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In post 20, ShortcutButton wrote:well that was easy.
Trying to get an easy mislynch, scum?
UNVOTE:
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In post 24, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I feel like tojam should be gaining votes for his awful self-vote.
Where are the votes?
Was actually waiting for tojam to reply after your vote on him before I said anything about him, but I was actually watching him for a different reason - the fact that he needed to explain that he was using a RNG for his vote on himself. Nothing completely concrete, just that it gives me a bit of a weird feeling.with a chainsaw.-
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In post 47, ShortcutButton wrote:I think he said he wouldn't allow this lynch to go through right up there.
Seems to me that he was saying "Do you really think I'd let this wagon go through?"
And she responded, "Well I don't know, scum would. Are you scum?"
Scumclaims everywhere! This game is funny. Going to wait till more people confirm, or we're not getting much information with this so far.
I'm kind of seeing Nino's point about BBT's policy lynch suggestion, though I'm not sure if it's a scumtell. Pg2 implications of viable lynches before half of the players have even confirmed just doesn't sit well with me.with a chainsaw.-
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I'm curious. Do you find BBT's mention of a possible policy lynch on you scummy, or are you just annoyed by it (but think it is a null tell)?
Because by asking another player about what they think about BBT seems to suggest you find him suspicious somehow. So I repeat the question: Do you think BBT is scum?with a chainsaw.-
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In post 70, RadiantCowbells wrote:Kirroha/BBT are my primary scumreads atm.
On the basis that I asked questions about BBT? I'm feeling uncomfortable about his suggestion of Nino as a possible policy lynch, so I would be more than happy to vote him if he wasn't already at L-2. I'm curious as to whether Nino considers the same suggestion a scumtell, because that would reaffirm what I'm feeling from his post (i.e. trying to get a soft wagon started on Nino on the basis of 'policy'). Nino had 2 votes on her at that point, so I'm not buying BBT's implied "a wagon isn't going to start on you anyway" excuse.
Can't get much of a read on anyone else yet. I like Nino, though.with a chainsaw.-
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In post 69, I Am Innocent wrote:You are aware I'm voting BBT right?
Only just noticed.
I'm wracking my head right now wondering just what kind of pro-town motive can there be to BBT 'claiming scum' this early in the game. I'm not putting him at L-1 yet though, in case a new player comes in and random hammers. We need more input.with a chainsaw.-
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5 votes on me already? Not cool man, especially with the new confirmees jumping in without reason.
Syndesis explain.
Good job with the misrepresentation. That was an RVS joke vote, and it was on someone onNino'swagon, not BBT's.
The ones who are sheeping Radiant and jumping from BBT to me right away are all not looking good, but looking even scummier are those who hopped in and voted me for no reason.
VOTE: ink for the blatant misrepresentation of my post. That's scummy as hell.
Gonna look back a bit more in the meantime, and off to work.
xiang'cao'nong'minwith a chainsaw.-
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In post 54, kirroha wrote:I'm kind of seeing Nino's point about BBT's policy lynch suggestion, though I'm not sure if it's a scumtell. Pg2 implications of viable lynches before half of the players have even confirmed just doesn't sit well with me.
Just to clarify, this is referring to BBT's suggestion to policy lynch Nino, not concern over a potential lynch of BBT. Suggesting to policy lynch a newbie is never a good thing and BBT doesn't sit well in my books for doing that. But I was also curious as to what Nino thought about BBT afterwards, which was why I asked.
In fact, the fact that BBT's wagon shifted so quickly elsewhere all of a sudden makes me think that there was scum on his wagon (and now on mine). First distance, then shift targets to a mislynch. This is if BBT is scum.with a chainsaw.-
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Ink is looking better to me after the series of posts, plus the fact that he's been looking into my (admittedly very bad) meta pegs him as townlean. UNVOTE:
Regarding Shortcut's question, Syndesis was scummy for voting for me without reason but ink moreso at that time because of the fact that he pinpointed BBT as town without any reason to do that. That and the fact that he misrepresented my post.
