NY 193 : Werewolf Mania (GAME OVER- TOWN WIN)

[BlackStar]

@keyser I only just noticed that your avatar is Amy Santiago lol. You made some good points. The entire situation surrounding Ika and Silverwolf has made me uneasy for a while now.

[Keyser Söze]

Ika had 4 votes on him. My worry is that he realized the heat on him was growing and fakeclaimed seer to out the real seer.

Sorry, I'm not seeing it. I do not sense that ika was under that intense pressure (I'm not seeing the need to play survivalist). Here were the votes on ika's slot:

Spoiler: votes

VOTE: ika

While I agree JarJar sucks as a character, getting ika sorted is priority for me.

Oops EBWOP


Alright, let's get this thing sorted then.

UNVOTE: JarJarDrinks

VOTE: ika

Back to this.

VOTE: ika

@ika Okay, you want me to vote again?
VOTE: ika I think its weird that you're already so willing to trust in silverwolf. He hasn't proven himself as town but as soon as he said I seemed off you voted for me. Either you're scum partners or you're just an opportunist scum who used his post as a chance to start a wagon on a townie. Yes, I know that its not a wagon yet but that's what it looks like you're doing.

p-edit: That's how I always am...

vote:ika

I'm joining this wagon until I feel like killing someone else.

Alright, then. You asked for it.

VOTE: ika

As you can see there were few votes with a strong scum-case on ika - thus, town-ika or scum-ika should not have been forced to roleclaim in fear of their slot being under threat.

I fear this is bad play by town-ika

. If scum-ika has fakeclaimed, he has no long-term strategy, as the real seer would inevitably counter-claim/flip.

[Fraggernaut]

Vote Count 1.6

ika (4) - Xkfyu, Blackstar , PhantomCobalt , Albert B. Rampage
JarJarDrinks (2) - SnarkySnowman, Golden Robster
Ricastle (2) - TheBlueRose, Radiant Cowbells
TheBlueRose (1) - Keyser Söze
Nero Cain (1)- ika
I Am Innocent (1)- Almost50
Blackstar (1)- I Am Innocent
BeBopAReBopRhubarbPie (1)- Nero Cain
SnarkySnowman (1)- Ricastle
Albert B. Fampage (1)- JarJarDrinks


Not Voting (2) - BebopAReBopRhubarbPie, Zulfy

With 17 alive it takes 9 to Lynch.

Deadline is Feb, 1st, 2016 at 3:49 PM EST.

[TheBlueRose]

Okay so I'm going up from the beginning of where I left off to now. I'll stop as I see things so they could have been answered or so as the pages go on. But for now this is some stuff I'm finding.

First of all in regards to the tornado that was Ika and Nero and the whole mess with them and Silver. I already stated my discomfort with their continuous stating of each other "knowing one another's play" and stating a town read on each h other without any actual information to support that. I was willing to put it to the side for a moment before, but now no. Now I'm not 100% sure on the seer claim at the moment. I do feel it was absolutely unwarranted and unnecessary to claim though. With the accusation against nero from both Ika and Silver that he "forced the claim"? Seriously what would have forced that? It was a bunch of bickering back and forth then a sudden claim. That is how I saw it. And then after a moment and being judged on his claim he basically dares anyone to cc. Which there was none except Nero's earlier (fakeclaim?). So if it is a ruse then I'd guess either there is a seer but they are choosing to stay low for now or there may not be that specific role in this game. (Since the claim I realized I need to read up on what roles are what and do what in werewolf because this would be my first werewolf game and I have little knowledge on the types of roles there are.)

Also I really like Ricastle ' post against SilverWolf's post who spoke about meta shouldn't be strictly followed due to the ability of it changing. Yet reading over it and what Ricastle pointed out was Ika acting very similar in his play when he was scum in that particular game. What was SilverWolf trying to prove with that post exactly?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=64698 Scum

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=64575 Town

Please be careful assuming you know someone's alignment based on meta as people can manipulate their meta.

Oh, so this post did happen.

I don't know what you were trying to prove here, 'cause all this shows is that ika's behaviour here matches his recorded scum meta with you. That'll be a scumread for him too then I think.

Another thing IAI points out a mistake in the VC and just addresses it, casually and in honest curiosity from my eyes. Then Ika jumps in and calls Nero scum for what was just a mistake with the VC? To me it felt as if he was trying a desperate escape to divert some attention towards a different direction.

Nero why can't you vote?

Twice now the mod has you listed as a no voter yet you had votes cast both times?

Nero why can't you vote?

Twice now the mod has you listed as a no voter yet you had votes cast both times?

hes scum. if you want to wagon that i can be happy to oblige. i could prob also get silver to join up

no i encoaurage a seer to CC me

Now I had a fairly null read on both Silver and Ika earlier but I'm leaning scum - Ika and null - scum Silver. While Silver didn't lose his absolute mind like Ika seemed too he seemed to just sit back and try to help Ika but mostly just agreed with him and followed his votes mostly.

[TheBlueRose]

i mean, ok sure. I'm willing to buy the "atleast 1 is town" thing but you came in and tried to throw shade my way and that doesn't seem real town to me.

What shade are you even talking about? Like do you really mean RC's telling everyone to slow down? While I didn't see a good enough reason to just stop everything, I don't see why that is casting shade against you. Unless I missed something? But if not I don't get why you'd think that is scummy. Like "Oh no I must kill Ika now or else. Why are you stopping me?"

[SnarkySnowman]

Yeah I don't get at all why people think ika is scum.

Bebop, to touch on what you said about almost, I think this game feels different for him than the newbie game we played with him in, and I read him as town for now. I haven't seen a town game of his but this doesn't feel like a scum game.

[BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie]

PhantomCobalt, do you have any reads yet?

[BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie]

I should direct the same question to Albert B. Rampage too.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I just want to point out that SW and ika are always defending each other Day 1 no matter what. They say it's because "they can read each other really well" but the reality is that they are just going to defend each other and play them vs. everyone else on Day 1.

[Xkfyu]

I just want to point out that SW and ika are always defending each other Day 1 no matter what. They say it's because "they can read each other really well" but the reality is that they are just going to defend each other and play them vs. everyone else on Day 1.

What happens when they're in opposite factions?

[Albert B. Rampage]

This.

[RadiantCowbells]

Perhaps we just found out?

[Ricastle]

What shade are you even talking about? Like do you really mean RC's telling everyone to slow down? While I didn't see a good enough reason to just stop everything, I don't see why that is casting shade against you. Unless I missed something? But if not I don't get why you'd think that is scummy. Like "Oh no I must kill Ika now or else. Why are you stopping me?"

He's referring to 451.

This.

I don't think you'd be so sure, or so quick to rule out the possibility of them both being town, as town here. I get the impression that you knew this would be a face-off as soon as you got your PM.

VOTE: ABR

[RadiantCowbells]

Ricastle still scum.

[Ricastle]

NOTICE ME SENPAI

[PhantomCobalt]

I'll get a readslist with reasons tonight.

[Xkfyu]

Ika had 4 votes on him. My worry is that he realized the heat on him was growing and fakeclaimed seer to out the real seer.

Sorry, I'm not seeing it. I do not sense that ika was under that intense pressure (I'm not seeing the need to play survivalist). Here were the votes on ika's slot:

Spoiler: votes

VOTE: ika

While I agree JarJar sucks as a character, getting ika sorted is priority for me.

Oops EBWOP


Alright, let's get this thing sorted then.

UNVOTE: JarJarDrinks

VOTE: ika

Back to this.

VOTE: ika

@ika Okay, you want me to vote again?
VOTE: ika I think its weird that you're already so willing to trust in silverwolf. He hasn't proven himself as town but as soon as he said I seemed off you voted for me. Either you're scum partners or you're just an opportunist scum who used his post as a chance to start a wagon on a townie. Yes, I know that its not a wagon yet but that's what it looks like you're doing.

p-edit: That's how I always am...

vote:ika

I'm joining this wagon until I feel like killing someone else.

Alright, then. You asked for it.

VOTE: ika

As you can see there were few votes with a strong scum-case on ika - thus, town-ika or scum-ika should not have been forced to roleclaim in fear of their slot being under threat.

I fear this is bad play by town-ika

. If scum-ika has fakeclaimed, he has no long-term strategy, as the real seer would inevitably counter-claim/flip.

Why can't it be bad scum play?

Why is it that everyone assumes that all scum play is good scum play?

Also, unless you're scum with him, how could you possibly know that a scum ika has no long term strategy? You don't know what roles scum have, or exactly how many there are. How can you assume that you know someone's motivation behind their actions when you don't have all the information that they do.

[Xkfyu]

So, I feel like we're in a sort of a limbo status until ika is replaced. Well, at least I am anyways.

Ika was (and still is) my top lynch candidate. However, I'm not so set on it that I'm not prepared to believe his claim, if I end up being happy with the entrance and play of his replacement. But, I won't be moving my vote until then.

Also, I think it would be a good idea to get at least another vote or two on ika, so that when his replacement get here, he/she has as much pressure on him/her as possible.

[SnarkySnowman]

Yeah I don't get at all why people think ika is scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

Yeah I don't get at all why people think ika is scum.

who do U think is scum?

[Xkfyu]

Is posting a one sentence quote of yourself what you meant when you said this?

Reading through and gonna post stuff but have my notes for now.

[Almost50]

So we're still stuck on the "ika is scum. No he's not" subject.

If Ika is going to be replaced, anmd if we're going to wait for his replacement to post, I think we're better off leaving the subject for now and looking elsewhere where we can do something fruitful now. We can always recall the subject once a replacement is in place.

I find it very counter-productive to stay stuck on one subject/player and halt the game until something in particular occurs. But that's just me, of course.

[BlackStar]

So we're still stuck on the "ika is scum. No he's not" subject.

If Ika is going to be replaced, anmd if we're going to wait for his replacement to post, I think we're better off leaving the subject for now and looking elsewhere where we can do something fruitful now. We can always recall the subject once a replacement is in place.

I find it very counter-productive to stay stuck on one subject/player and halt the game until something in particular occurs. But that's just me, of course.

On one hand I agree with what you're saying. But on the other hand this post feels way too similar to the ones you made earlier where you told everyone to ignore you and save you as a backup lynch.

[Xkfyu]

So we're still stuck on the "ika is scum. No he's not" subject.

If Ika is going to be replaced, anmd if we're going to wait for his replacement to post, I think we're better off leaving the subject for now and looking elsewhere where we can do something fruitful now. We can always recall the subject once a replacement is in place.

I find it very counter-productive to stay stuck on one subject/player and halt the game until something in particular occurs. But that's just me, of course.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't discuss and look other subjects while we wait. In fact, I've been trying to do exactly that. I am saying, however, that it would be nice to have the pressure of a significant number of votes on ika's slot for when his replacement arrives.

The legitimacy of ika's claim is the most important thing to work out right now, and I think that having that slot under pressure, with a lot of votes sitting on it, as soon as the replacement arrives is the best way to go about it.

By all means, let's talk about something else while we wait, though.

[Nero Cain]

We aren't lynching any of Ika or Almost today: Its ABR or Ric.

With Blackstar, Cobalt and Snowman as maybes.