MINI 504- PEGBAM...GAME OVER!

[JDodge]

/confirm

[JDodge]

Vote: Karen

KARENWAGON '07

[JDodge]

Humor is a sure sign of mafia. I have no regrets as I

unvote vote Oman

Someone doesn't want to bus their scumbuddy Karen!

[JDodge]

I am tempted to move away from KARENWAGON 07 to vote originality.

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I know it's still early, and I also know I won't get too in-depth of an explanation from JDodge on D1, but throw me at least a small bone here... what's so appealing with an originality wagon?

Read his posts and then try asking questions.

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Ouman, I houpe y'weren't seri's ab't that kill.

Because I will be very, very angry if y'were.

WHY DOUN'T I GET ANY NEAT KILLING ROULES?

[JDodge]

As much as I hate that KARENWAGON '07 has to come to an end...

Unvote, vote: ChronX

[JDodge]

FoS Oman

No lynch is a town move now? Are you out of your mind!?!?

No Lynch= Possible no mislynch, possible 1 NK.
Total townie deaths= 1, hypothetically

Lynch= Possible mislynch, possible NK
Total townie deaths= 2, hypothetically

HAVE YOU PEOPLE EVEN READ ANY BASIC GAME THEORY?

YOU DO NOT. UNDER MOST ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. NO-LYNCH ON D1.

[JDodge]

Unvote, vote: Sammich

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I hate you JDodge.

Begging and panicking are not pro-town actions.

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Vote: distad

DIESCUMDIE

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I want to know why Panzerjager voted originality at the last minute.

I'm going to guess "He was rereading through and had just finished rereading at the last minute."

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You want to...you know...give a reason.

Why do you need a reason? Why aren't you questioning my lack of reasoning?

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Hopefully, this isn't case.

That should raise a red flag, if you were town you would hope that is the case because you would've caught scum in a lie.

Unvote, vote: Panzer

[JDodge]

Unvote, vote distad

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Unvote, vote distad

gee... didn't see

THAT

coming!

Stop acting like BM and give an actual reason instead of pompous, half-assed statements.

[JDodge]

Jdodge, I would appreciate it if you vote for panzer as he is scum, though I do slightly understand your reason to vote for distad.

You assume that there's no way there's two cops

[JDodge]

Considering I got a guilty on panzer, you can say I don't. At least I am not considering panzer to be a cop.

Sanities?

[JDodge]

Oh and oman, I do not think karen is the lynch, as we have two claimed cops. You should probably pick one of me or panzer.

You're missing the possibility of 2 cops with varying sanities, which makes me more hesitant to vote you; I think we can get more info from letting you live another night.

Also, Karen isn't the lynch. Distad is.

[JDodge]

Fine then, you want a lynch, you got it.

Unvote, vote: Scot

Diescumdie

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I'm not so sure I want to keep both cops around, all of a sudden.

vote: panzerjagger

Unvote, vote: d3sisted

[JDodge]

The correct play in this situation is to lynch someone else (d3sisted) and then have them both investigate the same target.

[JDodge]

I think this necessitates us forcing the mafia to go somewhere else with their kill, and being mindful of the fact that there may be 2 cops

[JDodge]

Guys, if they both investigate the same target we still don't know which is town and which is scum. Double investigate only works if they're both cops.

It's posts like these that make my think "why the hell do I even bother".

IT. MIGHT. PROVE. SOMETHING. YOU. MORON.

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Jdodge, this doesn't force to make the mafia go anywhere with there kill. Scum will not pass up the opportunity to kill the cop. The only thing that we will gain by not lynching one of us, if by having one of us killed. Its that simple. Your plan is not going to prove anything. If I'm the only cop, I die. If we are both cops, one of us die, setting up the other.

And this differs from your plan how?

Oh, right, the possibility that the scum

won't

kill a claimed cop and we get more investigations.

WHY ARE ALL OF YOU ACTING LIKE COMPLETE AND UTTER MORONS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE SO FUCKING OBVIOUS?

[JDodge]

Yeah, don't insult me please. I'm not acting like a moron. Your plan does nothing for me, as panzer is scum. I am very confident of this. The fact that you believe the two cop scenario more than the one cop and one lying scum is unnerving to me.

You are acting like a moron, and I'll say that as much as I want until you start thinking about things.

I AM NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING THAT I FEEL EITHER SCENARIO TO BE MORE LIKELY.

ONLY THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE THAT BOTH EXIST.

[JDodge]

Assuming one of you is a cop and the other is scum, the scum cannot kill the cop without outing themselves. Likewise if there are 2 cops we still get another investigation no matter what.

Make sense now?

[JDodge]

Yeah, but I can totally see the scum outing at least one member of their team to get rid of the cop. Also, if we have two cops, then I truly want us both to live, but what I see happening is the mafia will kill one of us, while setting up the other one.

