followup. but I don't know if this post is really as bad as it looks (as in, it would not be difficult for scum to do more than he would have done here if he was scum).

RC, I asked you how you can tell when Frozen is being town vs being scummy. Share this info with the fam pls.

RC, I asked you how you can tell when Frozen is being town vs being scummy. Share this info with the fam pls.

Already did.

She relates to me differently, she's a lot less scumhunty and more sort of calling people scum and shoving lynches through, and she gets a lot more flip-out-y with her emotional reactions.

this line of questioning was never followed up on. I don't have anything else to say about this, I need it for a later post.

I believe Frozen Angel is simply a bad scum player. I initially thought it was just communication troubles but she has not improved.

I was also up for a wickedestjstr lynch cuz I thought he was SK, but there was only 1 night kill.

Of course, that's not definitive proof that there isn't an SK but I'm a little bit more insecure about it now.
Cases incoming.

Pedit: I'll be with you in a moment, RC.

I take issue with both scum reads in this post. the FA read is inconsistent. if he had really thought FA's play could be attributed to "communication troubles", what reason did he have for believing they would ... suddenly disappear on D2 ... if she was town? it is not something that would be easily fixed as he's claiming it would be here. the Wicked read is odd bc most reason I could think of for him being "SK" would just be general scum tells which would apply to him being mafia as well - it's almost impossible to actually distinguish between mafia/SK play early game, and his only given reason was him lurking, which should be as much of a mafia tell as an SK tell at that point.

what it looks like he did with the FA read was he found some bullshit reason to 180 the read after he saw a wagon form on her. that's it. I'm reading it as a purely opportunistic read.

Zulfy spends a fuckton of time on D2 pushing FA, and then pushing RC as scum with her. I take serious issue with this push in that it looked like he was forcing the RC scum read. ironically, I actually find myself agreeing with a lot of what RC said about him (it's a good thing I wasn't in the game at that point . . .). the major problem is Zulfy did not even stop

at all

to consider the possibility that RC could have been town who was hilariously wrong about FA's alignment, until RC himself pointed it out - until then it was "lynch FA, if she's scum RC is basically confscum". assuming two players are scum, at the same time, in order to push a read is a huge logical stretch I don't think makes sense from town. I would expect a town line of thought to be more along the lines of "your defense of FA is really bad/your read is bad and this is why" and then reevaluating later, not "you're scum with her so I'm going to use this as an excuse to not actually address anything you're writing about her", which is what he did and something I expect more coming from scum because it's way easier to push than actually deconstructing arguments.

I think there is strong scum motivation to play this way. it's distancing without actually distancing. it gives him an avenue to RC all he wants and generate as much RC-related content as he wants, but not actually pressure him or put him in danger of a lynch.

^all this is more the case when you consider the exchange in 995/998. Zulfy was apparently concerned with RC's defense, but

never

followed up on that line of questioning. he apparently concluded RC had to be FA's partner, based on that very succinct high-level explanation. this in particular is a huge logical leap and not a deduction I would ever make as town.

Pedit fails me again.
Nothing wrong with what I do, fro99er. Answer my question, please.

if RC flips scum would you think FA is scum?

Yea I guess. I wouldn't want to lynch RC first though. I can see RC being town defending FA. But if FA flips red then that really draws me towards scumRC. You get me?

Pedit: G-dang. I can't be the only one who sees this.
If only supreme leader was still here.

Pedit2: Let's discuss.

he actually specifically makes a point of making sure FA is pressured before RC is and rejecting an RC push as a result. which could make sense given FA was the leading wagon and RC had no votes. literally, don't know if this means something or if it is just scum trying to distance while being afraid to commit to a real scum read.

Ooh I almost forgot

davesaz, Keyser Söze, Aeronaut, Nosferatu
JarJarDrinks, Dwlee99, Fro99er,
Nero Cain, Zulfy, Frozen Angel, DeathNote,

RadiantCowbells, Wickedestjr,
pisskop, Wake88,
TheCow

Always scum in those scumleans.

My case is about FA being deadweight scum. The only reasonable defense this deadweight scum has had is your meta defense on her. Metadefense that I've chosen to disregard because you can be her scumbuddy. This makes sense to me.

