SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

[Zulfy]

You're really desperate for a mandate huh Cerb

[Varsoon]

This is what happens when I look away from the game for 12 hours.
There was never a lynch on Skybird. Please don't make me have to triple-check a thread over that sort of thing again.
I've checked this four times, so if I'm wrong and someone can illustrate that to me, please do.
Otherwise, by my count,
The votecount at the time of the Zulfy-Gladiate was:

Skybird (7):

Zulfy, Sensei, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Fluminator, The Cool Cucumbers, Drixx

The Cool Cucumbers (3):

FIRE, Yosarian2, Drunken Pirates

DrippingGoofball (2):

ZZZX, Lowkey

Albert B. Rampage (1):

FIRE

Yosarian2 (1):

FIRE

Rylai and Lina (1):

Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (2):

Klingoncelt, Skybird

[Varsoon]

There seems to be some confusion in how Voting works in this game.
If you ever do anything with your vote, all of your votes follow.
For instance, if Drixx had DOUBLE SLASH, he would have double-voted Skybird when using the tag.
If this was the case, then when Drixx unvoted, both of his votes on Skybird were removed.

If a player uses REACTION SHOT and votes for someone 4 times,
then they vote for any other player,
their four votes will be removed and only their singular vote will end up on another player.

If a player uses DOUBLE SLASH to double-vote a single player,
then they cast a singular vote on another player,
their two votes are removed and their singular vote is on the newly voted player.

[Varsoon]

"This should be lots of fun!"

-Virgil,

Mosperiburg

VOTECOUNT 3.09

Albert B. Rampage (2):

FIRE

The Cool Cucumbers (2):

FIRE

Yosarian2 (1):

FIRE

Zulfy (1):

FIRE

Not Voting (14):

Klingoncelt, The Cool Cucumbers, Drunken Pirates, Drixx, Zulfy, Shiro, Skybird, Albert B. Rampage, DrippingGoofball, Yosarian2, Lowkey, Fluminator, Sensei, ZZZX

With 14 Alive, it takes 8 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-02-18 23:10:00)

The Main Character is

Sensei

The Party is

Albert B. Rampage, Yosarian2, Shiro, and Drixx.

Spoiler: MC VC

Sensei (5):

Drunken Pirates, The Cool Cucumbers, Sensei, Fluminator, Shiro

Yosarian2 (3):

Yosarian2, Skybird, Drixx

Zulfy (1):

Zulfy

Drixx (1):

Klingoncelt

Albert B. Rampage (1):

Albert B. Rampage

All players may only vote for Zulfy or Albert B. Rampage for the remainder of Day 3.

Albert B. Rampage can not vote for the rest of Day 3, take night actions during Night 3, and have lost all passive abilities until the Day 4. All votes against him will count as double for the remainder of the Day 3.
The Cool Cucumbers can not vote for the rest of Day 3, take night actions during Night 3, and have lost all passive abilities until the Day 4. All votes against them will count as double for the remainder of Day 3

[Drixx]

I object. Please check your PMs.

[The Cool Cucumbers]

Nobody vote. I think a no lynch is the only way to deal with this at this point. Thoughts?

Drixx, you didn't use the double slash for that vote. ABR never put his vote back on Skybird. It seems pretty clear what happened.
-Cerb

[The Cool Cucumbers]

It's super shitty that it's what happened, but. :-/

-Cerb

[Varsoon]

I object. Please check your PMs.

I've scoured the thread.
I've checked votecounts since the start of the day.
I checked votecounts since my most recent one.
Even if Wgeurt's out-of-hydra vote was counted, you never hammered Skybird.

[Drixx]

Using double slash makes me a double voter. I have to activate it, but I'm then a double voter for the day. It's super clear that I viewed it that way because I intentionally waited to lay down the hammer. There's no sense in WIFOM anymore since the game mod outed to the game that I have Double Slash even though it doesn't show up in any vote count ever, and I'm super pissed off that I was told I had to activate it and then I was a double voter, and now suddenly there's some kind of semantics that make that not the case. Clearly if I thought I had to say that phrase every time I would have said the damned phrase when I wanted to hammer Skybird.

Given the clear intend

and

the mod outing my ability, I think it's clear what the right thing to do is, and it isn't what's going on right now.

[Lowkey]

Varsoon: If someone is bodyguarding another player and that player is treestumped, does the bodyguard get tree stumped instead? I'm assuming they would since you equated a tree stump to a kill but want to get clarification

[Drixx]

I object. Please check your PMs.

I've scoured the thread.
I've checked votecounts since the start of the day.
I checked votecounts since my most recent one.
Even if Wgeurt's out-of-hydra vote was counted, you never hammered Skybird.

