⭐ Blitz 20 — How To Be Normal [Game Over]

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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:03 pm

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DAY 1. VOTECOUNT 07.

eight. indefinitely postpone game flavor with a short blurb like this

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Ranger

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Xtoxm
— Spiffeh, pisskop, droog, Some Random Mafia Player
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Some Random Mafia Player

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droog
— KTthecreeper
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The Bulge

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— The Bulge
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— 3dicerolling, GuiltyLion
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— Xtoxm
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— Ranger
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— davesaz

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— Almost50

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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:57 pm

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Pretty surprised at scum reads on me but it seems universal so okay I guess, must have made a bad impression.

pisskop i'm not sure what you want addressed but here goes. You mentioned it was opportunistic. This was because it was the 3rd vote? I actually didn't realise you had picked up 2 RVS votes. The statement itself - that you usually have a bigger impact - Well, most (possibly all) your games with me you have replaced in at a developed stage and immediately started spamming. I was aware of the difference, however that game was fairly stalled for a Blitz so I was just picking on something minor, mainly for reactions to help me get some reads and get the game moving. I guess it was successful in that respect, just not the way I had intended.

Spiffeh's concern:

In post 67, Spiffeh wrote:Like the way he's emphasizing that it's a serious vote makes me think he wants everyone to know that he's contributing.


The emphasis was for pisskop to know it was serious and see if he reacted in a town way. By the time I made I didn't feel pisskop had notably towned so I left it on. Since then, notably his reaction to the death, I actually do find pisskop town.

VOTE: unvote

Coming to the death, I think the bulletproof day-SK theory is the most likely. If it's a day-vig scum power in addition to a night kill ability then it's almost certainly a 1-shot thing and it would be a reckless waste to use such a power so early. pisskop you mentioned me using it as a distraction - I have more confidence in my play than that. And it clearly isn't an effective 'distraction' as my wagon has grown since it happened. I think it's more than safe to assume scum of some sort caused the death though, if it does turn out to have been a town day vig i'll be furious.

Reads.

Ranger - I have a mild scumread here. I feel she has been lot more chatty about things not related to scumhunting. She has posted a couple name lists, which is really easy to fake and on it's own does little for me. She has been very chatty about setup discussion, and made a fairly detailed response when I asked about other games, but has done very little in the way of actual scumhunting for the amount of posing she's done. I've not had a chance to look at the scumgames yet but i'm not expecting that to have a major impact on my read at this point in the game.

GuiltyLion i'm initially liking for town due to and this comment:
In post 126, GuiltyLion wrote:Xtoxm wagon is better but I also feel like Xtoxm would have stronger scumplay than this


As the votes on my wagon go, Spiff and pisskop's feel like genuine scumreading. Droog and SRMP's don't strike me in the same way, and I think the reasoning SRMP gives for a 4th vote on my wagon is really poor.

In all, this is where i'm at:

Town reads (most of them mild)
GuiltyLion
davesaz
3dice
Spiffeh
pisskop

Not town reads
Some Random Mafia Player
droog
The Bulge
KTthecreeper
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None of those lists are in any kind of order.

I can expand on any of the reads if people want.
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:04 pm

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I'd quite like to get a wagon going that isn't me.

I am finding KT really underwhelming, in all of his posts, he has made no attempts to scumhunt and is pushing droog-slot over for replacement.

VOTE: KT
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:38 am

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In post 176, Xtoxm wrote:Pretty surprised at scum reads on me but it seems universal so okay I guess, must have made a bad impression.

pisskop i'm not sure what you want addressed but here goes. You mentioned it was opportunistic. This was because it was the 3rd vote? I actually didn't realise you had picked up 2 RVS votes. The statement itself - that you usually have a bigger impact - Well, most (possibly all) your games with me you have replaced in at a developed stage and immediately started spamming. I was aware of the difference, however that game was fairly stalled for a Blitz so I was just picking on something minor, mainly for reactions to help me get some reads and get the game moving. I guess it was successful in that respect, just not the way I had intended.

