California Trilogy - Dantès in Fresno (Game Over!)

[Skruffs]

Wait, that came out wrong.
I don't want IH dead because he understands me, I want him dead because he's scum, but now he realizes the basis behind my reasoning. That sounds a LOT better.

[foolinc]

It's getting close to the deadline, so I guess am going to have to claim. I was hoping for something to happen so I could see another day of this game, but there isn't a chance in hell of that happening now. I'm Doctor d'Avrigny, our doctor. My secret word was faked, which I have used both days.

FYI, I orginially protected Battle Mage, but switched to LML thinking that the mafia would try to get a Battle Mage lynch day 2.

Go town.

[MrBuddyLee]

obvious questions start of D2 should have been:
* was cubs and/or his alter ego insane
* who handled end of D1 inappropriately
* why two names on the nametag--beware nameclaims

mgm votes logicticus out of the gate, striking in that his suspicions are nearly identical to the previous day's despite the death of two innocents.
skruffs bizarrely lays claim to a power role
tamuz, petty vote doesnt address main issues listed above
skruffs omgus vote
gaspar and lml overreach on how obv cubs' innocence was, in an attempt to implicate non-voteshifters
xyxxy ganked, joins in on the "easy" criticism of Mgm
VitR reasonable again, and good but brief suspicions list
CES congratulates dayvig on killing town *raises eyebrow*
gaspar asks CES about an extra dayvig, curious question, not sure how an answer would yield info AND not put a vig at risk.
LML pushes Mgm for a terrible, limited reason, i think he's off on IH
IH sounds a little flippant about wanting people dead
IH also casting overblown aspersions on LML, is this OMGUS scumminess or vindictive overzealousness
sucks up to Glork, shocking vote on LML
dani silent vote on mgm
gaspar curious assessment of IH since IH has gone from good to sketchy start of D2
vitR also backwards on IH
Thesp with 7 comments I agree with
tamuz with a better post explaining a vote for skruffs
talitha solid observation and vote
zindy solid post and good list of suspicions
logicticus solidly on the money all the sudden, it's like he sniffed ammonia and had a moment of clarity
pooky pops in, i disagree with him on log and that's about all he says
IH pitches some shit re: LML, log that I really don't like
a dead page or two after Mgm's claim, people flailing
Gaspar attentive to foolinc, good observations about bases for suspicion
LML also jumps on foolinc, decent argument
DP too easy on Adele, but I like the rest of his assessments besides Talitha.
LML good observations
VitR solid again
foolinc finds his attacker townish--looks a little like appeasement
lml names foolinc SK, thesp uninterested
talitha treading water
pooky on foolinc with no explanation, sees skruffs as benign
foolinc persuaded by gaspar, unvotes skruffs
banani really not contributing, consistently under the radar
debate about Mgm's docfishing/discussion
tamuz only talking about skruffs, expresses willingness to nail foolinc
gaspar ok with dani, which is odd, thesp calls him on it
zindy reappears, good post, noticed what i did about DP
dani defensive, not pushing any lines of new questioning. incurious
lots of blahblah about nk analysis 6 days before deadline
IH bitches about LML but unvotes, he's not even on his list anymore...
CES chirps at me, he misread what i was saying.

note: the question is to foolinc or not to foolinc, and while it's cool to discuss other people, i don't see nearly enough narrowing of focus to resolve that question and prepare for the aftermath of a lynch. for later: see who FAILED. scum nervous to defend or scum avoiding saying anything that might clear him?
foolinc subtly moves adele to #2 for a stated reason that doesnt jive with reality: it's a survival vote.
talitha now sitting the fence on foolinc--honesty, protection or leaving options open as deadline approaches? note: read tally+fool later
CES first good observation in a while--on Dani. defends mgm, who's an alternative to the fool lynch. keep an eye on this in case mgm turns up scum.
skruffs terrible reason for lynching IH.
LML attacks pooky for fairly trivial shit, 3 days to deadline
fresninian nonsense and attempts to pin blame not compelling or terribly scummy
IH megapost, smells better. Mgm, skruffs his targets
need to see if VitR is avoiding important debates... his pithy comments are always chosen for max agreeability.
mr. grey in the condorcet >.>
skruffs complains to pooky, protown tone
dani dinking around about a lyncher 2 days before deadline
tally, mgm prefer IH to foolinc, mgm not showing self-preservation there, somewhat protown

[Thesp]

In fact, I would posit that the first person to bring up Secret Words would be more likely town, since they would theoretically be willing to discuss it with ZERO reservations about it getting them in trouble.