Okay we can do it publicly:

Post #7775 it looks like this:

Skybird (2): Fluminator, Zulfy

Post #7888 Sensei votes Sky, bringing her to 3.
Post #7890 Shiro votes Sky, bringing her to 4.
Post #7898 Wguerts (TCC) votes sky, bringing her to 5.
Post #7911 DGB votes Sky, bringing her to 6.
Post #7944 Fluminator unvotes, bringing her to 5.
Post #7956 I Double vote, bringing her to 7.
Post #7962 I unvote, bringing her back down to 5.
Post #8010 Flum votes back, bringing her to 6.
Post #8013 TCC votes, changing nothing.
Post #8019 I voted, hammering.

I used the Double Slash which turned me into a double voter, so my vote is 2 votes so that's 6 + 2 = 8 = hammer.

You made it very clear that I had to trigger becoming a double voter. I did that. I clearly intended to hammer and even sent a question about it. You now seem to be saying that using the bolded phrase doesn't make me a double voter, it just makes that particular single action a double vote, which is confusing because it's not what I got out of the earlier clarification, and I am pretty sure there's ridiculous clear intent on my part to hammer with that vote, and obvious that I fully thought I had hammered her because of triggering double vote earlier.

[Lowkey]

All players may only vote for Zulfy or Albert B. Rampage.
Albert B. Rampage can not vote for the rest of the day, take night actions, and have lost all passive abilities until the following day. All votes against him will count as double for the remainder of the day.
The Cool Cucumbers can not vote for the rest of the day, take night actions, and have lost all passive abilities until the following day. All votes against them will count as double for the remainder of the day.

Alright

What the fuck is this shit?

[The Cool Cucumbers]

Can I please hear your thoughts on shooting fluminator if skybird flips town, and shooting zulfy if skybird flips scum?

Don't shoot anyone tonight. In fact, I was pretty sure that you had already promised that you were not going to do that.

I don't want you to shoot any1 tonight.

This was mollie, I discovered, in case anyone was wondering.

To answer Zulfy's question: Yes, I want a mandate. I told you I was afraid of a theoretical end-game scenario if a lynch happened on town, I shot town, and scum shot town, so I wanted clear direction to risk that, or clear direction to not shoot.

-Cerb

pedit: Lowkey, my stump ignores regular protections. I would assume a bodyguard effect is a regular protection, but I could be wrong.

Drixx: We have evidence earlier in the game that what you're suggesting wasn't the case. Sensei, on D1, used his double vote, then unvoted, then used a regular vote, then went back to a double vote for the double lynch.

pedit x2: Zulfy did an incredibly stupid thing after he thought the hammer had happened.

[Drixx]

Like we're into ridiculous semantics territory here. If you rule that I have to say the phrase every single time, then you should not have confirmed to the game at large that I actually have a double vote, because no double vote has ever showed up in a vote count.

[The Cool Cucumbers]

Drixx, please take this to PM with him. :-/

-Cerb

[Albert B. Rampage]

I object. Please check your PMs.

I've scoured the thread.
I've checked votecounts since the start of the day.
I checked votecounts since my most recent one.
Even if Wgeurt's out-of-hydra vote was counted, you never hammered Skybird.

Okay we can do it publicly:

Post #7775 it looks like this:

Skybird (2): Fluminator, Zulfy

Post #7888 Sensei votes Sky, bringing her to 3.
Post #7890 Shiro votes Sky, bringing her to 4.
Post #7898 Wguerts (TCC) votes sky, bringing her to 5.
Post #7911 DGB votes Sky, bringing her to 6.
Post #7944 Fluminator unvotes, bringing her to 5.
Post #7956 I Double vote, bringing her to 7.
Post #7962 I unvote, bringing her back down to 5.
Post #8010 Flum votes back, bringing her to 6.
Post #8013 TCC votes, changing nothing.
Post #8019 I voted, hammering.

I used the Double Slash which turned me into a double voter, so my vote is 2 votes so that's 6 + 2 = 8 = hammer.

You made it very clear that I had to trigger becoming a double voter. I did that. I clearly intended to hammer and even sent a question about it. You now seem to be saying that using the bolded phrase doesn't make me a double voter, it just makes that particular single action a double vote, which is confusing because it's not what I got out of the earlier clarification, and I am pretty sure there's ridiculous clear intent on my part to hammer with that vote, and obvious that I fully thought I had hammered her because of triggering double vote earlier.

I originally thought that Varsoon would count the Slash as a vote, and was never unvoted even if you unvoted your primary vote.

In Steven's Universe mafia, if you UNVOTE, ALL OF YOUR VOTES ARE UNVOTED.

It follows that logically, if you VOTE, ALL YOUR VOTES ARE COUNTED IN THE DOUBLE VOTE.