Spiffeh's concern:

In post 67, Spiffeh wrote:Like the way he's emphasizing that it's a serious vote makes me think he wants everyone to know that he's contributing.


The emphasis was for pisskop to know it was serious and see if he reacted in a town way. By the time I made I didn't feel pisskop had notably towned so I left it on. Since then, notably his reaction to the death, I actually do find pisskop town.

VOTE: unvote

Coming to the death, I think the bulletproof day-SK theory is the most likely. If it's a day-vig scum power in addition to a night kill ability then it's almost certainly a 1-shot thing and it would be a reckless waste to use such a power so early. pisskop you mentioned me using it as a distraction - I have more confidence in my play than that. And it clearly isn't an effective 'distraction' as my wagon has grown since it happened. I think it's more than safe to assume scum of some sort caused the death though, if it does turn out to have been a town day vig i'll be furious.

Reads.

Ranger - I have a mild scumread here. I feel she has been lot more chatty about things not related to scumhunting. She has posted a couple name lists, which is really easy to fake and on it's own does little for me. She has been very chatty about setup discussion, and made a fairly detailed response when I asked about other games, but has done very little in the way of actual scumhunting for the amount of posing she's done. I've not had a chance to look at the scumgames yet but i'm not expecting that to have a major impact on my read at this point in the game.

GuiltyLion i'm initially liking for town due to and this comment:
In post 126, GuiltyLion wrote:Xtoxm wagon is better but I also feel like Xtoxm would have stronger scumplay than this


As the votes on my wagon go, Spiff and pisskop's feel like genuine scumreading. Droog and SRMP's don't strike me in the same way, and I think the reasoning SRMP gives for a 4th vote on my wagon is really poor.

In all, this is where i'm at:

Town reads (most of them mild)
GuiltyLion
davesaz
3dice
Spiffeh
pisskop

Not town reads
Some Random Mafia Player
droog
The Bulge
KTthecreeper
Almost50
Ranger

None of those lists are in any kind of order.

I can expand on any of the reads if people want.


you do actually know, I was only voting you so you could start talking, and I clearly stated that, why are you trying to say it wasent actual scumhunting and thats scummy when I never voted you for being scummy? My lynch on you never came from scumhunting, it came from your 3 posts all game and im trying to make you decent posts. It worked as you posted this.

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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:41 am

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Well, at that time of my 3rd post that was about par for the course. No one had really done anything yet. Then I was away from my comp when the actual posting starting. I'm not planning to just lurk and avoid contributing all game. But, ok. Your immediate unvote does seem like a town reaction.
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:09 am

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In post 107, 3dicerolling wrote:You set up your post with the intent of getting someone to jump on.

The way you set it up was to strawman anyone who voted you afterwards, regardless of what reasons they gave. That is evident by the fact that you did it even though I provided no reason at all.

You aren't trying to figure out my alignment, you are trying to strawman me, and it's pretty scummy.


Read 90 again while reading back, and im pretty sure 90 was a joke if anything, no reason to build a case on it. But thats what you did here. Why try and build a case on someone using a joke post as proof?
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:45 am

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VOTE: KT

Running out of voting options and it's either him or Spiffeh for now, so I'm opting for the one who has been absent for longer than they should. No real case on him though.
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:52 am

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Running out of voting options is a weird thing to say, please elaborate.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:59 am

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In post 182, davesaz wrote:Running out of voting options is a weird thing to say, please elaborate.


Ranger & SRMP are strong town reads for me (Ranger based on meta, SRMP based on content and interactions in this thread).

Xtoxm is the largest wagon, yet I still don't have something strong against him. In fact; based on his most recent activity I'm leaning town on him. I'm also -more or less- leaning town on The Bulge, davesaz, pisskop & GL.

