White wrote:It's how I play, suck it up and get used to it. Some people around here would call it agressive.Pwayne wrote:True. Maybe he could refrain from accusing people of whining and having crap ideas until then.
Hypocrit. Don't attack me for "how I play" and then turn around and expect to be able to defend yourself with it.White wrote:It's how I play, suck it up and get used to it. Some people around here would call it agressive.Pwayne wrote:True. Maybe he could refrain from accusing people of whining and having crap ideas until then.
...some say aggressive, some say obnoxious. I can see that there are many things that I am going to have to suck up and get used to though. Among them are: gross mis characterizations, double standards, evasiveness and an over powering sense of self importance.It's how I play, suck it up and get used to it. Some people around here would call it agressive.
This stuck out to me because it perfectly embodies my sentiments up to page 7 regarding Tyhess. Tyhess, branch out and state your own ideas, don't jump from bandwagon to bandwagon, that looks scummy.CKD wrote:AGAIN? Tyhess is jumping on the bandwagon of the hour without providing much content at all...
Oman, this game isn't a popularity contest. Your opinions shouldn't be able to be swayed so easily as someone saying "No, I think you're wrong" and you rewriting. That's being wishy washy and it looks scummy.Oman wrote:Any objections?
QFTTheo wrote:First off can everyone attempt when quoting other players to leave the person's name in the quote
Are we reading the same game here? At what point have I indicated that I abhor confrontation (for that matter, I never did hear where I advocated sitting back and asking others to work). I have confronted a hoard of posters for what I felt was a weak case against Dr. BS. I have confront both MoS and Volkan for what still strikes me as a tag teamed and illogical attack on Oman. I have attacked you repeatedly for mischaracterizing actions in this game.Pwayne - Strikes me as a pacifist. Seems to abhor confrontation and doesn't like to "dissuade conversation" by voting for someone (I have yet to see this work in reality, votes stimulate conversation) which sounds crock to me. Takes things personally and needs to realize it's just a game. I'm willing to attribute this all to newbiness though. No FoS but still somewhat suspicious.
So you've done (at the point I made that statement) nothing to get others to talk but you're "arguing that we put aside" the idiotic nonsensical blah blah for real game content related material. You said in essence "Guys! Stop whining and do something helpful!" while doing nothing helpful yourself. That is where I got my info from.Pwayne wrote:As far as what I have done to get the other talking. Nothing. I have been more focused on figuring out the logistics of this game. I am just arguing that we put aside the "gotcha" politics for a moment and determine a course of action.
Earlier in this game, when it was to the town's benefit to place ourselves in the shoes of the cult to determine what course of action to take, Flameaxe and Karmadog promptly voted for him. The only result I saw coming from this was Dr. BS changing his stance or maintaining his line of thought under the threat of lynch. Thus he backed away from an idea that he still seems to support but fears expressing the reasons why as he might be seen as culty.It was said based off of your desire to not pressure vote to dissuade conversation (could you provide an example of when a vote dissuades conversation?) which I still interpret as a desire to not pressure vote.
I agree that it's anti town. However I see things differently. Dr BS posted what he thought, it came across scummy and was interpreted by I think everyone as not protown. Are you saying we should've encouraged him to keep spouting off not protown statements and that would've made him less scummy looking?Pwayne wrote:Dissuading conversation is anti-town. Allowing Dr BS to state his full case, is pro town. Bullying him into shutting his mouth is anti-town.
Possibly. Or it could have made him more scummy looking. The point is, now, we don't know. He stopped talking. The post everybody jumped on was still going to be there and could be referenced later.I agree that it's anti town. However I see things differently. Dr BS posted what he thought, it came across scummy and was interpreted by I think everyone as not protown. Are you saying we should've encouraged him to keep spouting off not protown statements and that would've made him less scummy looking?
He has explained this and argued it with White. I never thought this action was scummy, only disrespectful. That said, I am much more concerned with his actions, evasiveness and defensiveness toward Oman.Mastermind of Sin- I'm not thrilled about his random vote in the middle of page 4 or his lack of an apology for his absence. It's not that I need an apology, or that accidents don't happen, It would just show some sort of interest in helping the town.