Though, ink, for someone who's been digging into my past games, you must've realised that the last game I've played was in early 2014, when there was only nighttalk. My so-called "fake townslip question" you are eyeing is genuine. In my first game I was also lynched for an alleged 'fake townslip'. I was VT. Maybe I'm just a shitty player, but because of that being accused of fake townslips just aggravates me. But anyways, I'm more interested in talking about this:
One silver lining about being the usual D1/D2 town lynch (which, sad to say, I still have no idea why it keeps happening. I just usually ask questions and lightly pressure people early in the game to see reactions and gather information) is that after a while I tend to see patterns about my wagon.
A few things I've noticed henceforth were these:
- The people spearheading my wagon with reasons of their own tend to be town.
- The people who defend me tend to be town as well.
- People who sit on my wagon without a definite reason tend to be scum. (i.e. Syndesis)
- People who seem to like my wagon but don't vote for me tend to be scum. (Shortcut?)
Because of this I don't particularly like how Syndesis and Shortcut are looking right now. Syndesis has only posted 2 posts so far, which are essentially "Hi, so many posts to read through lol" and then voting me with no explanation.
Shortcut has been relatively active but flitting in here and there and not making any reads. The fact that his vote is still on Nino even though he seems to have more likely candidates by now bothers me.
VOTE: Syndesis
FOS: Shortcut
If you have to lynch me D1, pay attention to my wagon after I flip. I'm inclined to peg those who have strong reasons for or against my wagon as town, while those flitting uncertainly in the middle as scum.with a chainsaw.-
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In post 115, ink wrote:I actually read some of kiarrhoea's past games
Would you mind being a bit more civil though? I know this is mafia and all and things get heated but you don't have to resort to name-calling. Thanks.with a chainsaw.-
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See, I fail to see how it's not scummy to put someone at L-1 without any concrete reason. Why the hell am I a better lynch than BBT?
Call me a bad player all you want, but at least I'm TRYING to find scum.
I've crumbed my role early in the game but I'm not claiming until someone explains to me how I'm scummy when I'm pretty much one of the only ones trying to actually find scum. Jesus Christ.with a chainsaw.-
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In post 136, ShortcutButton wrote:Oh shit I was about to vote her. Since BBT hadn't read anything it looks like that would've been a quickhammer had I voted before. Good thing I didn't. Thanks me!
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In post 149, RadiantCowbells wrote:BBT/Kirroha team easy.
If that's what you think then you shouldn't mind lynching the hell out of BBT first.with a chainsaw.-
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You were the one who started the wagon shift from him to me first though. Why?
In post 138, kirroha wrote:In post 136, ShortcutButton wrote:Oh shit I was about to vote her. Since BBT hadn't read anything it looks like that would've been a quickhammer had I voted before. Good thing I didn't. Thanks me!
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Still not liking this quote from Shortcut. Bearing in mind that I said right before he posted that that he was suspicious for being tentative about voting me.with a chainsaw.-
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Going to go back and read all the new posts. In the meantime, I'll respond to implosion's post first.
In post 228, implosion wrote:As for kirroha 128 doesn't really make me feel much either way on her. Her softclaim is really scummy. I guess I'll wait for her to say more about it but I'll probably just explain it if no one else does and if she isn't willing to just claim it because if i could figure it out then a coordinated scumteam certainly can. Like there's yet another reason why this play makes no sense as town. I figured out the softclaim in like five minutes of looking. The entire point of a softclaim is that scum can't figure out what you are. Kirroha is a 2009 player who's making cogent arguments; I hate to invoke burden of proficiency but I would not expect Kirroha to make such a sloppy play as town, whereas it makes plenty of sense as scum (which, again, I'll explain if Kirroha refuses to hardclaim, but I'll give her a chance to if she wants).
I need to clarify something.All I revealed was that I crumbed my role early in the game, and everyone started going back and trying to figure out what was it that I crumbed and making speculations (which are all wrong). I stated quite clearly that my crumb is in plain sight, but is impossible to figure out unless you know the language. I have deliberately also made it a crumb that isn't Google Translateable either, so that nobody will be able to tell what it is until I have to explain the crumb myself. Essentially, the crumb will only make sense after I am forced to claim.I did not softclaim anything.