That leaves me with droog (who is being read as town by more than one), 3dicerolling (my strongest scum read, but Ranger's strongest town read), KTthecreeper & Spiffeh. So, practically it's either of KT & Spiffeh if I'm going to place a vote leading to a lynch. I won't be lynching someone I'm town reading, and I won't be able to make a successful push on my favourite lynch when they're being read as town by Ranger.
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:54 am

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Almost50 - what meta leads you to have Ranger as a strong townread? Can you explain that with specifics?
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:56 am

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Kind of agree. Almost 50, do you feel comfortable splitting the baby between town an scum Ranger?
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:13 am

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I've just finished a game with Ranger (admittedly my one and only experience with her so far), and she played exactly like this. She was town, I suspected her all along and eventually got her lynched in the day before last. I'm not going to make the same mistake twice in a row. davesaz was also in that game (and we both lived to the very end) so I think he will understand where I'm coming from more than anybody else. Addressing the rest of you though; I won't say she is "confirmed" town to me, but "strong" town read is fair in my view.
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:39 am

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In post 186, Almost50 wrote:she played exactly like this.


^this idea is what I'm trying to get at though - what does "playing like this" mean? What is Ranger doing that reminds you of that past game? And then why do you think scum!Ranger couldn't fake it?

Like I feel like your argument here could be used any time a player mislynches another player in a past game, and I'm not sure if it's scum!Almost50 using a past game to buddy up to Ranger, or town!Almost50 with weak reasoning.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:43 am

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oh so gl is town
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:01 am

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In post 187, GuiltyLion wrote:what does "playing like this" mean?


You'll have to check her first few posts in that game to get what I mean. It's #2 on my wiki page, so you won't get lost.

In post 187, GuiltyLion wrote:And then why do you think scum!Ranger couldn't fake it?


Because I don't think scum!Ranger would be this bold in defending her reads the way she does.
OK, let me put it this way: I don't feel like voting Ranger today. I would rather wait to see her on D2 before I decide if she could be anything but town-aligned, because if she is town then she's a GREAT ASSET to us, and I don't want to lose that for no reason.

In post 187, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not sure if it's scum!Almost50 using a past game to buddy up to Ranger, or town!Almost50 with weak reasoning.


To be frank, I don't quite get the "buddying" technique and I never intentionally use it. I simply call it as I see it, and the way I see it is Ranger did nothing different to her style when she was town.
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:11 am

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[/quote]Because I don't think scum!Ranger would be this bold in defending her reads the way she does.[quote]

but we dont know if they are reads or a bunch of names in random order, if they were reads they would have reasoning. Wheres the reasoning?
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:14 am

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All aboard the Xtox-Box Plox
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:16 am

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In post 191, pisskop wrote:All aboard the Xtox-Box Plox


Do you not like his latest post?
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:18 am

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I was meh on it. Genuine-sounding apologetic-things are not exactly game content nor has he made a move to become townread.

It amounts to a variety of AtE without adding anything to the gamestate.
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:21 am

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In post 193, pisskop wrote:I was meh on it. Genuine-sounding apologetic-things are not exactly game content nor has he made a move to become townread.

It amounts to a variety of AtE without adding anything to the gamestate.


I do like the openness of it though.

It doesn't have to be 100% solid to look town imo.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:22 am

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Xtoxm, what about 40 makes you think guilty is town? I see nothing to make him town there, and what you actually show us is him not scumreading you. How does him not scumreading you + 40 make him town? I don't see it at all.
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:28 am

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In post 190, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:but we dont know if they are reads or a bunch of names in random order, if they were reads they would have reasoning. Wheres the reasoning?


NO. That's what I'm trying to say. She does NOT provide reasoning. She posts her reads just the way she did. I even did a comparison in my joke post (). The reads format was exactly the same in her previous game with me.
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:30 am

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In post 196, Almost50 wrote:
In post 190, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:but we dont know if they are reads or a bunch of names in random order, if they were reads they would have reasoning. Wheres the reasoning?


NO. That's what I'm trying to say. She does NOT provide reasoning. She posts her reads just the way she did. I even did a comparison in my joke post (). The reads format was exactly the same in her previous game with me.


Then how the fuck do you townread them for it?
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:19 am

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Are you scum reading her?
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:12 am

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KTthecreeper has requested replacement.
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