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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:56 pm

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. Forcing myself to post in this annoying game.

I can see Satael's case against Shanba to a degree, though I think I'd be more suspicious of him if he'd done it in an active game where everyone was actually providing good reasoning and posting frequently. As it is the conditions of this game dampen it in my opinion. Something seems odd in the exchange between Shanba and Thin Man today but I can't place what exactly.

I actually think it would be pretty useful to have JDodge answer Thin Man's question. The case against mneme is ok, and I'm not keen on his suspicions either. Well I can see the first half of his Thin Man suspicion based on Honary Hitchhiker, but Thin Man's behaviour of pushing without giving a reason and being uncommunicative at times is mostly null from what I know of him. Don't see the Rishi suspicion. Obv didn't like his suspicions of me (which were backtracked on). I'll wait for a votecount because I'm lazy, then probably vote mneme.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:05 am

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JDodge wrote: Because people generally will have a skewed opinion of their own playstyles, and drop tells subconciously.
More (and why I typically don't post self-analysis in games), because self-analysis goes down the short road to WIFOM-land -- town will always post more-or-less the truth, whereas scum will always post believable lies. In the end, it's probably the least useful question you can answer.
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:11 am

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Actually, I disagree. Posting self-analysis can be one of the hardest thigns to do as scum, as you have to not only invent your lies to explain your actions that have other motivations but also then keep your lies in order, and try and stop yourself contradicting earlier lies. Anything that makes scum commit to a lie is a good thing.
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:38 am

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In that case, Shanba, I'd appreciate you posting a self-analysis. Thanks.
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:18 am

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Shanba wrote:Actually, I disagree. Posting self-analysis can be one of the hardest thigns to do as scum, as you have to not only invent your lies to explain your actions that have other motivations but also then keep your lies in order, and try and stop yourself contradicting earlier lies. Anything that makes scum commit to a lie is a good thing.
^^ this. (not that self-analysis is technically what I asked you to do, but it's probably a good thing as well, and the point holds across the two requests regardless.)
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:20 am

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The problem is, it's also one of the hardest things to do as town -- and in fact, since scum are already (typically) doing self-analysis to see how they're coming across, if anything, it tends to make townies look more scummy and scum look no more scummy.
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:43 am

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posts 0-3: joking about. Xyzzy's comment about WIfom I took as a joke to this point.

Posts 4-5 I reckon he's being serious and press him on it.

Post 6: I misinterpret jdodge here. This coupled with Xyzzy calling my post WIFOM makes me vote him.

Post 7: I realise I've misunderstood jdodge and keep pressing him a bit.

Post 8: Afer comparing Xyzzy's play iht his play in the game I was modding, I decide that that's probably just how he plays.

9: The post you all seem to hate so very much. I was the third vote on flea after he made a lot of scummy posts. After re-reading the bit that leads up to it, I see why I moved my vote to him. Heck, I'd probably do it again if I was given the opportunity right now.
I wasn't voting because I figured I would arouse suspicion. Ironically, it was my bringing up of the suspicion that caused it!

Since the thing causing me to not vote has happened anyway...

Vote:xyzzy
This post alone would have caused me to vote for basically anyone.

Post 10: I express my dislike of the Mert bandwagon. Odd wording. Also pressure Dylan, who had been flying under the radar until then.

Note: This post was made Jul 15. Ms Piggy hammers Jul 19. In that time frame, I did not check the thread. A quick check through my post history confirms to me that I was onsite at the time, so I must have just not been paying attention. I reiterate that I would not have let that wagon pass lynch if I had been paying attention.

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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:30 pm

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Day 2 Vote Count


Setael
- 2 (Shanba, xyzzy)
mneme
- 3 (Thin_Man, Jack, Guardian)
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- 1 (mneme)
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- 1 (Setael)

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- 3 (Jdodge, Rishi, Patrick)

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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:51 pm

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mneme, what do you think of Patrick Shanba and xyzzy right now? Has anything changed from your Aug. 27 post?
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:18 am

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Guardian: still seeing linking there. Patrick's been fairly solid recently.

Shanba's defensive and lurking play doesn't make me like him much better in this game.
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:26 am

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Mod: Can we please get a prod on xyzzy?


I would like him to explain his reasons for his vote on me.
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:43 am

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mneme wrote: Shanba's defensive and lurking play doesn't make me like him much better in this game.
This statement seems a little odd to me. There are other people who are lurking more rampantly than Shanba. In fact, Shanba posts more than you do in this game.

The people I think we need to hear more from: xyzzy, Jack and JDodge. I don't necessarily expect JDodge to post more, but the other two, I think, are usually more talkative than this.
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:19 am

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I'm not defensive! [/defensive]

Saying someone is defensive always makes me laugh.
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:20 am

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Shanba wrote:I'm not defensive! [/defensive]

Saying someone is defensive always makes me laugh.
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:58 am

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yeah, I know. I'll get to it.
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:52 am

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Post 11: I was trying to work my way back into the game. I had been prodded overnight and was out of it a bit.