This is so there is no way my crumb or the fact that I have a crumb would give any kind of extra information to scum.Instead, it is a way for me to inform the rest of the town that I had aconsistentrole from the beginning, something which scum is unlikely to have. It doesn't necessarily mean a PR softclaim. I could've crumbed "vanilla townie" for all you know.
So I don't get your argument in that it isn't a legitimate action for me to take as town.
@Regarding me as a 2009 player: I just need to clear it up that I have only played 4 games on this site so far - 2 in 2009 and 1 in 2014. In all of them, I was either lynched early, or the game ended early for any other reason. While I'm not trying to excuse being a tentative or bad player, I hope you can consider this fact before anyone points out the fact that I don't play very well as being scummy because "if I'm town I would be better at this since I'm a 2009 player".
Anyway, Shortcut's latest posts are extremely scummy. He's my top scumread at the moment and I will explain why after I ISO him. Please tell me I'm not the only one who is seeing this.
VOTE: ShortcutButton before I start my analysis.with a chainsaw.-
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In post 216, implosion wrote:I figured out the softclaim.
No, no you did not.
Can I please reiterate thatmy crumb was in a language other than English. If you managed to find some other "crumb" in my posts then you're just seeing something which isn't there. My crumb was not in English.with a chainsaw.-
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Okay, time for an analysis. Shortcut is my top scumread right now because of how:
1) he flits from here and there with no actual reads,
2) subtly defends a few players in a way that can't be chalked up to an actual defense but is meant to shift focus from them nontheless,
3) keeps his vote parked on Nino (an RVS vote) all the way until I stated that I read his indecisiveness as scummy,
4) upon which he happily shifted his vote to me - with no reason,
5) and dismissively stating that my read on him was a "weak statement".
Vote-Hopping for a scummy reason
Original vote on Nino, first post. He kept it parked on her throughout until my post 128, where I was suspicious of Shortcut, upon which he immediately said this:
ShortcutButton wrote:In post 130, NinoMasaki wrote:VOTE: Syndesis I agree that this is a better wagon to push (In My Honest Opinion). Who comes in, says nothing and jumps on the biggest wagon they can see?
People wishing to apply pressure.
Oh shit I was about to vote her. Since BBT hadn't read anything it looks like that would've been a quickhammer had I voted before. Good thing I didn't. Thanks me!
Bear in mind that this was right after my post (128) stating that I was suspicious of Shortcut for flitting about. He makes no actual remark regarding what he thinks of my actual post, but then immediately states that he wants to vote me (which he later did when my wagon lost a few votes).
Why would Shortcut suddenly want to vote me, when he didn't do so before? Did he suddenly find me scummy after my post? No, he said nothing of the sort. I saw no reason for him to actually decide to vote for me apart from the incredibly scummy thought process of "Oh shit, she thinks I'm suspicious for not voting her, well I better vote her."
In post 197, ShortcutButton wrote:VOTE: kirroha
placing my vote where the scum is
You don't like my quote? What a weak statement.
Then he voted me here, after a few people decided to unvote me. Without actually addressing my very fair dislike of his quote, because like I've mentioned above, what he's saying in his quote was essentially "Well I want to vote for you now that you mentioned I was scummy for not voting you". It is a very justifiable reaction to his sudden, unwarranted change in mind. If he thought he was scum from the beginning, then why didn't he place his vote on me from the very beginning? Why only AFTER I stated in post 128 that Shortcut is scummy for not voting me?
Other little tells which I didn't like from Shortcut:
In post 47, ShortcutButton wrote:I think he said he wouldn't allow this lynch to go through right up there.
This subtle attempt at deflecting attention from BBT.
In post 136, ShortcutButton wrote:People wishing to apply pressure.
This subtle attempt at deflecting attention from Syndesis, after Nino was suspicious of Syndesis for coming in and hopping onto the largest wagon.