The thing is centered on her though. As I said if she turns out to be town then your read on her can be explained completely by your little cybercrush.
I don't think she'll turn out to be town, tho. I think she'll turn out to be scum.
Because the only defense I can buy can also be interpreted as a scumbuddy's intrigue.

I mean, maybe I'm wrong too. I don't scumread you, but my scumread on FA depends on you being scum.

Shit's difficult.

I guess maybe you can still be town regardless of FA's slot.

Fuck mang.
This is some grade A WIFOM and I have nobody to blame it on.

Please continue listening,f olks

He mentions me more than he mentions FA for fuck's sake.

There is no need to mention FA, we have all seen her scummy ass scumming up the place.

Your entire case is predicated on my meta defense on FA.

Your meta defense doesn't make FA scum. Your defense on FA is kaputt if you can be scum. Which you can be.

So what the fuck happens if FA flips town? I'm cleared? WKing? Why couldn't I be town who was legitimately fooled by FA?

I don't think anyone can be fooled by FA. FA's no fooler. But you have a point. I'll admit I should have thought better about what happens next.

Pretty sure Zulfy's just trying to mudsling on me here and the FA part is just him adding an excuse to jump on the biggest wagon.

I do want to jump on the FA wagon, but only because she's scummy. I'd have given out my jestr case first if that's what I had walked into.

I bet you so much fucking money one of his partners told him to push on me today, because that's what he's really doing, but he's hedging his bets by voting FA?

An extremely baseless conspiracy. What the hell is this?

I don't even know.

My case is about FA being deadweight scum. The only reasonable defense this deadweight scum has had is your meta defense on her. Metadefense that I've chosen to disregard because you can be her scumbuddy. This makes sense to me.

I WAS THE REASON WE LYNCHED DAVESAZ. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS BUSSING MY PARTNERS IF THEY'RE DEADWEIGHT. ASK ANYONE IN THIS GAME.

Woooooahhhhh are you saying Davesaz was your partner???

FA AND I _ROFLSTOMPED_ 1737 TOGETHER. THE TOWNBLOC WAS US TWO, AS SCUM.

Please reword

I WOULD NEVER STICK MY NECK OUT DEFENDING MY PARTNER, EVER.

I can't just

believe

you tho

IF ANYTHING A FA SCUMFLIP SHOULD FUCKING CLEAR ME.

Yea like I said, I should have thought harder about that part.
I like where this is going tho.

OK. my issue with this push is that he is completely lacking conviction. he apparently went from being sure enough RC/FA is scum to point out preflip associations, to then backtracking on it and going "hurrdurr, I didn't think through it all the way". notably, he got a metric fuckton of blowback for the push when he made it. I don't really think he'd go from saying "An extremely baseless conspiracy. What the hell is this?" to then thinking "meh I might be wrong" in one post; usually when you say stuff like that it _increases_ your conviction, not the other way around (since from your POV the other person is just making shit up). it makes sense as him seeing his push was making him look really bad and trying to save face, though.

If her town flip can be explained as my "cybercrush", why the fuck can't my misread on scum!FA be explained as my "cybercrush"?

You're claiming that my ability to read her is impacted by my "cybercrush" on FA.

Why does that only apply if she's town?

Like this basically strikes me as an excuse to push for FA and discredit my reads while giving him an out to try not to 1v1 me after she flips town.

Either that or he's literally brain damaged.

I'm down for a lynch either way atm.

No, you're voting FA you twat.

So yeah, all that shit boils down to discrediting my defense of FA.

This needs lynch, now.

Oh btw I'm pretty sure you scumslipped.

Pedit: Yes, that's exactly right. Discrediting your defense of FA. That does need lynch!

this is the one I really really hate (as I said before). in the first place, there is literally nothing in here that could be remotely construed as a scum slip. but again, he is completely lacking conviction. he never even so much as

EXPLAINED

the "scum slip" he saw. usually if you see something like that, you're all over it trying to get people to see what you saw, since obviously if it's right you've confirmed someone as scum. he should have wanted to be drawing attention onto it, not the fucking opposite (which is all I can think of if he didn't think to so much as explain it). I don't believe he actually thought he found a scum slip here, I think he was just attempting to come up with as much shit as he could and not attempting to analyze objectively bc he knew RC was scum in advance.

