BM's Mystery Mafia!! GAME OVER???

[Erg0]

Ok, I have a plan.

We need a secondary vote on who is the second scummiest player, and that person should hammer Oman. That will effectively give us two shots at killing scum today, because if Oman is lying scum he dies and if he's telling the truth then the scummy player dropping the hammer dies. If the scummy player refuses to do it we can lynch them instead.

Two birds, one stone.

My preference is that Setael drops the hammer.

[Paradoxombie]

If we went with Erg0's plan, I'd personally perfer that ABR hammers. He's already claimed, so we don't have to worry about sacraficing a protown power-role. And unlike Setael, he's actually on the Oman wagon, with minimal reasoning, AND he forced Oman to claim. He has a scummy past, and hammering Oman would at least prove his supicions are true(real). If he turns up town at least we don't waste time on him tommorow when we observe the Oman wagon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I vote Paradoxombie to hammer.

[Setael]

I'm hardly going to hammer someone I think is Town. I nominate TCS.

[Erg0]

This going well so far...

[Erg0]

Setael, the point is not whether or not you

want

to hammer Oman. We can choose the hammer voter independently of their suspicions of Oman - the only consideration is whether we find them (the voter) scummy or not. Obviously their position on Oman will be influential because he's the hot topic of conversation right now, but that's not the central issue. What I'm doing is trying to give us a way to test Oman's claim with minimal potential loss to the town. If the town reaches consensus then that person can either hammer and take the chance, or die in his place.

[heatherlou]

come on, jesus? That sounds like a freakin huge power role. There is no pattern to the roles, but would there really be a role that powerful? I haven't thought you are particularly scummy and I still don't think you are, but are you possibly exaggerating your role? Unlynchable

and

you kill whomever hammers? Just seems unlikely to me. Although i would love to see how it played out.
I like your idea Erg0, but I wonder if we could get that large of an agreement? Honestly, I would like to see ABR's role claim play out too, so I wouldn't mind see them hammer.

[Mastermind of Sin]

what did ABR claim?

[Paradoxombie]

what did ABR claim?

1-shot day-vig, right after Jordan suddenly died, purportedly by ABR's ability.

[Erg0]

You mean after Bobby (whose role was Michael Jordan) died. Jordan himself died last night. I know it's confusing.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oh yeah. ABR shouldn't hammer. Definitely not.

[Battle Mage]

The '2 days till deadline' Vote Count

Oman 9 (TCS, GodofWine, Kison, YagamiLight, Fritzler, SSF, Erg0, Zu Faul, ABR)
TCS 4 (Setael, Paradoxombie, Skruffs, Mr Flay)
Setael 1 (Heatherlou)
SSF 1 (Oman)
Heatherlou 1 (MoS)

Not Voting (2): Xdaamno, Shanba

2 days till the deadline.

[Xdaamno]

Looking and the player list... I'd probably be most satisfied with Setael hammering.

[Oman]

Setael, the point is not whether or not you want to hammer Oman.

I agree completely. Scum would know i'm town, and therefore would know I'm telling the truth. Of course the scummiest player wont WANT to hammer me (assuming they're scum), because they know they'll die.

After confirming with BM I can tell you that upon death I show up as scum (and something else I couldn't interpret, something about not being the true son of god(?)) and will be revealed as town three days after I die.

Unlynchable and you kill whomever hammers?

Its called a supersaint, not only does it fit the jesus flavour well, but BM likes playing SS3 with me anyway.

BTW I had the same idea as erg0 today at work, except my idea was to have the person second in votes do it.

[zu_Faul]

Setael or Paradoxombie. Not ABR.

[Paradoxombie]

Oh yeah. ABR shouldn't hammer. Definitely not.

hmm, if this isn't sarcasm, you really should give reasons and not turn one sentance into three.

Anyway, I quickly looked back at Setael compared to ABR and also noticed she has been alot more content than ABR has since August. ABR has basically been posting 1 sentance answers. I only see maybe 2 posts with any depth since he purportedly killed Bobby. I definitely call him on lurking in plain daylight. He hasn't even quoted anyone but a votecount in his last 18 posts(approx.).

