Micro 558 | Slavic Music Mafia II | Endgame

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.08 Żywiołak - Femina

Kto się zani, ten się zani,
Ja się zanic nie banda
Do mnie sami chłopcy przyjdą,
Choć ich prosić nie banda

Whoever gets married, gets married
I will not get married
Boys will come to me on their own
Though I will not ask them to

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lynching

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

BulletNLynchproof

(L-2): Hawk Eyes, VysePresident, LicketyQuickety

LicketyQuickety

(L-2): BulletNLynchproof, Espeonage, RadiantCowbells

Hawk Eyes

(L-5): RadiantCowbells

RadiantCowbells

(L-5): LicketyQuickety

Not Voting

(3): Bellaphant,

Espeonage, RadiantCowbells

, Postie, InflatablePie

get a room

It takes 4 votes to get a 2 person room, 6 votes to get a 3 person room, and 8 votes to get a 4 person room.

Postie and RadiantCowbells

(R-1): RadiantCowbells, Postie, Espeonage

LicketyQuickety and VysePresident

(R-3): VysePresident

Hawk Eyes, LicketyQuickety, and VysePresident

(R-4): LicketyQuickety, Hawk Eyes

Not Voting

(3): Bellaphant, BulletNLynchproof, InflatablePie

Spoiler: Room Eligibility

2 more rooms toDay

: Bellaphant, BulletNLynchproof, Espeonage, Hawk Eyes, InflatablePie, LicketyQuickety, Postie, RadiantCowbells, VysePresident

1 more room toDay

: nobody

1 more room toDay but not until post restriction ends

: nobody

No more rooms toDay

: nobody

Post restrictions

Spoiler: 0 current post restriction(s): (may not talk to or about each other in public, may vote and unvote normally

none right now

Spoiler: Infractions

none yet

Deadline: (expired on 2015-12-22 14:00:00).

Mod notes: Let me know if there are any problems with the VC, or if you have music requests.

[InflatablePie]

Prod/content dodge, was too lazy yesterday. I'll try to get to it tonight.

[Bellaphant]

@postie (and pie, later) why aren't you voting?

@bnl, talk to me about the titus hydra? What's going on with the dissonance there?

Read up, have a super weird town-read on Pie and espe's response to questions about the vote look townie.

[LicketyQuickety]

@RC, you are reaching to the extent that it looks foolish.

@Esp, where have you seen me try to mislych people like you say I am doing?

[RadiantCowbells]

That it looks foolish?

c'mon, no town would ever say that.

weak.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm pretty sure I hit the nail on the head and LQ/Titus are in fact scum together this game.

Pls kudos after game.

[Espeonage]

@RC, you are reaching to the extent that it looks foolish.

@Esp, where have you seen me try to mislych people like you say I am doing?

I haven't. My talk of meta has to do with mindset not action.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ok, that's totally not what I was expecting.

You're saying you think that he thinks that he can use his skill to mislynch me?

How does anything in that post suggest that his vote on me was serious? Plus, I'm notorious for tunneling people, town or scum, who vote me and am not an easy person to lynch whatsoever; would he really be interested in forcing such a fight unnecessarily?

My stance on him is that it's completely bizarre that he went from voting me in a very joking manner to treating it like a serious vote on the next page, which I think could very well have been a way to slide some of the pressure away. There's also the fact that he seemed really awkward responding to the request for a 1v1 like he wasn't sure how serious I was and was also scared by it.

@bolded: No. It's about the BNLp vote. A couple of steps into my thought process might help.
1. The vote is not meant to get him lynched or it would be being pushed properly. So what is the point?
2. Taking a reads list wall and declaring it from scum makes it less likely to be followed by the sheepy players in the game. Point is to discredit subtly.
3. This would be dangerous if not for LQ knowing that it is unlikely to be enough to get him lynched, so he can get away with the slight suggestion that BNLp isn't on the ball to the rest of the game.

So my point is that LQ is a good enough player to feel that a surface level scum points action like OMGUS shouldn't result in his lynch and so take the risk.

The trick here is that omgus isn't always omgus and just conflict in reads. I don't seriously think that is the case here.

You are giving me way too much credit. In truth, I never consider myself a leader really in any game. I have tried to do it once and I ended up sheeping someone else. I have a very single mindedness about me when I play the game. If you want to know how to read me all you have to consider is this:

As Town I don't keep track of who said what about who or even pay attention to a series of events that take place during the game. I just look at posts and try to see if it is a Town post or a Scum post and that is really it.

As Scum All I really do is try to play like I would play my Town game trying to give the same kind of reasoning for my reads which is very difficult for me. I have a horrible Scum game and am caught very early most of the time.

@RC, you are reaching to the extent that it looks foolish.

@Esp, where have you seen me try to mislych people like you say I am doing?

I haven't. My talk of meta has to do with mindset not action.

Describe the different mindset I have had as town and Scum. Why do you think Titus is giving me such a strong town read right now? If you are at all basing your read on me based on what Titus has said in saying I am Town, I would listen to her.