And yes those are scumpoints fro99er.

You thinking they were townpoints only illustrates how little you've been paying attention to my posts.

So does that make me scum?

It means anything you say about me should be taken with a grain of Norwegian salt.
Pedit: Not scum.

Now answer me this: Why is my noncommittal to pisskop enough for you to vote for me?

Your push on FA was crap

You serious?

and your noncommittal to PK made you look like you were lightly bussing him.

How is this helping you sort me?

Why couldn't it just look like what it was? Why'd you feel the need to scumlink me to pisskop?

Pedit: Dwlee is useless.

Fro99er is the one trying to spot associatives. (pisskop and I)

So, in other words, my normal town play.

Then change it.

horrible posts here. the third one (and the general Fro9 push) is a fairly obvious contradiction, given he did the same fucking thing earlier, but I don't know if that in itself is scum indicative.

These two (PK and FAslot) can't possibly be bussing each other can they?

Who has an unshakable town read on FA? Last I checked it seemed that JJD did, because she was emotional, and that can't possibly be redirected in a scumslot.

Anyone else tho?

this is the kind of thing I wish I was actually in the game for because I fucking hate posts like this, but I see them coming from town a lot. I usually expect scum to be more likely to say things like this in order to have easy material to comment on. it might make sense in this scenario, though, given he was building up to it for a while.

YOU HAMMERED NERO???

AngryPidgeon get me out of here, this is by far the worst mafia game I have ever played

I thought this looked kinda town. he spends all game day pushing FA, who was supposedly "obvious scum" from his POV to the point where the lynch was a foregone conclusion. he comes back and finds the Nero/RC CC and that Nero got flashlynched. he gets pissed off and replaces out of frustration.

the other explanation is that if he is scum he saw it being a foregone conclusion that RC would be lynched the next day and gave up, but that is more of a stretch

I don't really get anything out of Titus' posts. my eyes were basically glazing over it by the end.

Keysor, we are lynching RC today. Period. We lynch Pisskop tomorrow. Period.

Don't get distracted.

Pisskop, VCA is my thing. You are. End of discussion. I haework.

No. miller can exist as either. And since there was no alignment in the role there no reason to believe he is confed.

can you point me to the game where you saw a scum miller? I mean I have seen scum claim to be miller but I haven't actually seen a scum miller flip it wld have to be advertised as a bastard game since it wld be misleading mod info based on roles.

wicked and wake slot are both probably confirmed town but I probably need to look up the rules and set up design for normals. it doesn't help that both slots have been lazy and apathetic but wicked did post before the end of the previous day round so there is that. we just need to find a way to get him engaged and focused.

Honestly, all the fighting and bitching sucked the fun out of it for me. It's really tough trying to make sense of the gamescape when the thread is flooded with posts and spats. Just being honest.

Help me lynch RC and Pisskop. No more drama then.

Who are you proposing we wagon instead?

I could do DeathNote, Keyser, or Mollie.

Do you think RC is scum? If so, vote her. No shiny distractions. I think Mollie is obvtown and have less than zero desire to vote her.

Note distancing from my town flip by calling me a shiny distraction as opposed to scum.

what happened to your confscum read on titus?

lemme guess you just wanna lynch whoever you can as long as they are not on your scumteam.

nos/lld you are such a nasty piece of work but I bet no1 will give a shit that you are playing directly against your wc cos I know that if you are town you wld know that I was too but by all means hide behind passive aggressive alt hiding bs

Mollie, calm down. This is a game where scum aren't going to bus unless forced to. RC and Pisskop are scum that need to be lynched by town unity. I don't know who the other scum is/are. Yelling at people and saying they are pieces of work will not be effective.

Let me guide these lynches. I trust you. Let me do this.

Hey Dwelee, I wanna make a bet with you. You vote RC. She flips red. You unquestioningly give me your vote until I am wrong. If I die, you give your vote to Mollie until she's wrong.

If RC flips green, you get my vote until you're wrong or you make me follow one townread of your choice if you're the nightkill.

Sole condition: no requiring self voting.

