Mini 500 - Cult Mafia - Game Over!

[tyhess]

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Official Vote Count #6

theopor_COD[3](Oman, vollkan, tyhess)
Flameaxe[1](Dr. Blackstrike)
tyhess[1](curiouskarmadog)
Dr. Blackstrike[1](Mastermind of Sin)


Not Voting[6](ac1983fan, pwayne66, Flameaxe, Rump-Wat, Trojan Horse, theopor_COD)

. Tyhess votes Dr calls him weird and then he wants to edit posts.

The reason I tried to edit my post was becasue it was all bold and then becasue i double posted. Think about it.

Something else,
Theo wrote:

Mainly because he jumped to the Doctor's defence

and now,
Theo wrote:

I don't like pwayne more for his suggestion to not use pressure votes and bully players etc. Plus his recent list doesn't sit too well with me.

Subtle shift. People criticise you for voting on the basis of Pwayne defending BS, so you shift you main reason to being the opposition to bullying, which was a minor factor from before.

If your going to lie about your postion do not, under any circumstances, change your story, especially when you are righting it down in a game where that type of thing is looked for. I'm all for lying in a game like this when you have to, but do not change your story. Noone can trust you and you look like scum.

For that:

Vote: THEO

[curiouskarmadog]

AGAIN? Tyhess is jumping on the bandwagon of the hour without providing much content at all...

If your going to lie about your postion do not, under any circumstances, change your story, especially when you are righting it down in a game where that type of thing is looked for. I'm all for lying in a game like this when you have to, but do not change your story. Noone can trust you and you look like scum.

For that:

Vote: THEO

Maybe I am slow, but what is your reasoning behind this vote again? Without quoting anyone else, what did Theo “change his story” about?

[tyhess]

I would have to say that I agree with everything said by pwayne about how believing you have found scum and using bullying tactics........I hadn't seen this yet by my last post or i would posted this on my last post.

[Oman]

Noone can trust you and you look like scum.

Is it just me or does this sound rather like "you look like scum, even though you're not".

I dunno, maybe its just an odd word choice. I'd be inclinded to hop off theo and onto Tyhess but i can fully see this as a bus...hmmm

[curiouskarmadog]

I would have to say that I agree with everything said by pwayne about how believing you have found scum and using bullying tactics........I hadn't seen this yet by my last post or i would posted this on my last post.

wait, what?

I am not bullying you...I just want you to back up your vote, just like everyone else..

I am not even sure I understand this post either..

[pwayne66]

I've got my eye on pwayne because I found him defending Blackstrike more than anyone, asking Curious/Flame in 45 to not bully him, not

use pressure votes to extract information

These characterizations of this comment (bolds by me)

I don't agree with

using pressure to disuade conversation

. This type of game is new to most of us. We ought to encourage all the discussion and sharing of ideas we can prior to the game really starting. If Dr. BS has a point I want to hear it, not discourage him by using bully tactics.

don't sit well with me. One of three things are happening here. 1) You are deliberatly mischaractrizing my position 2) You misread my position or 3) You correctly read my position but believe that I was implying something else.

[Oman]

CKD looks town/cult to me. I like most if not all of his responses and questions.

My town-looking list includes: Pwayne and CKD for now (I feel like I've forgotten someone).

Scum-looking list includes: Flameaxe and Theo

Cult-looking list includes: CKD and tyhess (of course, it can only be one).

Any objections?

[curiouskarmadog]

I've got my eye on pwayne because I found him defending Blackstrike more than anyone, asking Curious/Flame in 45 to not bully him, not

use pressure votes to extract information

These characterizations of this comment (bolds by me)

I don't agree with

using pressure to disuade conversation

. This type of game is new to most of us. We ought to encourage all the discussion and sharing of ideas we can prior to the game really starting. If Dr. BS has a point I want to hear it, not discourage him by using bully tactics.

don't sit well with me. One of three things are happening here. 1) You are deliberatly mischaractrizing my position 2) You misread my position or 3) You correctly read my position but believe that I was implying something else.

Well, I can see how someone can make that jump in logic. This is most likely are misunderstanding. You didnt like my pressure vote because there was a chance it could dissuade conversation. I can see how someone might misread this as you didnt like "bullying" (thus getting more information). I really think this boils down to two different playstyles for Day 1 and a misunderstanding.

[tyhess]

I would have to say that I agree with everything said by pwayne about how believing you have found scum and using bullying tactics........I hadn't seen this yet by my last post or i would posted this on my last post.

wait, what?

I am not bullying you...I just want you to back up your vote, just like everyone else..

I am not even sure I understand this post either..[/quote


Woh sorry dude I wasn't talking about you, or anyone in particular. I was just saying I agreed with the post.



And Oman. Everthing That I beleive about Theo was summed up by Vollkwagon.

[vollkan]

My town-looking list includes: Pwayne and CKD for now (I feel like I've forgotten someone).

Scum-looking list includes: Flameaxe and Theo

Cult-looking list includes: CKD and tyhess (of course, it can only be one).

I'm not on the list; I may be the person you forgot.

And Oman. Everthing That I beleive about Theo was summed up by Vollkwagon.

I am a little put off by Tyhess's voting rationale. I really dislike it when people just vote on the basis of someone else being persuasive. Inevitably, we all form our impressions based off other people's arguments from time to time, but it still frustrates me a bit when Tyhess explains his actions simply by saying that I summed it all up.

I am getting a very newbie read on Tyhess, more than scummy at the moment.

[Oman]

Yeah okay, you take my cult piece of cake.

Now why am I voting for the suspected mafia instead of suspected cultist? Because I have limited experience with cults and I'm afraid that a town player would act remarkably like a cultist, especially a powerrole.