Post 12: correcting mistake

Post 13: asking for a prod on dylan. In order to advance at that point I needed to here his side of the story. My mind tends to be somewhat one track, and with my main suspect out of it it's entirely possible i would lose interest again.

Post 14: State my disagreement with Jack turning away from the dylan wagon

Post 15: Asked Xyzzy if he eralised jack had changed his mind about Dylan. felt this was import

Post 16: Lost interest when dylan failed to respons and didn't post for 5 days. >.<

Post 17-19: State my gut feeling that Hitchiker is town. Sticking by that. thin_Man is probably an alt of an experienced player given his playstyle and his comments about me. Speculating who's alt is not fair to him, so I won't.

Post 20: I don't ge this post on re-read. I was clearly trying to make a point, but it eludes me as to the relevance to the Rishi quote I quoted.

Post 21: Continuing on that theme, I don't know what the purpose of this post was either.

Post 22: Point out something about Jack's case on mneme that had me very close to switching my vote

Post 23: Respond to Patrick's question about HH

Post 24: Defence against Setael's case on me. Beginning to really regret the flea vote.

Post 25: "I'm here!" post. These posts normlly drive me up the wall, so posting one myself is kinda embarassing. Note to self: post more content

Post 26-27: further defence against Setael. The need to defend myself was growing larger as he pressed the attack.

Post 28: Feeling ever warmer towards a mneme wagon. In fact, since dylan won't be able to express himself,
Unvote Vote: mneme


Post 29-31: Defend myself against Thin_Man basically just insulting me. Didn't enjoy that at all. Note: Post 31 is in response to his post saying I should post less stuff that is crap. The smiley was meant to indicate that this is kinda ridiculous, since if I knew what was crap I wouldn't post it.I don't think it really conveyed that in retrospect, but at least it shut down a useless and difficult for me avenue of discussion.

Post 32: Give my thoughts on self-analysis. This one took a while. I haven't really been engaged with the game since, well, I lost touch with it shortly after voting flea. Hopefully I can use my self-analysis to springboard my way back into the thick of things.

Post 33: Began self-analysis. It actually ends in a lie: I didn't run out of time, I jsut got bored with it. With the amount of onle-liners I've posted this game, it's amazing I've managed to comment this much. A lot of it is simply a ercap of my actions anyway, as they're pretty self explanatory for the most part (baring one or two obvus exceptions).

Post 34: I've never gotten how being defensiveis meant to be a scumtell, or how someone is supposed to defend against it. As such, it always feels a bit loaded to me: no matter your reply it's counted against you. I hate it as an argument.

Post 35: Self-explanatory. Oh, and I'm done.

Conclusion: I need to step up ùp my involvement in this game. I have little emotional attachment to it and am being lazy about it. Many of my posts have been one liners, emphasising the lack of attachment to the game. The fact that flea turned up town coupled with the mod disappearing for ages has left me somewhat adrift. I will attempt from here on in to become involved with the game again.
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:36 am

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Thesp wrote:
Deadline:
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Man, I need to pay more attention. I completely missed this.
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:19 am

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mneme, convince me to vote someone else.

xyzzy would be the easiest at this point, he is definitely my second choice to mneme. Is xyzzy around?
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:36 pm

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For various reasons (some out of my control) I am leaving mafiascum. I'm sorry, I'll have to be replaced.
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:40 pm

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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:44 pm

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Searching for a replacement for Jack, prodding xyzzy. Deadline still in effect.
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:56 am

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ok, we're deadlined. Is mneme still around?
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:42 am

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Yeah, sorry. (-still- don't typically post on weekends).

Guardian, I'd need to reread xyz to build a case on him.
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:04 am

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Shanba wrote:Began self-analysis. It actually ends in a lie: I didn't run out of time, I jsut got bored with it.
I'd be interested to know what motivated you to lie. What did you think our reaction would be if you told us you got bored with it? Why did you think it'd be better to tell us you ran out of time? Maybe it's nothing, but it does seem like you were being really careful about our reaction to something small, which is more likely to be done by scum.
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:10 am

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Setael wrote:
Shanba wrote:Began self-analysis. It actually ends in a lie: I didn't run out of time, I jsut got bored with it.
I'd be interested to know what motivated you to lie. What did you think our reaction would be if you told us you got bored with it? Why did you think it'd be better to tell us you ran out of time? Maybe it's nothing, but it does seem like you were being really careful about our reaction to something small, which is more likely to be done by scum.
Mmm. I'm not really sure, tbh. I think I was being fairly over cautious at the time, given how I'd just argued that it was something difficult for scum to do. Also, I think I was in a pretty bad mood (as well as being bored) and didn't really feel like continuing, but didn't want to draw unnecessary attention on to myself. I then admitted my lie because it was easily verifiable as a lie, given that I had been online for a good while after I posted that, and didn't want to make it worse.
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