Mafia 68: Ork - Game over!

Mastermind of Sin · Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:00 am

FoS: Yos2

You don't know Guardian very well, do you? Just becuase you "seen scum get frustrated and ask to get replaced quite often", that has no bearing on whether or not Guardian would do it. This whole argument from you sounds like bullshit.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:11 am

Mastermind of Sin wrote:
FoS: Yos2

You don't know Guardian very well, do you? Just becuase you "seen scum get frustrated and ask to get replaced quite often", that has no bearing on whether or not Guardian would do it. This whole argument from you sounds like bullshit.

Well, unless I've forgotten one, I don't believe I've seen him as scum yet in a forum game. (Please correct me if I'm wrong about that, Guardian). So I'm not trying to metagame Guardian specifically, because I can't really do that well unless I've seen him as both town and scum, so I'm speaking in general terms; and in general terms, I don't think getting frustrated and asking to be replaced is a tell either way.

Mastermind of Sin · Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:36 am

I believe it happens slightly more often for town than scum, although not much stock should be put in it either way. My point was, if you were going to put any weight in it at all, it should lean towards the protown side.

Kinetic · Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:57 pm

MOS:

Statistically it'll happen more often for town than scum because there are more town than scum per game, so on a purely random basis, yes, more town replace than scum...

Mastermind of Sin · Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:47 pm

Yup. That just supports my argument even more.

Khelvaster · Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:20 pm

I'm wondering right now why Guardian wouldn't even try to get away with a fake claim.

Shanba · Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:15 am

Mastermind of Sin wrote:Yup. That just supports my argument even more.

No it doesn't :S

Mastermind of Sin · Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:41 am

IF TOUWN ARE ALREADY STATISTICALLY MOURE LIKELY TOU REPLACE THAN SCOUMZ, THIS SOUPPOURTS MY ASSERTIOUN THAT ANYOUNE WHOU REPLACES IS MOURE LIKELY TOU BE TOUWN, DOUH! GIVEN MY THEOURY THAT TOUWN GET FROUSTRATED MOURE OUFTEN THAN SCOUMZ, IT C'PLES WITH THE POUINT KINETIC BR'GHT OUP TOU MAKE MY ARGOUMENT EVEN MOURE COURRECT.

TAKE THAT, SH'NBA!

Shanba · Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:43 am

Mastermind of Sin wrote:IF TOUWN ARE ALREADY STATISTICALLY MOURE LIKELY TOU REPLACE THAN SCOUMZ, THIS SOUPPOURTS MY ASSERTIOUN THAT ANYOUNE WHOU REPLACES IS MOURE LIKELY TOU BE TOUWN, DOUH! GIVEN MY THEOURY THAT TOUWN GET FROUSTRATED MOURE OUFTEN THAN SCOUMZ, IT C'PLES WITH THE POUINT KINETIC BR'GHT OUP TOU MAKE MY ARGOUMENT EVEN MOURE COURRECT.

TAKE THAT, SH'NBA!

Phail. His point was that there are more town than scum, therefore more town replace than scum. If 3/12 town get replaced and 1/4 scum, that's still the same ratio. It therefore doesn't support your point at all.

Mastermind of Sin · Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:46 am

3 > 1, THEREFOURE MOURE TOUWN REPLACETH THAN SCOUMZ, WEOURE NOUT TALKINGETH AB'T RATIOUS, WEOURE TALKINGETH AB'T NOUMBERS, STRAIGHT OUP.

Shanba · Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:49 am

...

ratios are what you need to determine whether it's a towntell or a nulltell. If everyone random votes, 9/9 town and 3/3 scum random vote. You wouldn't then say that random voting was a towntell. That would only apply if the ratio of town players random voting was larger than the ratio of scum players random voting. The same logic applies here.

Shanba · Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:49 am

EBWOP: Math>you

Mastermind of Sin · Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:50 am

PERHAPS THATOUS TROUE, BOUT Y' FOURGET THAT THE REST OUF MY THEOURY BOUMPS Y'R RATIOUS TOUWARDS THE TOUWN ANYWAY.

Shanba · Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:53 am

Yes, but Kinetic's point doesn't support your argument. I get pedantic about these things

Khelvaster · Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:00 am

Shanba's math is made of win. Don't even try to argue it. All your base is belong to him.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:33 am

Mastermind of Sin wrote:I believe it happens slightly more often for town than scum, although not much stock should be put in it either way.

Well, I don't. Thhhbbbppp.

Heh...seriously, it dosn't sound like we're far off from each other here; I think it's about the same odds, you think town might be slightly more likely to but not enough of a difference to put much stock in it. So if we disagree by that small of a margin, why are you FOSing me over it?

And Shanba beat me to the point about how you were wrong about the mathmatics thing, heh.

Gorrad · Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:55 am

Khelvaster wrote:Shanba's math is made of win. Don't even try to argue it. All your base is belong to him.

QFT

Khelvaster · Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:59 pm

I want to say something about Shanba:

Shanba is almost definitely town in this game. I've played in a game where he is scum, and he literally told me that his playstyle, as scum, is to viciously attack his scumbuddies. This was true; he got me and my partner lynched d1 and d2, respectively. This game he's been quite mellow, so I'd definitely put the odds on him being town.

Shanba · Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:31 pm

Khelvaster wrote:I want to say something about Shanba:

Shanba is almost definitely town in this game. I've played in a game where he is scum, and he literally told me that his playstyle, as scum, is to viciously attack his scumbuddies. This was true; he got me and my partner lynched d1 and d2, respectively. This game he's been quite mellow, so I'd definitely put the odds on him being town.

Heh. Much as I appreciate having evidence brought up to support me, I will say that I wouldn't bus my scumbuddies every game, or I'd be predictable. Tapioca Mafia was somewhat exceptional, most games I'm more subtle about it. But it is mostly true.

ShadowLurker · Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:15 am

Prods going out soon !!

Post or you get prodded soon !!

PS. I think we won the award for most amount of pages before first lynch. LO2 was 42

Khelvaster · Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:43 am

ShadowLurker wrote:Prods going out soon !!

Post or you get prodded soon !!

PS. I think we won the award for most amount of pages before first lynch. LO2 was 42

We haven't won the award for most amount of pages before night 1 though

. That would be in the 60's.

Mastermind of Sin · Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:09 pm

Mafia 64 and Mini 458 both have this game beat, to say the least. Shadowlurker is dreaming. Shit, he's so proud of his page record, and a freaking mini game beat him. Lolz.

I agree that Shanba is probably protown. That being said, we should stop talking about which power role is most likely town, and worry about finding scum, cuz it feels like all of us are just spamming around right now. I don't even remember who I suspect anymore.

Khelvaster · Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:10 pm

I know! How about we find something we all agree upon:

Whoever we lynch, we make Kinetic pardon. Then the vig NKs our lynch!

CoolBot · Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:19 pm

It's simple: lynch Khel. His plan is nothing more than scum scrambling to save himself while encouraging the doc to out himself. He's also tried to deflect the wagon to Guardian with dubious logic.

Gorrad · Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:19 am

I still have strong scum reads on both, but Guardian's idiotic lack of logic has really made me want to lynch him first. I really didn't find Khel's logic dubious. I found his claim, lack of claim, then specificly saying his strategy (and therefore ruining it) very scummy too, but at least he's been logical in his scumminess.