Again, these two tells might mean many things. But what I'm actually feeling from them is that it's not a very towny defense to make.If Shortcut was in fact town I see no motive from trying to reduce the pressure on BBT and Syndesis by speaking on their behalf, and instead he should just simply wait for them to come in and defend themselves instead so that town can get more information on BBT and Syndesis' alignments. Whereas scum on the other hand would happily
1) subtly reduce pressure on their partners, if they are scum, or
2) subtly try to get on a townie's good side, if they are town.
Does nobody else think Shortcut is terribly scummy for this? Please tell me I'm not mad.with a chainsaw.-
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In post 167, Killthestory wrote:My scumread on BBT is waning when I think about it more, however. Scum has the pretense of feeling cautious in these type of scenarious, and disregarding any meta a scum member theoretically would not bring himself to such attention unless, frankly, he's bat shit crazy or a good player.
I think this is definitely a null tell. How friendly or silly or jokey a player is depends quite a lot on how well they know the people around here. BBT who seems to know Radiant, yourself, Radko etc. would naturally be more jokey than a new player like Nino or someone who hasn't been here in 2 years like myself.
In post 209, Rubixxx wrote:
Kirroha:
A slight scumread for me if only because of Nino's defense of her. It seems odd to me how fast her wagon piled up, though. I feel like scum is both on her wagon pushing it for an easy lynch and defending it for the towncred once she flips. Really, really not liking this push against her at all.
Okay, what? You think I'm scum because Nino is defending me (i.e. you think I'm scum because ofsomeone else's actionswith regards to me). And you think scum is on my wagon. How does that make any sense?with a chainsaw.-
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In post 234, Syndesis wrote:I'm pretty sure your crumb isn't as good as you think it is
Maybe not. But I'm fairly positive that implosion got it wrong.
So your opinion is that a possibly sloppy early game crumb would make me scum?
Don't really like your reasoning on me in #200 still, but at least it's a reason. Shortcut is way scummier at this point.with a chainsaw.-
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In post 255, Rubixxx wrote:In post 230, kirroha wrote:Going to go back and read all the new posts. In the meantime, I'll respond to implosion's post first.
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I need to clarify something.All I revealed was that I crumbed my role early in the game, and everyone started going back and trying to figure out what was it that I crumbed and making speculations (which are all wrong). I stated quite clearly that my crumb is in plain sight, but isI did not softclaim anything.impossible to figure out unless you know the language. I have deliberately also made it a crumb that isn't Google Translateable either, so that nobody will be able to tell what it is until I have to explain the crumb myself. Essentially, the crumb will only make sense after I am forced to claim.
This is so there is no way my crumb or the fact that I have a crumb would give any kind of extra information to scum.Instead, it is a way for me to inform the rest of the town that I had aconsistentrole from the beginning, something which scum is unlikely to have. It doesn't necessarily mean a PR softclaim. I could've crumbed "vanilla townie" for all you know.
So I don't get your argument in that it isn't a legitimate action for me to take as town.
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In post 231, kirroha wrote:In post 216, implosion wrote:I figured out the softclaim.
No, no you did not.
Can I please reiterate thatmy crumb was in a. If you managed to find some other "crumb" in my posts then you're just seeing something which isn't there. My crumb was not in English.language other than English
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait. Hold the fuck on.
I looked at all of your posts. I didn't see anything that was not English. Are you admitting to putting hidden text in one of your posts? You know that's against the rules, right? Not to mention, EXTREMELY scummy. You just got moved to the top of my scum list, bambina.
Uhhh no. It's in the same text size text color etc as the rest of my text. And in plain sight. You clearly did not read all my posts.
I'm not going to talk anymore about my crumb in case you're scum trying to fish information about my role.with a chainsaw.-
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So you admit that you know I'm telling the truth but you want to lynch me anyway. Cool.
Why the hell would you want to lynch a player you know is town? Seriously why?
Whatever man. Lynch me today. When I flip town, there'll be little to no info about where to start on D2. And on N1 probably some PR is going to die thanks to you outing me. Town deserves to lose this one. I want out of this game.