So apparently my meta is changing without me really being conscious of it. I admit I went through some life changes a while back and it may have influenced the way I play mafia as weird as that sounds. You will see that after the game. I leave it to after I flip to see who is right about me and who is wrong.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't really have any strong scum reads at this time.

[Plotinus]

Prodding Hawk Eyes¹. They have (expired on 2015-12-19 18:30:00) to post or they will be replaced, because the prod timer runs slower on weekends.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok, that's totally not what I was expecting.

You're saying you think that he thinks that he can use his skill to mislynch me?

How does anything in that post suggest that his vote on me was serious? Plus, I'm notorious for tunneling people, town or scum, who vote me and am not an easy person to lynch whatsoever; would he really be interested in forcing such a fight unnecessarily?

My stance on him is that it's completely bizarre that he went from voting me in a very joking manner to treating it like a serious vote on the next page, which I think could very well have been a way to slide some of the pressure away. There's also the fact that he seemed really awkward responding to the request for a 1v1 like he wasn't sure how serious I was and was also scared by it.

@bolded: No. It's about the BNLp vote. A couple of steps into my thought process might help.
1. The vote is not meant to get him lynched or it would be being pushed properly. So what is the point?
2. Taking a reads list wall and declaring it from scum makes it less likely to be followed by the sheepy players in the game. Point is to discredit subtly.
3. This would be dangerous if not for LQ knowing that it is unlikely to be enough to get him lynched, so he can get away with the slight suggestion that BNLp isn't on the ball to the rest of the game.

So my point is that LQ is a good enough player to feel that a surface level scum points action like OMGUS shouldn't result in his lynch and so take the risk.

The trick here is that omgus isn't always omgus and just conflict in reads. I don't seriously think that is the case here.

You are giving me way too much credit. In truth, I never consider myself a leader really in any game. I have tried to do it once and I ended up sheeping someone else. I have a very single mindedness about me when I play the game. If you want to know how to read me all you have to consider is this:

As Town I don't keep track of who said what about who or even pay attention to a series of events that take place during the game. I just look at posts and try to see if it is a Town post or a Scum post and that is really it.

As Scum All I really do is try to play like I would play my Town game trying to give the same kind of reasoning for my reads which is very difficult for me. I have a horrible Scum game and am caught very early most of the time.

@RC, you are reaching to the extent that it looks foolish.

@Esp, where have you seen me try to mislych people like you say I am doing?

I haven't. My talk of meta has to do with mindset not action.

Describe the different mindset I have had as town and Scum. Why do you think Titus is giving me such a strong town read right now? If you are at all basing your read on me based on what Titus has said in saying I am Town, I would listen to her.



So apparently my meta is changing without me really being conscious of it. I admit I went through some life changes a while back and it may have influenced the way I play mafia as weird as that sounds. You will see that after the game. I leave it to after I flip to see who is right about me and who is wrong.

Anyone else notice that he's seriously, seriously, SERIOUSLY uncomfortable in this post?

Lynch. now.

[VysePresident]

...Thinking about it. Not quite for the reasons you're saying. I've just played a hydra with him before, and I don't understand these conclusions he's making about himself or anything.

Doesn't help that you're not really doing anything Town though.

Only person I have a semi-concrete opinion on right now is BNL, so holding my vote for now. I'll probably be on more during the weekends, despite everything.

Heck with my eyes burning. If this doesn't get better, I may have to replace and avoid the computer outright for a bit. Hoping it's just a particularly nasty reaction to the virus I'm dealing with.

[BNL]

Lickety, mind if you answer these questions?

LQ:

1) What made you vote RC in post #155? Did you think the "reaction test" was scummy?

2) What did you not like about my reads list?

[RadiantCowbells]

Doesn't help that you're not really doing anything Town though.

what are you even SAYING right now.

[Postie]

It's the townread on LQ and the way Titus is just forcing it in every post she makes.

Okay, that answers that question. What I was trying to find out by asking

@RC

- What were your thoughts behind that reaction test on LQ?

has also now been answered. Something about how frank and overly arrogant LicketyQuickety is struck me as town, and I thought perhaps you were trying to hone in on that, but I guess not.
So yeah, conflicted on LQ. I'm not sure scum!Lickety would be this ballsy and draw so much attention to himself all the time.

On a similar vein, I think EE's 130 comes across as arrogant too, but in a fake way. Like LQ's arrogance feels super genuine, but EE's post makes me think he's pretending to be more confident in the stuff he says than he actually is. Especially since he uses a lot of really emphatic, harsh language in regards to LQ's posts, as if he thinks LQ is being really scummy, but then ends with a null read. I think if you have a null read on someone, it would be really odd to write your post like that.

VOTE: Hawk Eyes

Not really sure what to make of Titus' certainty in Lickety being town, so...

@Hawk Eyes/Titus

- Can you explain to me what Lickety is doing here that's so different from his scum game in Suikoden Mafia? His play here does feel slightly different, but I'm not sure it's "night and day".

@postie (and pie, later) why aren't you voting?