I disagree with you so very, very much.

the first time, Thesp was the lyncher w/ me as the target, the 2nd time, Talitha was the lyncher w/ me as a target

I don't ever remember a game where I was lyncher with you as the target. I remember a game where I was the lyncher and you

thought

the whole game you were the target, but MoS was the target in that game.

Am I the only one who notices that foolinc is calling it incorrectly a PASSWORD repeatedly? I'm even more happy now with my vote.

I think this is worth noting. Actually, I think it may be

more

notable that logicticus adopts his wording.

So, I like how you add in still. When had you expressed abject suspicion about me before?

I thought I had voted you previously, had I not? I think you're the most likely to be scum - the discussion about nightkills was distracting from that.

I see several people saying they're getting a pro-town view from IH. I'm getting quite the

opposite

, and don't see where that's coming from. At all.

I'm liking MBL more than his predecessor, and there are several I'd rather see lynched ahead of him now.

Vote: IH

, Dani Banani, Cogito Ergo Sum, logicticus, MrBuddyLee, foolinc, [Gaspar, Tamuz, Zindaras], [Dragon Phoenix, Mgm, Skruffs, Talitha], PookyTheMagicalBear, [LoudmouthLee, VitaminR], No Lynch, Thesp

[Thesp]

Ack, I should use Preview Panes better. Revoting, based on claim:

Vote: IH

, Dani Banani, Cogito Ergo Sum, logicticus, MrBuddyLee, [Gaspar, Tamuz, Zindaras], [Dragon Phoenix, Mgm, Skruffs, Talitha], PookyTheMagicalBear, [foolinc, LoudmouthLee, VitaminR], No Lynch, Thesp

[MrBuddyLee]

Apologies for the format of my pbpas--if I took the time to express in paragraph form I wouldn't be done in time to make a difference today.

My first instinct is to buy the claim. More on that in a bit.

Things to investigate now:

* Is Dani really avoiding important issues or am I imagining that? Who else avoided: a) the cubs/lml/jeep bonanza b) the foolinc dilemma
* IH seems alternately insightful and sleazy. ADD or scum?
* Are fixations avoidant? (Tamuz, Skruffs, etc)
* Is VitR solid or selective?
* get a read on foolinc and see who I think agreed with me before the claim.
* take another look at yesterday, who was overblowing the jeep/BM case?

Need a few isolated reads, then I'll nail bad dudez.

[Skruffs]

Hmm. Foolins claim, cupled with his first post talking about poison, and such, coupled with Doctor D'avrigy 's actual role in the book, makes me a litle bit doubtful.

However, ther's no way I can justify trying to lynch a claimed powerole, even if I'm suspicious of the play behind it.

Plus, he claims to be from the book, which gives him credence in my eyes.

i hate my cell phone

[Talitha]

Posting to remove foolinc from my condorcet, and switch MBL & Pooky on a whim

vote: Dani,

IH, MrBuddyLee, Pooky, Skruffs, Tamuz, [all other options]

[LoudmouthLee]

Will expand tomorrow morning.

Vote: IH

, Pooky, Tally, CES, MGM, MBL [everyone unlisted], [Gaspar, Zindy, foolinc], NL, LML

[Dragon Phoenix]

My gut feeling is that the claim is bogus, but I am not willing to lynch a claimed doctor just yet. Going back to suspect number 1:

Unvote

Vote Dani Banani

, Mgm, Cogito Ergo Sum, [Adele, Gaspar, Pooky, Talitha, Tamuz], [IH, Logisticus, Skruffs, Thesp, VitaminR, Zindaras], Foolinc, LML, DP, no lynch

[Mr. Grey]

Deadline:

Approximately 29 hours from this post.

