SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

[Lowkey]

I'm pretty sure my role PM has a confirmed town person in it and I think we flip with their flavor name when we die so yes, I think my slot might be worth more dead than alive. Especially if it means Titus and ABR can finally cooperate knowing I was town and reading them both strongly town all along.

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm pretty sure my role PM has a confirmed town person in it and I think we flip with their flavor name when we die so yes, I think my slot might be worth more dead than alive. Especially if it means Titus and ABR can finally cooperate knowing I was town and reading them both strongly town all along.

Even if I knew ABR was town by magical dust fairies and him me, that wouldn't magically solve the problem.

We have reads in major opposition to each other and aren't trusting each other's judgments.

~Titus

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm pretty sure my role PM has a confirmed town person in it and I think we flip with their flavor name when we die so yes, I think my slot might be worth more dead than alive. Especially if it means Titus and ABR can finally cooperate knowing I was town and reading them both strongly town all along.

What do you mean by "pretty sure"? It's details like that that gets us into trouble when we start playing in accordance to those "pretty sure"s.

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm pretty sure my role PM has a confirmed town person in it and I think we flip with their flavor name when we die so yes, I think my slot might be worth more dead than alive. Especially if it means Titus and ABR can finally cooperate knowing I was town and reading them both strongly town all along.

What do you mean by "pretty sure"? It's details like that that gets us into trouble when we start playing in accordance to those "pretty sure"s.

Can you stop rolefishing? Ffs.

~Titus

[Albert B. Rampage]

Titus, stop nagging ok? It's annoying.

You can't go saying things like "pretty sure I've got a conftown / guilty". It is or it isn't. We can't go to LYLO with vague phrasing like that. It's antitown.

[Lowkey]

If I tell you why I'm pretty sure, I'm going to have to full claim. Lowell said he doesn't really care if I full claim so yeah, the onus of the decision is in my hands. This role is basically fucking useless for us anyways. If enough people want me to claim, then I'll go for it.

Titus, having reads that are in opposition is good. If you have a good connection the other person is town, that's all you need even if the reads don't agree. You learn to respect them as a fellow town member and argue not on a "youre scum" level but on a "ok, why is x scum and why should I believe you" level and that's all around good no matter how you spin it.

[MaxwellPuckett]

What's your problem with me on the party?

I want resons before you just start spouting things off.

Sentinel: You're a scumlean for me, I thought I'd already said that.

I see, Titus, thanks for the definition.
What do you mean ABR is 'not expressing a townread'?

Lowkey: I see. I'm skeptical because now we have three character names who would apparently be confirmed town via a flip. It's making me less certain they would actually be confirmed, and since we'd have a kill a town player to get this information, I'm not super hyped about it.
Titus has already said she thinks you're town, but that you flipping town would not make her change her mind about working with ABR. I don't think your D1 reads are strong enough to make those two get along. They've been disagreeing at every turn. That, and even if they're both town they probably wouldn't get along.

PEDIT@Titus: It's a fair question, how was that rolefishing. Vague confirmations are the last thing we need, you were the one saying that earlier. If it involves a player being killed to see the info, we should be damn sure it's actually a confirmation.

[The Cool Cucumbers]

Whoever we choose to be MC can still be killed tonight. If that's the case, then the first person on the list of the dead MC becomes MC. I confirmed this with Varsoon.

ABR's pretty much as obvtown as it gets. This was in my head yesterday but I didn't ask because I was lazy.

Important thing to know. Also gives us cause to keep the MC in the hands of the same player, because that prevents them from dying. *shrug* Dunno if that's optimal, I like Titus' idea of always having a new MC/party because that gives us revolving pools of players and associative and such to work with, instead of just gaining more and more information on the same small pool.

-Cerb

[Drunken Pirates]

@all, Because this pretty sure again is information we can use to block out scum. We all can factor in pretty sure as not 100%. We want no mislynched available. If it gets closer to the end, we can ask. These names can be used to block mislynches. If they are out in the open, scum will likely murder them. Low key can do what he needs to do in order to sort it out with the mod. We are getting too many conftown issues, so we keep these names hidden. Make scum murder the townies that hypothetically conftown people.

If we get close and they are alive, they claim names.

@lowkey, that's how I argue with everyone but ABR is flat out not willing to discuss my Fluminator read with me. The answers to those conversations are how I ascertain reads.

~Titus

[DiamondSentinel]

What's your problem with me on the party?

I want resons before you just start spouting things off.

Sentinel: You're a scumlean for me, I thought I'd already said that.

