Scummies 2015 - Nomination Thread!

[Ythan]

I'm never going to nominate a game other than one I'm involved in. I simply don't care enough about anyone else's games to actually read their game and determine if they deserve to be nominated, and I'm certain the majority of players feel the same way. It's simply too much time to properly evaluate a games and the merits of the nomination.

Then leave it to people who do?

Question is, thrn, how many games do the people who do, read?

If it's more than zero then leave it to them.

[shos]

I'm never going to nominate a game other than one I'm involved in. I simply don't care enough about anyone else's games to actually read their game and determine if they deserve to be nominated, and I'm certain the majority of players feel the same way. It's simply too much time to properly evaluate a games and the merits of the nomination.

Then leave it to people who do?

Question is, thrn, how many games do the people who do, read?

If it's more than zero then leave it to them.

You don't understand. The point is that the pool of games from which people can be nominated is not all games. What if none of those people read that specific game I'm talking about? then I have no chance at all?

[Cerberus v666]

I'm never going to nominate a game other than one I'm involved in. I simply don't care enough about anyone else's games to actually read their game and determine if they deserve to be nominated, and I'm certain the majority of players feel the same way. It's simply too much time to properly evaluate a games and the merits of the nomination.

Then leave it to people who do?

I normally do, I just happen to be involved in this particular game, so I felt I would share my opinion.

I'm never going to nominate a game other than one I'm involved in. I simply don't care enough about anyone else's games to actually read their game and determine if they deserve to be nominated, and I'm certain the majority of players feel the same way. It's simply too much time to properly evaluate a games and the merits of the nomination.

Then leave it to people who do?

Question is, thrn, how many games do the people who do, read?

If it's more than zero then leave it to them.

You don't understand. The point is that the pool of games from which people can be nominated is not all games. What if none of those people read that specific game I'm talking about? then I have no chance at all?

Yeah, that's basically the point I'm making. If the subset of individuals who take the time to read through other peoples games is skewed toward particular mods or players, those mods or players will received a disproportionate number of nominations, if self nominations are ignored.

[Ythan]

No Shos, you don't understand. The point is that a game deserving of an award is going to get nominated here without the nominees themselves coming in here and asking for a trophy.

[Cerberus v666]

No Shos, you don't understand. The point is that a game deserving of an award is going to get nominated here without the nominees themselves coming in here and asking for a trophy.

But you're wrong. You're extremely wrong. Honestly, how many people do you really think actually read through a sufficient quantity of games to be certain stellar performances aren't being overlooked?

[Ythan]

The short response is that your opinion is irrelevant because we've been doing this for eleven years and you don't know what you're talking about.

[Ythan]

If any of you think you're the first person to make a self nomination and then argue about why you're an exception then you're just wrong?

[shos]

Ythan, have you ever seen someone win a game twice?

[Ythan]

Am I supposed to be impressed that someone played some weird setup where they could "win twice" and did? Because I'm not.

[Cerberus v666]

The short response is that your opinion is irrelevant because we've been doing this for eleven years and you don't know what you're talking about.

Many things have been done in unfair fashions for centuries. The precedent does not mean that the way they've been done in the past is correct, OR that it can't be improved upon.

That's a very closed-minded response. In any case, I suppose this really doesn't matter to me enough to argue with you about, so I'll just take my leave.

pedit: i didn't make the self nomination. I couldn't care less about the nomination. I argued against the nomination in the thread, because I personally don't feel I deserve to be part of a town which wins said scummy, because my performance in this game was terrible in my opinion. I do, however, feel very strongly that if others want to self nominate, there shouldn't be a stigma upon it, so long as it's not actually against the nomination rules.

[Ythan]

You wish for a world where shameless self-promotion isn't stigmatized and that's really a shame for you because it's not going to pan out here.

[pirate mollie]

The short response is that your opinion is irrelevant because we've been doing this for eleven years and you don't know what you're talking about.