Sorry I play shitty and mt scumreads not polished! But I have to start somewhere! And at least I'm trying to find scum whereas people like BBT and Syndesis are just hanging around in the background doing nothing. And people like Shortcut are so incredibly scummy they are way better lynches. Why do I always get lynched D1 as town god damnit.with a chainsaw.-
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And you somehow think it is likely, as scum, that I will lock myself into a vanilla claim so early in the game? Vanilla is the single worst claim for scum, esp D1 when just about any other claim is possible to fake. Nobody holds back on a VT lynch like you already demonstrated and I have seen in countless games. You can say that's WIFOM but that's still a poor tactical choice. Especially since one of your reasons for scumreading me is that I'm a 2009 player.
You honestly think it was more likely that I, as some kind of scumtastic mastermind and in some insane ploy decided to make a deliberately terrible crumb and pretend to be all innocent and clueless about it to divert attention, than just being a rusty semi-newbie townie who simply doesn't know better, has never crumbed before, and is trying her best?
At least wait till Day 2 to lynch me this time, please. I'm tired of this. I get no chance to learn how to play because I always get fucking lynched.with a chainsaw.-
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In post 279, implosion wrote:That's just not true. If you claim anything other than vanilla townie on day one as scum, you have to explain why you're still alive on day two.
Yeeaaaaahhhhhh I'd reckon as scum I'd rather survive till day 2 and attempt to force a power role to counter-claim than to lock myself into the VT position when it's clearly going to get me lynched because nobody fucking likes VTs. Especially dumb ones like me who don't know how to play apparently.At least I'm trying.Sigh.
I still think Shortcut is scum (see this post). Tell me what you think please, implosion. I don't really want the town to start D2 without any leads and with 2 people down.with a chainsaw.-
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In post 279, implosion wrote:VT is an extremely strong claim as scum; it throws you into a massive pool of indistinguishable players and forces the town to use scumhunting to discern between them, and scumhunting is always fallible.
Yeah I kind of doubt that as scum, if I've already been pinpointed as being incredibly scummy by 8 different people (as I Am Innocent pointed out), would think that crumbing VT would "throw me into a massive pool of indistinguishable players". As scum, I would probably have thought of myself as a lost cause and claimed cop or JotF or garbage collector or whatever other role it can take for me to survive 1 more day and hopefully get a PR to counter-claim to make it easier for my buddies. Why lock myself into a course of action that I clearly cannot scramble out of? Why the hell would I do this as scum?
And don't mention WIFOM. This is clearly avery very poor tactical decisionand even if you think I'll still do that on behalf of me not being a good player, surely as scum I'd have buddies in daytalk or something to talk me out of it.
@Rubix: Don't worry about it.
@Nino: How are you this nice damn it.with a chainsaw.-
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implosion wrote:*completely deciphers it despite not knowing pinyin*
Syndesis wrote:*ur crumb is not as smart as you think it is*
ink and I Am Innocent wrote:*probably figured it out too*
NinoMasaki wrote:*saw it from the very beginning but was too nice to mention it until now*
Yeah okay my first time crumb was shit everybody but the imaginary reader in my mind saw it. Go me.
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In post 314, Raskolnikov wrote:Fair enough. I was looking at it with a focus on kirroha herself, and I saw nothing wrong with waiting a bit longer to make my move, or if she stayed scummy saving my vote so I can choose to hammer
On principle I think getting claims out that early is a bit careless (because you want to out as few roles as possible d1d2) but then again I'm not that good at this game so maybe I'm just wrong here.
Wait, wait, wait. So you admit that you were willing to hammer me, 3 days into the game day, when there are still 12-13 days before the deadline? Attempting to end the day so early is hardly a towny thing to do.
Yes, getting claims out so early is never a good thing. That's why I shouldn't have made such a shitty crumb. That was bad play, sorry.