Vote Count:

9 to lynch.

IH: 4 (LoudmouthLee, Mgm, Skruffs, Thesp)
Mgm: 4 (foolinc, logicticus, IH, Zindaras)
MrBuddyLee/Adele: 2 (Dani Banani, VitaminR)
Dani Banani: 2 (Dragon Phoenix, Talitha)
foolinc: 2 (Gaspar, PookyTheMagicalBear)
Skruffs: 2 (Cogito Ergo Sum, Tamuz)
No Lynch: 1 (MrBuddyLee/Adele)

Current Condorcet Winner:

Mgm

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[Mgm]

FYI, I orginially protected Battle Mage, but switched to LML thinking that the mafia would try to get a Battle Mage lynch day 2.

I would just about buy it if you said it was the toss of a coin, but I don't get this.

Exactly how do you think they would get a bandwagon like that going? If he was really the investigative role he said he was, the night would give him information that would help clear him. Not exactly the best of targets for a lynch.

[MrBuddyLee]

unless i missed it, you say absolutely nothing about my posts, and very little about MoS' posts, yet you have me as 2nd on your list since xyzzy is dead... why?..

Dani Banani, you've got me as FIRST on both your lists and you've said nothing about me. You've got foolinc SECOND on both your lists and have said NOTHING about him either.

This isn't about hypocrisy, it's about you not playing the game. I lynch people who are lazy and who lack curiosity, because those traits bely the fact that you aren't uncertain about alignments for the most part.

And to be perfectly honest, you don't look the least bit curious.

[MrBuddyLee]

IH, can you please post your gut feelings on foolinc, Mgm and Skruffs? Preferably without using the thread as a reference? Also, can you please post a link to a completed game where you played well as scum?

CES, you're not opposed to a foolinc lynch and demanded his claim even though he isn't on your condo list. Can you please clarify how you felt about him (and why) before his claim and whether or not you're inclined to believe his claim? Also:

I can see a real dayvig taking out xyzzy though, as a result of a desire to avoid the deadline rush that plagued Day 1. If you kill him early, then the town has all the time in the world to find a new lynch candidate.

Wouldn't a dayvig worry to some extent about a cop investigation clearing xyxxy? Or the possibility that he's a power role with results to share? Vigging start of day seems like a terribly reckless venture to me, and it's interesting that you didn't consider that before pooh-poohing the idea we have an SK afoot?

[Talitha]

Wouldn't a dayvig worry to some extent about a cop investigation clearing xyxxy? Or the possibility that he's a power role with results to share? Vigging start of day seems like a terribly reckless venture to me,

Any

vig would worry about those things, but they do (and probably should) kill anyway. Unless they actually claim and express their intention to kill someone shortly, there's not a lot that can be done about it.

For those who are voting Mgm, I would like to hear your opinion on his claim.. do you think Eugenie was a safe claim provided by the mod, or a fake claim that Mgm researched and planned to make right from the start of the game, hoping that no-one else had that role?

Or is there another possiblity that I have not thought of? Because I don't think that either of the two scenarios that I mentioned are very likely.

[Talitha]

Oh I thought of another one - ... or do you think he actually

is

Eugenie, but Eugenie is scum?

[MrBuddyLee]

Vote: Adele

, foolinc, Tamuz, Dani Banani, Talitha, logicticus, [Skruffs, IH], [Zindaras, LML, Gaspar, Thesp] [Pooky, MGM, Dragon Phoenix, CES]

IH, [Thesp, Talitha, Zindaras], Logicticus, [Dragon Phoenix, PookyTheMagicalBear], [Tamuz, Adele, Dani Banani, foolinc], Skruffs, Gaspar, VitaminR, Cogito Ergo Sum, No lynch, LoudmouthLee, Mgm.

VitR, you trust Mgm significantly. His suspicions are about as different from yours as can be. Can you explain what it is about him you trust this game, and why you think your suspicions differ so greatly?