But we'll

still potentially have one night's investigation

.

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BOTH "COPS" SHOULD INVESTIGATE OMAN

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2 of (Scotmany12,distad,d3sisted,KaleiÐoscøpe,Oman) need to switch their votes to d3sisted/unvote. Now.

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Scot - inv. results. Now.

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WHOA WHOA WHOA

SLOW DOWN

Assuming we have an SK (not a RETARD OF A VIG), and assuming 2 scum, we are in lylo. If we lynch today, we have 6 people, and then if the potential SK (if vig, don't kill unless you're positively sure you dumbass) kills town, we lose.

Besides, distad is a way better choice than Karen.

vote: distad

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Out of interest, why doth thou prefer distad? Do you agree that the case on Karen is valid?

1.) Reasons that I will state when I am in a clearer, less sleep-deprived state of mind. Like not 1 AM.

2.) Yes, but I don't think she's the play for today.

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Nah, I don't really want to say anything. It's more that nobody has given me a good solid reason to vote Karen, so I'm going with my gut.

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Hrmmm... Maybe I was wrong.

Unvote, vote: Oman

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Oh, for fuck's sake...

Unvote, vote: distad

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Yeah, who were your targets, Ouman?

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results

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Y'know I'm not sure if I'm entirely inclined to believe scot's claim anymore, I find it odd that the mafia didn't even attempt to kill him.

More interesting I find it odd that he chose to come right out and scream "I'M THE COP I'M THE COP" essentially when taking out Panzer as opposed to being more subtle about it.

Finally, we as a town are essentially screwed if there is scum and SK. The correct play for today I feel is for scot to be lynched and for Oman to vig distad if scot comes up town.

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distad is the incorrect lynch for today, Oman. Read my post.

[JDodge]

I agree with you jdodge that it is odd that the mafia has not attempted to kill me, but I am the cop. Yes I screwed up day 2. I should made a case against panzer, which I was able to do, but I made a bad play.

Anyways, your plan does work jdodge, but of course you would have to be town, but I'm confident that you are.

Good! Then do the town thing and help me lynch you.

vote: scot

[JDodge]

I was actualy doubting that you might be a 4th mafia member jdodge, but if that was the case then the town would have lost, as it would be 2-2.

Before I switch my vote jdodge, I want you to claim. If you are the doc, then there is still possibility of oman being the sk. If not, then I'm pretty sure oman is the vig since there was only 1 kill night 1.

I'm not claiming.

[JDodge]

Shit i just noticed a flaw in my plan, and also noticed that I can do the same thing with distad with potentially better results

Unvote

[JDodge]

Basically what I just noticed is that we have to lynch either mafia or SK today, and Oman is either SK or vig, thus meaning that Oman is a much better choice.

Vote: Oman

[JDodge]

Unvote

JD I had left the window open and didn't see your last post.

Wheres the flaw in your plan JD, you and I carry away a win.

Vote Scot

You're a better target, Ouman

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But then we would lose to mafia? Distad would just choose one of us to kill, and thats it game over.

At this point I'd rather not lose to the SK that claimed "UN-NKable miller vig".

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Yes, but jdodge, if we lynch distad, the last mafia member(of course you have doubts that it is me) then there is the chance that we can win if oman is the vig. If we lynch oman, we have no chance, mafia wins.

You assume too much, just shut up and vote

If Oman is a SK, we're guaranteed a loss if we lynch wrong or scum

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No, i'm not voting until you explain yourself. We know that there is one mafia member. That person is distad. We do not know that oman is the sk. If he is the sk, then we lose anyway. If he is not, then we can win if we lynch distad.

FUCKING TRUST ME ON THIS ONE.

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What if we lynch oman and he turns up the vig, what happens then?

Stop arguing and

trust me on this one

. Arguing will not help the town's chances of winning.

[JDodge]

THANKS FOR THROWING MY WHOLE CAREFULLY FUCKING CRAFTED PLAN OUT THE WINDOW YOU TWO

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MY PLAN FOR A TOWN WIN REQUIRES LYNCHING OMAN, NOT DISTAD OR SCOT, TODAY. If we lynch wrong, Oman-SK wins. If we lynch scum, Oman-SK is almost guaranteed a win.

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If you lynch Oman-vig (which is the far far far more likely turnout) we ALL lose (except scum).

And maybe we won't. So why don't you all take a hint and FUCKING TRUST ME FOR ONCE.

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Because, I can guarentee a town win, and I'm not about to go trusting some crazy guy with a scheme.

I'M NOT CRAZY, I'M THE ONLY FUCKING PERSON IN THIS WHOLE GAME USING THEIR FUCKING BRAIN WHATSOEVER

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shit now Distad is going to hammer and we lose.