@ink: I'm starting to see what you mean by Killthestory's sudden flopping over to defending me the moment the wagon started to turn being really weird. I'll be happy to join you on that wagon for now but I want answers from Shortcut and Radko first. Shortcut is a great lynch today imo.
I want everyone quiet to chip in please. I think it should be about time to start making reads lists, which I'll do so soon.with a chainsaw.-
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In post 314, Raskolnikov wrote:Fair enough. I was looking at it with a focus on kirroha herself, and I saw nothing wrong with waiting a bit longer to make my move, or if she stayed scummy saving my vote so I can choose to hammer
On principle I think getting claims out that early is a bit careless (because) but then again I'm not that good at this game so maybe I'm just wrong here.you want to out as few roles as possible d1d2
Uhh, just wondering guys, but am I just nitpicking too much or is his use of the word "you" to refer to town a bit strange? Not to mention an admitted willingness to hammer a player 2 days into the game without reasons for his scumread.
@tojam2: I never insulted any player (and I expect other players not to insult each other either). Can you give us an opinion on what has been said by everyone please? Tell us what you think of Ink's suspicion of Killthestory 315, Killthestory's suspicion of the Ink/Innocent combo 336, and my opinions on Shortcut 232, instead of just brushing off every argument as an attack against another player?with a chainsaw.-
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In post 136, ShortcutButton wrote:
Oh shit I was about to vote her. Since BBT hadn't read anything it looks like that would've been a quickhammer had I voted before. Good thing I didn't. Thanks me!
In post 197, ShortcutButton wrote:VOTE: kirroha
placing my vote where the scum is
You don't like my quote? What a weak statement.
In post 361, ShortcutButton wrote:The one game I've read of BBT, he was crazy active and pushing everything as Town. Here it's like a complete difference and lurking/active lurking? Idk all these terms fully and don't really care to know but what I do know is this shift of BBT's personality.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bbt
Oh hello, Mr. "Always-Jumps-on-the-largest-current-wagon-with-one-line-of-garbage-reasoning".
Why is this scum not lynched yet?
PEdit: (w.r.t. implosions post)
implosion I can spend an hour explaining why the heck a very badly made VT crumb+claim would make no sense coming from scum at this point in time, but I don't see the point of that right now. I think you're definitely tunneling, possibly moreso since you seem to think VTs are disposable. But just to reiterate how your theory about me being scum who just cleverly engineered this whole game doesn't make any sense:
-> Your entire theory is based on the fact that I failed to see how obvious my crumb was, which would not have happened as scum wherein I obviously would have put the crumb before my scumbuddies to check how obvious it is;
-> Your entire theory is also based on the fact that I claimed VT because it's the 'best claim to hide myself within a sea of townies' and save my own skin, when such a claim would have fallen apart at the merest Cop/Gunsmith check. If that was my purpose I'd have claimed Miller or Macho Townie w/ gun or something, or even Cop. VT makes no sense as a claim at this point in time, not at all tactically, and if I had scumbuddies they would have told me that.
-> Surely if I was smart enough to do all this convoluted shit I'll have been able to avoid being scumread in the first place?with a chainsaw.-
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I get your case, which is that I'm scum trying to go for a 'safe crumb' to stall my wagon without having to commit to having any kind of PR. What I'm saying is that it doesn't make behavioural, logical or tactical sense when you think about it. But fine let's drop that for now. I'm still waiting on Shortcut.with a chainsaw.-
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My previous post was for implosion.
In post 383, I Am Innocent wrote:Kirroha what's ur read on killthestory?
I didn't have any kind of read on Killthestory, but I get what you mean that his swap from scum!Kirroha to VI!Kirroha was way sudden and I also see no real basis for it. But I still did kind of find his attempts at getting people to pitch in quite genuine. Furthermore, I'm not sure why scum!Kill would want to pick a fight with an Ink/Innocent duo because I can't see what he can potentially get out of it. So I am still not sure about what I'm feeling about his slot. Yet I think at this point I'm damn well convinced that Shortcut is scum and that if Kill is scum too, he'll be scumbuddies with Shortcut.