I believe foolinc is either the doctor or was given the safeclaim of Doctor d'Avrigny. The offhand way in which he speculates about the doctor in his intro post is weak confirmation that this is his identity.

Skruffs, what about D'Avrigny from the book is suspicious to you? He seems like a relatively decent guy.

foolinc, I understand why you changed your mind about Skruffs. What made you decide to trust Dani Banani?

[Mgm]

I believe foolinc is either the doctor or was given the safeclaim of Doctor d'Avrigny. The offhand way in which he speculates about the doctor in his intro post is weak confirmation that this is his identity.

He speculated about so many rules in his opening post, that it really doesn't tell us anything. By your logic, he could also get weak confirmation for being a lover, a roleblocker, an SK, etc.

[MrBuddyLee]

Continuing the speculation, we also have a possible doctor in D'avrigny

I'd argue that talking about "speculation" immediately before mentioning his own role is a sloppy coverup.

[MrBuddyLee]

Mgm,

IH, Zindy, Talitha and Thesp have rocketed to the top of your condo. I understand the evolution of your opinion of Zindy. Can you please explain your growing suspicions of IH, Thesp and Tally?

Also, why do you trust Dani Banani?

[Skruffs]

I researched the name, and skimmed through the book for every instance of his name.
He was a doctor yes, but he never actually healed anyone, far as I can tell. He was villefort's personal 'death sceptor', and wound up leaving his employ if villefort would not reveal the secrets as to why his family was being poisoned. Yes, poisoned.

Now I haven't read the book so I could be wrong - maybe I Should, some night, because it seems like a timeless classic, but D'aborigine (as far as I can tell) wound up being more of a coroner rather than a life saving doctor, back when the chick was poisoning people. In a way - I would say - the role would have been better as an investigative role of some sort - or as an antidoter, preventing the poisoning of others.

This is, again, an uncultured view, but you asked my opinion so I gave it.


Talitha's last post kinda blows IH's theory wide open. Why would scum fake claim to be from the book if they are the only people who are actually from the book? THey would be fake claiming to be from Frezno. And, with the opposite of that situation...

[Mgm]

Mgm,

IH, Zindy, Talitha and Thesp have rocketed to the top of your condo. I understand the evolution of your opinion of Zindy. Can you please explain your growing suspicions of IH, Thesp and Tally?

Also, why do you trust Dani Banani?

IH has moved towards the top for propagating his characters from the book are scummy theory, together with the fishing thing. (If I remember correctly Skruffs claimed that he was accused of fishing when IH was really the one starting it. He's just rubbing me the wrong way in general. The reason he is at the top of my list is a combination of self-preservation and foolinc's claim making it a bad move to lynch him today - provided he has a satisfactory answer to my question.

To comment on the progression Thesp and Tall made, I'd have to go back and see how they moved across my Condorcet today, but I think a lot of it was based on gut feelings piling on top of each other as the day went on. Of course, moving likely innocents or bad lynch choices down the list, means others move up automatically. I think neither made that much of a jump; they were already in the mid-class to begin with.

[Tamuz]

Placeholder post. I guess I went over 48 hours without posting again, even though it really didn't seem that longs. Mr. Grey may be hallucinating.

Off to closses though, not much I can do about it but skip, and that'd be stupid.

[MrBuddyLee]

Vote: Dani Banani

, CES, Tamuz, Pooky, MGM, Gaspar, Skruffs, IH, logicticus, Thesp, Zindaras, Dragon Phoenix, Talitha, VitR, LML, foolinc

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

MBL, I probably should've moved foolinc up to the same level of Mgm. That would've better reflected my suspicions. I should also note that my demand for a claim was mostly motivated by the proximity of the deadline.

I'm inclined to believe his claim at this point.

About dayvigs and daySKs, what Talitha said, but also: cops don't often come out to claim innocents on people day 2. Your objection doesn't even mesh well with a SK, for that matter.

If Mgm is scum, Eugenie is most likely a fake claim.