I am that confident I am right and that RC is scum. I want this day over no no 6000 posts.

posts like this would make sense as a RC partner; she made a serious effort to work with people to line up the pisskop lynch for post-RC flip.

[pieguyn]

davesaz, Keyser Söze, Aeronaut, Nosferatu
JarJarDrinks, Dwlee99, Fro99er,
Nero Cain, Zulfy, Frozen Angel, DeathNote,
RadiantCowbells, Wickedestjr,

pisskop, Wake88,
TheCow

Keyser and Nosferatu are strong enough town to me to call them obvious. Aero is the weakest of the strong / strongest of the weak.

TheCow is overtly avoiding doing anything. This is the scummiest behavior to me but I don't think it's the best lynch because we would only have the VCA to go on.
Wake is avoiding the thread. I've seen him do this as scum in a game. I have not looked to see if it's site wide or just this game. Yes, that would be a good thing to check.

Pisskop had a little burst of activity and faded when it didn't yield anything. I have never seen him fail to attack something as town. It might not be a good attack and I usually scumread him for it, but it's consistent. The fact he's not doing anything speaks even louder than not doing anything that I would see as scummy.

VOTE: pisskop

I don't wanna go too far into "outguess the scum" territory, but davesaz seemed very careful with most of his interactions this game. if Wake-slot was scum, would he have made sure to put an explanation for the scum read he listed which was correct? gut says yes, head says I shouldn't read into it.

[pieguyn]

Spoiler: DWLEE WAGON

I mean I don't like Dwlee very much but I can't imagine Daves being town here.

davesaz (7) - Wickedestjr, Nosferatu, RadiantCowbells, Fro99er, pisskop, Dwlee99, Keyser Söze
Dwlee99 (3) - Wake88, Aeronaut, JarJarDrinks
TheCow (1) - Frozen Angel
Frozen Angel (1) - Nero Cain
Nosferatu (1) - TheCow
pisskop (1) - davesaz

Not voting (2) - DeathNote, Zulfy

(expired on 2016-01-08 23:59:59)

16 players alive, 9 votes to lynch

davesaz (6) - Wickedestjr, Nosferatu, RadiantCowbells, pisskop, Dwlee99, Keyser Söze
Dwlee99 (4) - Wake88, Aeronaut, JarJarDrinks, Fro99er
TheCow (1) - Frozen Angel
Frozen Angel (1) - Nero Cain
Nosferatu (1) - TheCow
pisskop (1) - davesaz

Not voting (2) - DeathNote, Zulfy

(expired on 2016-01-08 23:59:59)

16 players alive, 9 votes to lynch

Can we maybe lynch Daves first?

davesaz (7) - Wickedestjr, Nosferatu, RadiantCowbells, pisskop, Dwlee99, Keyser Söze, Fro99er
Dwlee99 (3) - Wake88, Aeronaut, JarJarDrinks
TheCow (1) - Frozen Angel
Frozen Angel (1) - Nero Cain
Nosferatu (1) - TheCow
pisskop (1) - davesaz

Not voting (2) - DeathNote, Zulfy

(expired on 2016-01-08 23:59:59)

16 players alive, 9 votes to lynch

davesaz (8) - Wickedestjr, Nosferatu, RadiantCowbells, pisskop, Dwlee99, Keyser Söze, Fro99er, Aeronaut
Dwlee99 (2) - Wake88, JarJarDrinks
TheCow (1) - Frozen Angel
Frozen Angel (1) - Nero Cain
Nosferatu (1) - TheCow
pisskop (1) - davesaz

Not voting (2) - DeathNote, Zulfy

(expired on 2016-01-08 23:59:59)

16 players alive, 9 votes to lynch

davesaz (9) - Wickedestjr, Nosferatu, RadiantCowbells, pisskop, Dwlee99, Keyser Söze, Fro99er, Aeronaut, Frozen Angel
Dwlee99 (2) - Wake88, JarJarDrinks
Frozen Angel (1) - Nero Cain
Nosferatu (1) - TheCow
pisskop (1) - davesaz

Not voting (2) - DeathNote, Zulfy

(expired on 2016-01-08 23:59:59)

16 players alive, 9 votes to lynch

[pieguyn]

JJD's push on dwlee seems perfectly fine, tbh. and I went and specifically counted all those votes in between AP's votecounts, too -.-

[pieguyn]

FA, the only reason I wasn't pushing you since a hell of a lot sooner is that I'd rather continue to play this game with you in it than without.

wait, what?