Also doesn't seem to take much seriously. This could pose trouble later on as it provides opprotunity to say "I was just playing then" if asked questions about actions.Oman- Can't get a good feel on him. Has posted calm and reasonable insight. Has his sights on Flameaxe and I don't know that I blame him.
Nothing has changed here. This absolutley has to stop.ac1983fan- I can't anything here.
Here, I agree with White. He is in a mediator role so far, and it bothers me. The tagteam action of MoS and himself against Oman, is troubling as well.Vollkan- seems legit. suspicions of flameaxe might be a little aggressive.
needs to post more. Considering that he is on a lot of people's lists, he ought to be concerned with ridding himself of those suspicions. If he isn't, that seems suspicious.Dr. Blackstrike- early questions cast suspicions about his loyalty. I have no particular reason to believe him town but don't think that his question betray his allegiance.
Nothing new IMO.curiouskarmadog- first to jump on Dr. BS and his questions were legit. May have stayed on the "Dr. BS bandwagon" too long though.
Hasn't improved in my view.tyhess- continues to vote Dr. BS b/c he is "weird". This seems, well... weird.
No changes.Trojan Horse- seems intent on contributing to the discussion
Needs to be around more. I don't really hold the Dr. BS situation against him, but given the lack of anything else to judge, it's all I have.Flameaxe- Seems a tad defensive. that's not scumtell but it should be noted. Like CKD, I can appreciate a little pressure on the doc initially, but he seems to try too hard too build a case that isn't there.
Now White. If I had to guess, I would say protown. I can't imagine scum benefiting from bringing this much attention to themselves (WIFOM anybody?). Likes to stir the pot. I will be curious to see how this works out.Rump-Wat- His "Flameaxe was suspicious and now isn't but initially it was a random vote" stance is bothersome. I would like to know specifically what was suspicious about flameaxe and what happened to stop the suspicion.
I am hard pressed to find anything either protown or controversial about this player.theopor_COD- was absent for quite a while and as far as I am concerned is still. Can't list any real pros or cons.
Really? I'm getting a different read, he seems pretty defensive to me (for good reason) and seems to be taking things seriously but keeps messing up his words and stumbling over himself.Pwayne wrote:Also doesn't seem to take much seriously. [Oman]
needs to post more. Considering that he is on a lot of people's lists, he ought to be concerned with ridding himself of those suspicions. If he isn't, that seems suspicious.
If it makes any differanceto you, I don't mind.White wrote:Passive agression, nice. Thank you all so much for the warm welcome. Reading now.
Not sure I understand this here. Dropped bandwagon makes me look scummier? Hm?White wrote:BS - Newb (again). I'd like to see BS post more in light of the recent activity. I also don't understand why he wasn't lynched. I don't understand why the bandwagon was dropped against him so if someone could point me to the post(s) that made him seem townier? Looks scummy to me.
Even if I do support it, I certainly won't be saying so.pawyne wrote:Earlier in this game, when it was to the town's benefit to place ourselves in the shoes of the cult to determine what course of action to take, Flameaxe and Karmadog promptly voted for him. The only result I saw coming from this was Dr. BS changing his stance or maintaining his line of thought under the threat of lynch. Thus he backed away from an idea that he still seems to support but fears expressing the reasons why as he might be seen as culty.
Well, conversation by non-me people.Dissuading conversation is anti-town. Allowing Dr BS to state his full case, is pro town. Bullying him into shutting his mouth is anti-town.
It strikes me as odd that the town still buys the theory that the votes on Dr. BS stimulated conversation. Dr. BS has been non-existent since the incident. He was posting prior to it.
I think I ran out of things to say after everyone shot down my thoughts...I agree that it's anti town. However I see things differently. Dr BS posted what he thought, it came across scummy and was interpreted by I think everyone as not protown. Are you saying we should've encouraged him to keep spouting off not protown statements and that would've made him less scummy looking?
Ok, so if you're hanging back and lurking and "trying to take notes"...care to share some of those notes? We kinda need something to talk about. Oh, and please post your scumdar(list of people who you think are most suspicious to not suspicious at all and why you feel that way). Please try to have your own thoughts too or i'll be inclined to vote you for piggybacking your way through the game, that's no fun because we've got MoScum to lynch.Dr BS wrote:Sorry!!! I just have this thing where I'm not quite sure what to say, jsut trying to take notes and watch. And lurk, which is funner than might be expected.