I'm gonna stick with scumhunting for now, I'm more confident.

[pwayne66]

Well, I can see how someone can make that jump in logic. This is most likely are misunderstanding.

...fair enough.

[vollkan]

Now why am I voting for the suspected mafia instead of suspected cultist? Because I have limited experience with cults and I'm afraid that a town player would act remarkably like a cultist, especially a powerrole.

I'm gonna stick with scumhunting for now, I'm more confident.

I have thought about this myself. I think that as long as there is only 1 cult member (right now, the leader) the cult leader has no reason to act any differently from a pro-town player. I mean, if he hunts scum actively then he works against an immediate threat but, unlike townies, the cult leader benefits even if there is what to us is a mislynch. At the moment, he doesn't have any altar-boys to worry about, in contrast to the scum who obviously have their scumbuddies.

As the game progresses and the cult grows, I think we can expect its behaviour to become more "mafia-like". As it grows, it has more members to protect and, thus, there is more likelihood of us being able to sniff out some connections.

[tyhess]

Yeah okay, you take my cult piece of cake.

Now why am I voting for the suspected mafia instead of suspected cultist? Because I have limited experience with cults and I'm afraid that a town player would act remarkably like a cultist, especially a powerrole.

I agree with oman about scumhunting at this point, but the cultists acting like the town at this point?? I would think that the cultist would rather be looking for vanilla townies as much as he's looking for the scum. That's how he's going to win-recruiting townies. If I was a cultist that would be my goal at this point.

[vollkan]

I agree with oman about scumhunting at this point, but the cultists acting like the town at this point?? I would think that the cultist would rather be looking for vanilla townies as much as he's looking for the scum. That's how he's going to win-recruiting townies. If I was a cultist that would be my goal at this point.

Of course, the cult leader will be thinking about recruitment strategies, but that doesn't mean he will ACT any differently. The act is crucial because without behaviour it is impossible to hunt the cult leader. Hence, the cultist has no reason not to act like a town, at least for today.

[curiouskarmadog]

Now why am I voting for the suspected mafia instead of suspected cultist? Because I have limited experience with cults and I'm afraid that a town player would act remarkably like a cultist, especially a powerrole.

I'm gonna stick with scumhunting for now, I'm more confident.

I have thought about this myself. I think that as long as there is only 1 cult member (right now, the leader) the cult leader has no reason to act any differently from a pro-town player. I mean, if he hunts scum actively then he works against an immediate threat but, unlike townies, the cult leader benefits even if there is what to us is a mislynch. At the moment, he doesn't have any altar-boys to worry about, in contrast to the scum who obviously have their scumbuddies.

As the game progresses and the cult grows, I think we can expect its behaviour to become more "mafia-like". As it grows, it has more members to protect and, thus, there is more likelihood of us being able to sniff out some connections.

Maybe we should stay away from the "future cult behavior tactics" conversation until the future. No need giving anyone advice how to act (now or) in the future. I do agree that the cult leader is most likely acting townish (or lurkish) Day 1.

[vollkan]

I have thought about this myself. I think that as long as there is only 1 cult member (right now, the leader) the cult leader has no reason to act any differently from a pro-town player. I mean, if he hunts scum actively then he works against an immediate threat but, unlike townies, the cult leader benefits even if there is what to us is a mislynch. At the moment, he doesn't have any altar-boys to worry about, in contrast to the scum who obviously have their scumbuddies.

As the game progresses and the cult grows, I think we can expect its behaviour to become more "mafia-like". As it grows, it has more members to protect and, thus, there is more likelihood of us being able to sniff out some connections.

Maybe we should stay away from the "future cult behavior tactics" conversation until the future. No need giving anyone advice how to act (now or) in the future. I do agree that the cult leader is most likely acting townish (or lurkish) Day 1.

Good point, but I don't think that what I said was a tactic so much as an inevitability.

[curiouskarmadog]

Good point, but I don't think that what I said was a tactic so much as an inevitability.

who knows, I could just see a conversation thread developing.

[pwayne66]

Agreed. It is probably better to weed this behaviour out after the fact.

[tyhess]

I also agree on the part about dealing with future cultist actions later, but my original point was that, if anything, the cultist would be more trying to find out who the most likely is to be a townie, and find ways to force people into spilling their hand on being townies (ie bullying, which like I said earlier I don't agree with to an extent). I get that he's going to try to act like town, but he will have a different outlook because he will not be looking for both the mafia and the cultist like the vanilla townies, he will be looking for scum and vanilla townies instead-the difference would be slight, but there still would be a difference.

[ac1983fan]

vote:tyhess

He was acting scummy a few pages back, then he comes in and slaps a badwagon vote on theo, which is a crap wagon.

FOS:Oman

for started the theo case (which is crap) and this:

Scum-looking list includes: Flameaxe and Theo

Cult-looking list includes: CKD and tyhess (of course, it can only be one).

Don't try to differentiate from scum and cult. It's pointless, at least at this point.

[Mastermind of Sin]

CKD looks town/cult to me. I like most if not all of his responses and questions.

My town-looking list includes: Pwayne and CKD for now (I feel like I've forgotten someone).

Scum-looking list includes: Flameaxe and Theo

Cult-looking list includes: CKD and tyhess (of course, it can only be one).

Any objections?

nope, you didn't miss anything. Of course there's only 8 people in a 12-person game! Everyone knows that. No worries.

[pwayne66]

I doubt that I am alone here, but I need more info. What about tyhess was scummy a few pages back? What makes the theo bandwagon a crapwagon?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Make that 5 people in a 12-person game. You listed CKD three times.

[tyhess]

You scum because you can't count!!!!!


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