GG Jdodge, didn't wanna think about logic at all did you?

Three scum + SK, seems highly unlikely.

It's not unlikely. 3 scum + NK IMMUNE MILLER VIG LOLZ sounds highly unlikely.

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Because if I didn't kill it was a 2/3 Lylo, and I was happy to say you're doc, JD looked fairly town, erg0 was confirmed, and the other two had to be scum (with a vig, there are usually three mafia).

How can you not get that 3 mafia + SK is insane.

It's normal.

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Really, in my experience its always 1/4 Scum, so 2 mafia 1 sk or three mafia.

Scum =/= antitown

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Hey distad, you do know that Oman-SK has admitted to being NK immune, so it would be a loss for you, not a draw?

[JDodge]

Ha, that was just to stop the mafia NKing me. NKimmune Miller-vig indeed.

Glad you bought it though.

I think you're lying.

distad, can you take the risk that he is NK immune?

[JDodge]

Lol JD, nice attempt at dissent.

Its only fair, your only chance is if we kill eachother tonight, but as I'll be going for you guys, and I can only assume distad will join me, you're stuffed.

You see, the problem there is there's no incentive for distad to kill a townie if you aren't lying. He can either tie or win by killing you; likewise, you can either tie or win by killing him. But if he kills a townie, he can only tie or lose; therefore the correct play is for you two to kill each other. Furthermore, I point to the site-wide rules that state:

Play to win the game.

Therefore your attempts to not go for your win condition and instead tie are illegal.

Your move, bitch

[JDodge]

Okay, so this is a prisoner's dilema, we knew that from the start. If he kills a townie and I kill him, I win. He kills me and I kill a townie, he wins. We both kill town, we both win. We both kill eachother, town wins.

I'm going to make the safe assumption that Distad's win condition is something like "win when comprise of 50% of the town or more" which he fulfills, being only me and him.

Interestingly enough, my win condition (which I cannot quote) contains a "survive-to-win" aspect. I cannot do anything BUT that which gives me the greatest chance at survival.

So really, win conditions have nothing to do with it.

Oh and the prisoner's dilema is a well recognised thing around MS in terms of going for the win or the tie.

Ah, but you do realize that technically speaking (in any situation like this), it should be ruled a double-loss in mafia-SK endgame (each kills other) as opposed to a tie? So you essentially have win-lose or lose-lose. Pick your poison.

Furthermore, distad, why would you want to share a loss with Oman anyways, especially when you could win by lynching him?

Also, when you do the smart thing and hammer Oman, you will probably be forced to make a night choice as a formality; can you kill scot plz? I never get endgamed

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I'm not a doctor if that's what you're insinuating. If I were a doctor, I would go for the no-lynch, protect scot and leave you bastards to a 3-person endgame. Furthermore, I wouldn't have argued so much against the cop-doc scenario since I would

know it to be true

.

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Mmmk, first things first, the following people are retarded:

Sammich
Originality
AlSleet
Karen
scotmany12

NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT ORDER. LET ME BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU

Sammich - Your pathetic fucking pleas

Originality - For fucking sucking in general

AlSleet - Contributed absolutely NOTHING AT ALL ALL FUCKING GAME

Karen - for killing yourself, thus ensuring our loss

scot - for FUCKING CLAIMING COP ON D2 WITH ONE FUCKING GUILTY

Furthermore, I would like to point out that I said both Oman and distad were scum. MULTIPLE TIMES. Guess how many people listened? Anyone?

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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I tagged 1 scum. I was also annoyed by the selfhammer from Karen, even as scum.[/quote]

you did good

[JDodge]

I'm going to take responsibility for not doing so good this game. It was my first game as a cop, and I fucked up. I admit it. Karen, however, you fucked us over when you hammered yourself.

The two people who I thought played well was jdodge and ergo. Karen, you caught the scum, but you lost us the game when you hammered yourself.

Yeah but you didn't lose the game for us like Sammich and Karen did

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I don't really know how I was able to win after claiming scum. I didn't realize that Oman was at -1 when I voted NL. If I had realized that, i'd have lynched him ASAP.

I think that we got lucky. I'll take the win, though.

Thanks for not listening to JDodge. He had me nailed from the get-go.

Nobody ever listens to me when I'm town...

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Town, I can't believe you lynched me, he was NEVER going to kill Scot.

Neither were you, but at least I didn't lose to someone who claimed "NK-immune miller vig".

JD, what did you think was going to happen that night? He'd listen to you and kill Scot?

It was an attempt to trick. As a matter of fact, if certain people weren't saying "I THINK YOU'RE A DOC" then we would've had less of a problem.

[JDodge]

Yeah but you didn't lose the game for us like Sammich and Karen did

Your gut reaction to DL pleas is fucked up, srsly. =\

I don't care for people pleading.