The players higher on my scumlist have been posting much more, making me less worried that they'll escape a lynch. making ABR hammer will kill many more birds with one stone to use Erg0's figure of speach.

But seriously, people could we give some reasons? Just voting for the hammerer without discussion seems just as bad as voting for a lynch without discussion.

[Paradoxombie]

one more thing, whether or not ABR hammers, I really think it should be someone on the wagon. It makes alot more sense from what I see.

[Oman]

No I don't think so Para. I considered it myself at first, but then I realised. The point of it is to A) test my claim (which is real) and B) kill a scummy player.

For this reason, I think the hammerer should be second in votes, they are scummiest next to me (in majority of towns eyes), and that is reflected in the fact that they are being effectivly lynched.

I am increasingly interested in the fact that seatal and paradox are being brought up as the two to hammer when setael has one vote and para has none (of course, everyone who wants them to do it could be voting me).

I now see the flaw in my hammerer should be second in votes plan...it takes a voice away from those already voting me. I retract my plan.

[Mr. Flay]

Stupid question, but if we go to deadline lynch, do we think that will trigger Oman's supposed supersaint ability? Or is it only if an actual hammer takes place?

I'm regretting jumping off the Oman wagon now, partly because these two lines don't make any sense:

1) I'm unlynchable and kill whoever tries to hammer me

2) either miller or some sort of death miller who is revealed as town after being dead for 3 days (I'm unsure on this?)

If you're unlynchable, you'll be alive tomorrow, so what we SHOULD be doing is voting for someone else to try to lynch you at this point.

Unvote: TCS, Vote: ABR

- this does require us to have nine votes on Oman and enough votes to pressure someone else to hammer Oman, all in two days, but I think it's possible...

TCS: Someone else already answered for me, but it's exactly true. You were absent (thinking about quitting) at that point, so there was no gain from pressuring you. I might have lynched you rather than make BM have to find another replacement, but when you came back, you became responsible for your actions again.

That said, I still think ABR's survival after that daykill is scummier than anything else. And Oman is telling us that he's essentially a lynch-vig, so everyone still voting him is curious as well...

[Paradoxombie]

No I don't think so Para. I considered it myself at first, but then I realised. The point of it is to A) test my claim (which is real) and B) kill a scummy player.

For this reason, I think the hammerer should be second in votes, they are scummiest next to me (in majority of towns eyes), and that is reflected in the fact that they are being effectivly lynched.

Yes but even though I don't think you're lying, you still could be, and I'm also trying to convince people who DO think you're scum. Also It seems like we have alot of powerroles out there. And if any of them are as powerful and protown as Oman, I don't want to force them to claim. I also feel we'd have alot less problems lynching Setael if we have to than ABR(who is more skilled and barely has any content in his posts) Setael is also more helpful than ABR, who gives little reasoning for his actions, and hasn't suggested much anything new recently. The most protown thing I've seen ABR do all game is NOT act scummy, RECENTLY.

Setael or Paradoxombie. Not ABR.

Reasons?

[Kison]

The problem here is that when it comes down to someone who we "agree" should hammer Oman, there's very little incentive for that person to actually follow through with it. From their perspective, what is there to gain? The only way I see it actually happening is if someone calls Oman out on a bluff.

Going to have a very a difficult time convincing scum to drop the hammer. They automatically lose in that situation.

I have a feeling we're going to end without a lynch again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll hammer Oman if I reach more votes than anyone else.

[Paradoxombie]

The problem here is that when it comes down to someone who we "agree" should hammer Oman, there's very little incentive for that person to actually follow through with it. From their perspective, what is there to gain? The only way I see it actually happening is if someone calls Oman out on a bluff.

Going to have a very a difficult time convincing scum to drop the hammer. They automatically lose in that situation.

I have a feeling we're going to end without a lynch again.

Well it doesn't help that you didn't even give a candidate to hammer.

I'll hammer Oman if I reach more votes than anyone else.

I assume you mean BESIDES Oman which would be hard considering the majority is already on a wagon, but we might as well try.

Vote:ABR

[Paradoxombie]

forgot to unvote,

unvote, Vote:ABR

[Albert B. Rampage]

Um...no, you klutz. I said I would hammer Oman if there was a consensus for me doing it.