FA, the only reason I wasn't pushing you since a hell of a lot sooner is that I'd rather continue to play this game with you in it than without.

wait, what?

Not sure what you want explained.

Spoiler:

RC, tell me again how this was town frozen.

Yeah, so you've just proven by asking that question that you don't understand her meta at all.

Her AtEs as scum frozen are absolutely terrible and see through and basically ignorable and she avoids pressure by bogging everything down in lengthy arguments and focuses on defending herself hyper logically while spending more time throwing out accusations than doing any sort of analysis.

She's town here, 100%.

FA can't ate this effectively as scum.

That's the end of the discussion, basically.

Try reading the Netherspite mafia in Coney Island where she flipped out exactly like this when I pressured her.

No, the one with Netherspite as the mod.

Textbook FA town.

Well, that's your prerogative.

I'm positive she's town right now though.

I've played more games with FA than anyone else on site and have yet to misread her.

Keep that in mind.

I've also actually been scumpartners with her, so I know how she operates as scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64156

Does this look like her scum game at all?

Scum FA is very rigorous and gets really invested into the logical side of things, somewhat similar to my own scum game in that she tries to leave a trail for all the shit she does but she basically doesn't AtE, at all.

As town she's really AtEy and it's hard to follow her cases as a logical sequence. This is absolutely the latter.

She did AtE like once in 37 but it was one of her scummiest lines of the game because of how poorly done it was.

I can't see her pulling off this rage thing effectively as scum at all, not against me who is particularly good at seeing through fake rage. (See: making the AFB scum team forfeit in 167 with my fake cop claim on scum)

some highlights:

She's town here, 100%.

FA can't ate this effectively as scum.

Textbook FA town.

I'm positive she's town right now though.

It doesn't sound like the only reason you didn't push her sooner is cause you liked having her in the game. It sounds like the reason you didn't push her is because you had the mother of all townreads on her.

this is exactly correct. in fact, it is a large part of the reason I got FA-slot town off of RC's ISO (he hard buddied her, for reasoning which was probably 100% genuine -> FA town, and 180'ed his read opportunistically).

if it was followed through with a significant push, which unfortunately it wasn't (or followed up on at all), I would call it here and bank JJD as town. my paranoid self is more hesitant.

[pieguyn]

I wish I had a litmus test for how scum-RC would approach town vs. his remaining partner(s) pushing him on D3.

[pieguyn]

RC self-hammered. He had a teammate on his wagon.

now that I'm back on D3 I'm putting a mental note here that I intuitively agreed with this when I first saw it. should prob double check.

[pieguyn]

Vote Count 3.17 (FINAL)

RadiantCowbells ( ) - Firebringer, DeathNote, JarJarDrinks, Titus, pirate mollie,

Nosferatu

,

RadiantCowbells

Keyser Söze

(1) -

Dwlee99

Titus (1) -

pisskop

Not voting (3) -

Wickedestjr

, Wake88,

Keyser Söze

(expired on 2016-01-22 11:59:59)

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Wake's position is noted. except I don't know if it means shit bc he had basically AFK'ed out of the game.

[pieguyn]

I thoroughly have no opinion of anything in JJD's ISO.

it reads town on a body-of-work level. but, my mind is filled with paranoid thoughts that RC was hard bussed, and that whoever scum is, rather than attempting to save her, wanted to cash it in for all the town cred it was worth (which is a style of play I will never understand and it makes it all the more terrifying - if I can save a partner, I'll save them). then my mind is filled with even more paranoid thoughts that whoever would have done it is obviously competent as scum, and would likely be able to play a scum game that looks town at first glance. with that, I'm entirely unable to bring myself to town read anyone in this game on the basis of lynching RC over anyone else D3.

nothing in here was actually specific to JJD. I should probably try again when I'm not awake at 6 AM. in the meantime, I'll approach this from the opposite side and look at how the flipped scum handled the remaining players.

[Political Clout]

Why are you certain 3 scum?