Then give me reasons for your scumlean.

[The Cool Cucumbers]

Fuck, DS. I'm sorry. I told you I'd read your iso and tell you what I thought. I started reading and said fuck it, I'm not doing ISO reading today. Sorry man. I haven't forgotten you, but I have decided I'm not in the mood for that today.

-Cerb

[DiamondSentinel]

Fuck, DS. I'm sorry. I told you I'd read your iso and tell you what I thought. I started reading and said fuck it, I'm not doing ISO reading today. Sorry man. I haven't forgotten you, but I have decided I'm not in the mood for that today.

-Cerb

Tis fine

[Varsoon]

"Now I'm used to this high class atmosphere. I can't help living like royalty. Look at this fur."

-A Literal Boar,

Koorong

VOTECOUNT 1.09

Klingoncelt (5):

Albert B. Rampage, DrippingGoofball, Lowkey, Yosarian2, MaxwellPuckett

Rylai and Lina (2):

Wickedestjr, Skybird

Fluminator (2):

Sensei, Rylai and Lina

Skybird (1):

Fluminator

MaxwellPuckett (1):

Drunken Pirates

DiamondSentinel (1):

CooLDoG

The Cool Cucumbers (1):

Drixx

Drixx (1):

The Cool Cucumbers

DrippingGoofball (1):

ZZZX

Albert B. Rampage (1):

DiamondSentinel

Not Voting (4):

Klingoncelt, Sharky5x, Yimmy, ArcAngel9

With 20 Alive, it takes 11 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-01-22 14:10:00)

The Main Character is

Drixx

Spoiler: MC Vote

Albert B. Rampage (4):

Rylai and Lina, Albert B. Rampage, Yosarian2, MaxwellPuckett

Wickedestjr (3):

Wickedestjr, ArcAngel9, DrippingGoofball

ZZZX (1):

ZZZX

Yosarian2 (1):

CooLDoG

Drixx (1):

Lowkey

Rylai and Lina (1):

DiamondSentinel

I am currently seeking a replacement for Sharky5x.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Sentinel: You're inconsistent, your assertion that you can read Shiro so perfectly that your realisation you were talking to her made your read on the slot do a 180 makes me uncomfortable, your confidence in being able to read certain players while you also admit that you're unreliable. Besides what I've just stated, the rest of it is gut. You read like you want to make sure what you're saying is okay with the group, while still trying to offer up enough opinions to be useful.

Rereading you now, I didn't like your response to ABR when he called you out on wanting to be in the adventuring group, while you were voting him. The answer apparently satisfied him, but it just sounds like you're trying to slink your way in there. Instead of ABR picking you, you made it sound like it was a privilege for him to have you in the group so you could change your read on him. And then he said that if the majority of town didn't agree, he would take you out, so I thought it a good opportunity to say somethng.

Consider my scumlean to be more of an outright scumread.

[DiamondSentinel]

It is a privilege for any group to be graced with my presence

Please, you evidently haven't read anything. I couldn't give a fuck what the group says, and my interactions with any of my scumreads show this.

And all it took to make you scumread was wanting to be in a group? Jesus christ, you're hard to please. Why aren't you scumreading ABR? He wanted to be in a group.

[Drunken Pirates]

Eh I was exaggerating but you get what I mean.

P.edit

@Low I might after I get home and do the iso I want to do.

@Titus What are your worries about ABR?

@Max

It is Shiro you are speaking to (I even have it on the sig gdi) I am because I find it really fake and I happen to think one of the people on that wagon is scum. You still can't point for me what made him your top townread.

Also I will let you guess who I think it is the scum in the wagon.

our slot is compromised for him and he has said so.

Wha?!

~Lina

abr is a shit player who's personal imaginary slights dictate his play.

I am more than willing to provide examples.

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm town but if you wanna turn on me, then we can tango. Kinda sad noone's reading me town though.

I don't understand why you are ignoring me about max! it confuses me.

if you think I am wrong I want you to help me to see what you see.

[Drunken Pirates]

It is a privilege for any group to be graced with my presence

Please, you evidently haven't read anything. I couldn't give a fuck what the group says, and my interactions with any of my scumreads show this.

And all it took to make you scumread was wanting to be in a group? Jesus christ, you're hard to please. Why aren't you scumreading ABR? He wanted to be in a group.

Calm down. Maxwell is trying to provoke you. Don't give in. Smooth. Methodical. Transparency. If you're town, this is what we need. The post Maxwell made is the exact type of post I feared when you said you're not confident/good/whatever. It may be true but Maxwell Puckett is capitalizing here to scumread you and if Klingon and you are town, setting you up as the next mislynch wagon.