And wrt Shortcut/Kill:
In post 201, Killthestory wrote:
In post 197, ShortcutButton wrote:VOTE: kirroha
placing my vote where the scum is
You don't like my quote? What a weak statement.
And yet you choose not to respond to it?
What a weak defense
So everyone who's shitting around should either replace out or start contributing since it's not in town motivation, and everyone who's complaining about those shitting around should do the same as well
Kill has pointed out one of my beefs with Shortcut, which is that he doesn't really respond to anything and just dismisses everything.
In post 248, Killthestory wrote:
In post 247, ink wrote:I'm null on BBT, so if we nearly run out of time I'd vote him over kirroha. It doesn't have to be a two-wagon thing though, I think there's a fair chance of them both being town.
I'd prefer to lynch one of Killthestory, RadiantCowbells or ShortcutButton.
That's not to say that I agree with the points kirroha raised about ShortcutButton, they're terrible.
Interesting, so you cHoose not to list your own reasonings for the lynch but then call the other person's terrible all the while not even explaining why?
And then you have another explained lynch and then me, which I failed to see how any of your points regarding me were even decent.
Question, do you think Ink's top lynches would be viable mislynches for scum to push?
Anyway I've responded to everything regarding myself, so I'll respond to other shit later when I'm off mobile and not as medicated.
But on the other hand Kill tried to imply that a Shortcut lynch would be a mislynch that scum would be trying to push.
With that said I can potentially see a Shortcut/Kill combo but it's very faint. Innocent, do you think a Shortcut/Kill team is likely?
Also Ink, why did you not agree with my reasons for voting Shortcut 232?with a chainsaw.-
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I find it kind of strange that even though generally quite a lot of people seem to agree that Shortcut might be a viable lynch today, it's so hard to form a wagon on him. On the other hand, wagons on BBT and me happened so quickly it's ridiculous. That alone is making me even more inclined to think Short is scum.
Essentially, if a lynch happens way too fast on D1, it's probably town, or scum being bussed. Either way we're playing into scum hands. That's making me iffy about lynching BBT.with a chainsaw.-
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Innocent, I still don't quite see what's so scummy about Kill. I know you have a case on him but I just can't seem to understand it. As far as I know, he scumread me then suddenly changed it to a VI read without any explanation, which is pretty darn scummy, but apart from that he's seemed relatively townish to me in his behaviour (demanding activity, etc), so I would really like it if you can explain to me what is it I'm not seeing. I will be happy to jump on the wagon with you if I can be convinced of your reads.
Maybe it's because I've stepped away from this game for a while, but I don't feel as assertive about my reads as I originally was. Like even the Shortcut slot is starting to make me feel uncertain. Damnit. If TaishoGal does not show up in the next 1-2 days though, I want to lynch her pronto.with a chainsaw.-
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In post 608, Expedience wrote:I thought that Rubixxx's constant appealing to real life circumstances to justify his scummy behavior was ridiculously scummy, as well as unethical.
Not all new players are town.
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Okay Radiant that's the fourth vote you've put on BBT today. So do you really see BBT as scum or is this just one of those flirting sessions that inevitably occurs whenever you and BBT are in a game together?with a chainsaw.-
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In post 641, implosion wrote:Yeah I don't want this day to end yet. Especially with a lynch on someone who's posted once.
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It's near the end of the day. Shortcut was the only consistently scummy read I have so far. I'm not moving my vote without good reason. And most people only came on this wagon late anyway, because we're all under time pressure to get a lynch done - it was never a wagon that could be kept up for very long, which makes me more confident about this read. I'm not letting Taisho get away by just not posting.with a chainsaw.-
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Mmmm Kill may not be playing the best but I'm finding it quite hard to think of him as scum at this point. It's mostly just a behavioural read though. On the other hand, I can see how scum would behave in the way Shortcut and Taisho did, so I'm not switching wagons unless absolutely necessary. Sudden wagon changes 2 days before deadline rarely end well and I'm going to be VERY sour if Kill flips town and Taisho was scum all along.with a chainsaw.-
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