I GTG NOW PEACE

[The Cool Cucumbers]

Again, we have evidence that that isn't the case for anyone who was paying attention D1.

-Cerb

[The Cool Cucumbers]

"I had hoped we could be friends and rule this region together."

-Rastaban,

to Asellus, Facinaturu

VOTECOUNT 1.27

CooLDoG (6):

DiamondSentinel, Drunken Pirates, Albert B. Rampage, Sensei, Sensei, Skybird

Klingoncelt (3):

Yosarian2, Itlepip, MaxwellPuckett

Fluminator (2):

Gale Wing Srock, CooLDoG

Sensei (2):

BIT, DrippingGoofball

Itlepip (1):

Klingoncelt

Skybird (1):

Fluminator

Albert B. Rampage (1):

FIRE

DrippingGoofball (1):

ZZZX

Drunken Pirates (1):

Zulfy

Not Voting (5):

Drixx, ErrantParabola, Rylai and Lina, The Cool Cucumbers, Lowkey

With 20 Alive, it takes 11 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-01-25 14:10:00)

The Main Character is

Drixx

Spoiler: MC Vote

Sensei (10):

Itlepip, Drunken Pirates, Rylai and Lina, Zulfy, Diamond Sentinel, ZZZX, CooLDoG, Skybird, Gale Wing Srock, Yosarian2

Albert B. Rampage (4):

Albert B. Rampage, DrippingGoofball, Fluminator, Lowkey

Drixx (4):

Drixx, MaxwellPuckett, The Cool Cucumbers, Klingoncelt

Lowkey (1):

Errantparabola

"Shingrow's ruins are one of the hottest spots around. Check 'em out."

-Native,

Shingrow

VOTECOUNT 1.32

CooLDoG (7):

DiamondSentinel, Drunken Pirates, Skybird, Itlepip, Drixx, Zulfy, Klingoncelt

MaxwellPuckett (5):

Sensei, Yosarian2, Albert B. Rampage, CooLDoG, Gale Wing Srock

Sensei (2):

BIT, DrippingGoofball

Albert B. Rampage (1):

FIRE

Itlepip (1):

MaxwellPuckett

Skybird (1):

Fluminator

DrippingGoofball (1):

ZZZX

Not Voting (4):

ErrantParabola, Rylai and Lina, The Cool Cucumbers, Lowkey

With 20 Alive, it takes 11 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-01-25 14:10:00)

The Main Character is

Drixx

Spoiler: MC Vote

Sensei (11):

Itlepip, Drunken Pirates, Zulfy, Diamond Sentinel, ZZZX, CooLDoG, Yosarian2, MaxwellPuckett, Klingoncelt, Drixx, Skybird

Albert B. Rampage (7):

Albert B. Rampage, DrippingGoofball, Fluminator, Lowkey, The Cool Cucumbers, Rylai and Lina, Gale Wing Srock

Lowkey (1):

Errantparabola

Clear evidence of how it works in this game. Something stupid happened, people made dumb assumptions, let's fucking move on and stop bothering Varsoon over our own incompetence.

-Cerb

[Zulfy]

This is great news.

This is what happens, ABR. You were desperate to have my powers wasted but theyll end up lynching you.

Cucumbers are rbed, can't vote.
Neither can ABR.
VOTE: ABR

[The Cool Cucumbers]

We're in this shitty ass situation, how do we resolve it?

-Cerb

Zulfy, unfucking vote right now.

[Drixx]

Mechanics Semantics (especially when multiple people are obviously confused and there are multiple posts in here and in the MC party chat showing that the intent was to hammer and I in fact had the ability to hammer) should never get in the way of the actual intent of the players.

[Zulfy]

I promise to never ever use my powers again unless town is in agreement. With ABR's shenanigans out of the picture I dont have to worry about getting screwed over again

[Zulfy]

Scum is so salty rn

[Lowkey]

Varsoon: If someone is bodyguarding another player and that player is treestumped by a player who ignores "regular protection", does the bodyguard get tree stumped instead? I'm assuming they would since you equated a tree stump to a kill but want to get clarification

Ebwop

Not even sure if you're allowed to answer this in it's newly edited form but it's hard to really word this correctly to get a proper answer.

TCC: I thought he was just an RB or had a rolecop. This is ridiculous. I got the ability where I live and die for someone and I don't even know wth they are. Yet he got some OP dumbass 1v1 role JoAT? Dude...the rnjesus is not with me this game.

Zulfy, no. This is quite literally your own fault. If you really want to go through with a lynch and keep pushing ABR, I'll happily just remove you right now so I don't have you around in endgame.

[Drixx]

If Varsoon doesn't do the right thing, you will be the one dying today Zulfy. In what delusional world are you living in that you think you can do what you did and then manage to survive it?