Sorry; had a scumread on Hawk Eyes for reasons given above, but didn't want to go into said reasons before I had an answer to that second question I directed at RC.

[Postie]

Anyone else notice that he's seriously, seriously, SERIOUSLY uncomfortable in this post?

Lynch. now.

Why is being uncomfortable scummy?

Doesn't help that you're not really doing anything Town though.

what are you even SAYING right now.

^^^

Don't really like how Vyse is slipping under the radar. Same goes for Espe.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lickety, mind if you answer these questions?

LQ:

1) What made you vote RC in post #155? Did you think the "reaction test" was scummy?

2) What did you not like about my reads list?

1.) RC was being trolly so I simply returned in kind.

2.) Your reads are based on the presents of the person ie. what their confidence levels are and how scared or fearless they

appear

is. These things do not always tell what alignment they are and some people are just naturally more fearless

appearing

and I give you more credit to read people more accurately than that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Anyone else notice that he's seriously, seriously, SERIOUSLY uncomfortable in this post?

Lynch. now.

Baseless. Completely. I was not uncomfortable at all. I think you are Scum looking for an easy lynch or just have a really bad case of confirmation bias.

[LicketyQuickety]

That it looks foolish?

c'mon, no town would ever say that.

weak.

No town would ever say that. That is your claim. Can you prove it? Because I am in high doubt of that - especially knowing I am Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

If I get lynched, look for Scum who have taken a strong stance on me one way or another.

[Postie]

1.) RC was being trolly so I simply returned in kind.

Don't do that. I don't care if you have no real scumreads - you can use your vote to put pressure on people and get reads that way. Just use your vote productively.

2.) Your reads are based on the presents of the person ie. what their confidence levels are and how scared or fearless they

appear

is. These things do not always tell what alignment they are and some people are just naturally more fearless

appearing

and I give you more credit to read people more accurately than that.

What? Firstly, I don't see any mention of confidence levels in BNL's 174, and secondly, are you basically saying that we shouldn't make reads based on appearances? How do

you

get your reads then, Lickety - telepathy?

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: GAR: Postie and RC

get a room

It takes 4 votes to get a 2 person room, 6 votes to get a 3 person room, and 8 votes to get a 4 person room.

Postie and RadiantCowbells

(R-0): RadiantCowbells, Postie, Espeonage, LicketyQuickety

<— ROOM

LicketyQuickety and VysePresident

(R-3): VysePresident

Hawk Eyes, LicketyQuickety, and VysePresident

(R-5):

LicketyQuickety

, Hawk Eyes

Not Voting

(3): Bellaphant, BulletNLynchproof, InflatablePie

Spoiler: Room Eligibility

2 more rooms toDay

: Bellaphant, BulletNLynchproof, Espeonage, Hawk Eyes, InflatablePie, LicketyQuickety, VysePresident

1 more room toDay

: nobody

1 more room toDay but not until post restriction ends

: Postie, RadiantCowbells

No more rooms toDay

: nobody

[Postie]

Why do you think Titus is giving me such a strong town read right now? If you are at all basing your read on me based on what Titus has said in saying I am Town, I would listen to her.

If I get lynched, look for Scum who have taken a strong stance on me one way or another.

Where are you on Titus then?

[LicketyQuickety]

1.) RC was being trolly so I simply returned in kind.

Don't do that. I don't care if you have no real scumreads - you can use your vote to put pressure on people and get reads that way. Just use your vote productively.

Look, I don't want to have to go through the BS that is inevitably going to happen with RC and myself. I was trying to limit that sort of "reaction testing" at my expense because I know that shit can be interpreted any which way the person who is doing it wants to spin it because you are either really good at that sort of thing or really horrible at it and when I have seen RC at their best it has been because they have been strait forward and not all tricky like.

2.) Your reads are based on the presents of the person ie. what their confidence levels are and how scared or fearless they

appear

is. These things do not always tell what alignment they are and some people are just naturally more fearless

appearing

and I give you more credit to read people more accurately than that.

What? Firstly, I don't see any mention of confidence levels in BNL's 174, and secondly, are you basically saying that we shouldn't make reads based on appearances? How do

you

get your reads then, Lickety - telepathy?

No. You misunderstand what I was saying. To use a confidence and lack of fear meter as a means to gauge if someone is Town or not is not even close to an accurate way to read people because it is a known secret that confidence gets people to follow you and being fearless means you don't have to hide. It can be faked.

I use a few ways to read people. One large one being seeing if within the post there are inaccuracies and/or contradictions. Not so much over the whole thread but mostly within the context of the same post and what is logical or illogical about what they are saying. I can come up with some pretty spectacular theories and be wrong. Just ask Vyse.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why do you think Titus is giving me such a strong town read right now? If you are at all basing your read on me based on what Titus has said in saying I am Town, I would listen to her.

If I get lynched, look for Scum who have taken a strong stance on me one way or another.

Where are you on Titus then?

I am undecided. I am leaning Scum with a gun to my head not at all based on what Titus has said though. Its all EE that I am looking at right now.