It would do most of us a huge favor to drop the rage and just talk to us.

Your positions are giving whiplash. It's not helpful. Reflect. Be clear. Your lack of clarity makes me jump between you're scum and you're town.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

wanting abr as mc shows incredibly poor judgment. our slot is compromised for him and he has said so.

I am confused, I really don't know what you're talking about here.

yoyo are you srs. abr has nakedly said he hates me and doesn't give a shit what my alignment is despite us joining the game first.

[Lowkey]

Let's not post the examples.

Also, I just got mod confirmation that entire role PM's flip in this game in the style of the previous modkill. Increased chance there's a janitor, though, given the entire pm flips.

I just think max is town mollie, not really sure what to tell you besides I just read him as town. Look at the first lines of his last post because I felt like that comes from town too. Also, I know you made a case on him but I may or may have not skipped it because I skimmed some posts selectively while trying to catch up in this game. I'll reread it but I don't think I'll change from rereading. You should join the Klingon wagon and we can get back to Max later!

[DiamondSentinel]

It is a privilege for any group to be graced with my presence

Please, you evidently haven't read anything. I couldn't give a fuck what the group says, and my interactions with any of my scumreads show this.

And all it took to make you scumread was wanting to be in a group? Jesus christ, you're hard to please. Why aren't you scumreading ABR? He wanted to be in a group.

Calm down. Maxwell is trying to provoke you. Don't give in. Smooth. Methodical. Transparency. If you're town, this is what we need. The post Maxwell made is the exact type of post I feared when you said you're not confident/good/whatever. It may be true but Maxwell Puckett is capitalizing here to scumread you and if Klingon and you are town, setting you up as the next mislynch wagon.

It would do most of us a huge favor to drop the rage and just talk to us.

Your positions are giving whiplash. It's not helpful. Reflect. Be clear. Your lack of clarity makes me jump between you're scum and you're town.

~Titus

Ok What do you want me to reflect on? As in, in-thread. What do you want me to comment on. Give me a goal and I can do well.

[Drunken Pirates]

I was going to contest that but then she posted she leans Klingon town.

Mollie, why are you listening to titus if you and her both know she can't read people until like D3?

don't even

I really dislike you trying to drive a wedge in our hydra. that is

REALLY FUCKING SCUMMY

I shld have known this game wld be shit during sign-ups which cerb seems to know about. I just want to play a game and not read how much pple hate me is that too much to ask.

[Drunken Pirates]

Let's not post the examples.

Also, I just got mod confirmation that entire role PM's flip in this game in the style of the previous modkill. Increased chance there's a janitor, though, given the entire pm flips.

I just think max is town mollie, not really sure what to tell you besides I just read him as town. Look at the first lines of his last post because I felt like that comes from town too. Also, I know you made a case on him but I may or may have not skipped it because I skimmed some posts selectively while trying to catch up in this game. I'll reread it but I don't think I'll change from rereading. You should join the Klingon wagon and we can get back to Max later!

Yeah, the Klingon wagon vote will not happen until Klingon talks to us or dodges talking to us. You want me to trust you on ABR, trust me on Klingon. Right now, that slot is leaning town. I can talk to her and ascertain her alignment but she only posts at night. She has a flair for the dramatic which a wagon on her increases the drama level in the game.

I have spent a fair amount of time working with Klingon, across at least three sites. I can read her.

~Titus

[Lowkey]

What? I'm having a hard time believing you guys and your reads when you both discredited Titus on all her D1 reads. I haven't played with either of you before.

Noone hates you.

And fair enough. I'll let you talk to her if you can read her.

[The Cool Cucumbers]

Let's not post the examples.

Also, I just got mod confirmation that entire role PM's flip in this game in the style of the previous modkill. Increased chance there's a janitor, though, given the entire pm flips.

I just think max is town mollie, not really sure what to tell you besides I just read him as town. Look at the first lines of his last post because I felt like that comes from town too. Also, I know you made a case on him but I may or may have not skipped it because I skimmed some posts selectively while trying to catch up in this game. I'll reread it but I don't think I'll change from rereading. You should join the Klingon wagon and we can get back to Max later!

I would get extra super special confirmation that if there is a specific character/player mentioned in your role pm, that information will come with your flip. In the first SU game the lover masons had their partner included in their flip, but in Suikoden, the masons would not have had their partner included in their flip, and the information of "you know x is town" was included on the role card in both cases.

-Cerb