Many things have been done in unfair fashions for centuries. The precedent does not mean that the way they've been done in the past is correct, OR that it can't be improved upon.

That's a very closed-minded response. In any case, I suppose this really doesn't matter to me enough to argue with you about, so I'll just take my leave.

pedit: i didn't make the self nomination. I couldn't care less about the nomination. I argued against the nomination in the thread, because I personally don't feel I deserve to be part of a town which wins said scummy, because my performance in this game was terrible in my opinion. I do, however, feel very strongly that if others want to self nominate, there shouldn't be a stigma upon it, so long as it's not actually against the nomination rules.

what do you think is going on that is unfair exactly?

[Cerberus v666]

The short response is that your opinion is irrelevant because we've been doing this for eleven years and you don't know what you're talking about.

Many things have been done in unfair fashions for centuries. The precedent does not mean that the way they've been done in the past is correct, OR that it can't be improved upon.

That's a very closed-minded response. In any case, I suppose this really doesn't matter to me enough to argue with you about, so I'll just take my leave.

pedit: i didn't make the self nomination. I couldn't care less about the nomination. I argued against the nomination in the thread, because I personally don't feel I deserve to be part of a town which wins said scummy, because my performance in this game was terrible in my opinion. I do, however, feel very strongly that if others want to self nominate, there shouldn't be a stigma upon it, so long as it's not actually against the nomination rules.

what do you think is going on that is unfair exactly?

That was more in response to Ythans assertion that "This is the way things have been done forever and you don't know what you're talking about so stfu.", than an assertion that something is actually unfair.

[Ythan]

The assertion is that you're yet another newb who thinks they're the first one to come in here and make this same old argument and it's been happening for over a decade.

[Ythan]

Maybe you would find this thread more useful.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=6630759

[Firebringer]

Am I supposed to be impressed that someone played some weird setup where they could "win twice" and did? Because I'm not.

Am I suprised Ythan wasn't impressed?

If god himself appeared before him he would say "Meh, obvious photoshop"

[pirate mollie]

I don't think that is what ythan is saying.

I think that self noms are ick. I really wanted hu2 to get nommed for best town play cos I felt like town really came together like I cld feel it in my mind. the mod nommed the final self-voting scum instead.

your efforts shld be judged by your peers and you just have to roll with it.

[Firebringer]

I personally don't see the problem with a self noms, its going to be judged in the end by others anyways.

Just because something got nominated doesn't equal them winning.
This isn't a discussion thread on what is acceptable nomination though.

[Psyche]

self-noms in principle are okay
it's just that too many self-noms just amount to the self-nommer embarrassing themself

[Ythan]

Guys this is a really great thread.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=6630759

[zMuffinMan]

It was, objectively, the best scum game I've ever played, and a friend who came from the same site as me said it was among the best scum games he's ever seen in over a decade playing forum mafia.

it was also probably the best scum game mastin's ever played, but nobody nominated mastin for it, either

go figure

[hiplop]

why dont you nom it then

[T S O]

I've always liked the Paragon title

[Davsto]

I don't see the argument that "ooh if you don't allow self-noms then you're relying on the mod or people who read the game to nom"

If it's best town, then the scumteam can nom it. If it's best scumteam, then town can nom it. If it's Kodak moment or any one regarding a single player, literally anyone in the game can nom it.

I have nothing against self-noms, although I would never do so myself, but I can see a perfectly valid argument against them, as in if it takes you to say "oh yeh I/we did great in this game", you... probably didn't do as well as you thought you did.

For example, this Suidoken UPick, where the town are all going "best town all non-town lynches", whereas from my PoV it just looks like the scumteam were weak as hell.

[Yukari]

Since we very rarely read games outside of our own, no idea at all if Suikoden U-Pick is worthy of a nom or not, but it sure was fun. Our previous game before Suikoden was objectively our worst play ever. Then with Suikoden being our swan song and wanting to end things on a good note, we really put in a lot of unseen effort. After playing a game like that, we can retire happily.