Open 615 - Hope Plus One [Game Over: Town wins]

[BBmolla]

Molla, what show are you doing?

Errant, are you being sarcastic in post 209? Not quite sure what you are trying to convey to me.

He's just scum who doesn't know how to respond

[Skybird]

Alright, I had a chat with Accountant and we're gonna

VOTE: Skybird

VOTE: TheManWhoSoldTheWorld for having such a long name and of course for OMGUS!

I found it really weird that Skybird says OMGUS with an here. Usually you OMGUS because you're irritated or scumread someone, it's not exactly a happy emotion.

You obviously don't understand jokes. The joke here is I'm voting for the guy that is voting for me. Since most people would say that is an OMGUS vote, I am saying it before they do. The smilie is there because I am joking.

Skybird wrote:

Hi again everyone. I'm sorry I was a bit MIA since the first page, I was out of town and supposed to be back yesterday.

I didn't think I had played with very many people in this game, but looking at the hydra's I see a few familiar names.

UNVOTE: I want to take a closer look at the last couple of pages.

I find taking the time to unvote in general incredibly scummy. The main reason to worry about your vote being down as town is because you're afraid it's leading to a lynch on someone you don't want it to. This is the middle of RVS and I find it extremely bizarre that such a thing would be done in general, leading me to suspect that Skybird is scum who doesn't want to be responsible for pushing a wagon quite yet.

When I posted that I felt the game was out of RVS. I disagree therefore that it was the middle of RVS. Why in hell would I want to leave my vote on someone when it was a silly RVS vote?

Sinsun, why do you want to drive TheMan insane?

This is just a weird thing to say in general. But the big thing is her questions.

What exactly do you mean by "the big thing is her questions?"

Kim, do you have experience with mafia off-site or IRL?

Note that Kim was defending me here.

P-edit - thanks Kim. Does anyone stand out to you so far?

Absolutely no follow up on that question at all, besides to ask another generic question, which at least with regards to me the answer should be known.

Kim mentioned that he had only completed newbie games here. I wanted to know how much experience he had because newbie town and newbie scum react differently than experienced town or scum. I have also seen scum pretend to be newbies to help explain any mistakes they make.

Why do you see Dictator as town? I'm leaning the other way on them.

Then we here hit the nail on the end. Literally the only purpose of this entire line of inquiry was to try to peel off Kim's townread on me.

Just because you don't see where I am going doesn't mean I don't have a purpose. I really wanted to see what his thought process was.

So why did Skybird unvote me? Why did she approach it in such a roundabout way if that's clearly all she was interested in.

What's the point of the first question, anyway?

You are reading way too much into stuff. I'm trying to get into the game and RL has very much limited my time.

Also,

RC, are you seriously telling me to be quiet?

I was taken aback that someone would be rude enough to tell another player to be quiet.

Yes RC, I do remember you from that game. I don't remember you being quite this annoying though.

There's absolutely no force behind this.

Like, "be quiet", really? Not "shut up"? Not some variant of "fuck off"? That's absolutely bizarre and I'd expect if she had as much of an issue with my play as she's claiming to that she'd react a lot more viscerally.

Then the rest of her questions are absolutely not followed up on.

Did you ever think that you just aren't worth reacting to? The biggest thing I remember about you is you are annoying. I ended up ignoring you in that game, and I am going to be ignoring you in this game as well. If that bugs you, then lynch me.

Fire, what do you think of Kop?

Says nothing further about it. Note Kop is looking like a leading wagon here.

Kop, what are your thoughts on Dictator?

Then she asks the person she was ostensibly scumreading what the read on me is?

Kop is a person of interest, not necessarily a scum read yet.

That's an absolutely bizarre change in the direction of questioning, plus all this "what's your read on X" without pushing anything doesn't come across as coming from town at all.

Just because I don't play mafia the same way that you do does not make me scum.

P-edit: Molla, Congrats on your role. I've always wanted to do that show.

[Benevolent Dictator]

You obviously don't understand jokes. The joke here is I'm voting for the guy that is voting for me. Since most people would say that is an OMGUS vote, I am saying it before they do. The smilie is there because I am joking.

The fact that you added a smiley doesn't make it any less of an OMGUS.

When I posted that I felt the game was out of RVS. I disagree therefore that it was the middle of RVS. Why in hell would I want to leave my vote on someone when it was a silly RVS vote?

You want to take your vote off because you're a scum who doesn't want to get locked into a stance. You want to see which mislynches can gain steam and support those mislynches.

Just because you don't see where I am going doesn't mean I don't have a purpose. I really wanted to see what his thought process was.

bullshit

I was taken aback that someone would be rude enough to tell another player to be quiet.

It's not really being rude, it's just that his yammering was clogging up the game with horrible anti-town sentiments and we wanted him to stop so we can focus on catching scum.

You are reading way too much into stuff.

So you don't want us to read into stuff?

ie. you don't want us to examine you too closely?

Did you ever think that you just aren't worth reacting to? The biggest thing I remember about you is you are annoying. I ended up ignoring you in that game, and I am going to be ignoring you in this game as well. If that bugs you, then lynch me.

> I'm going to ignore Benevolent Dictator
> makes a huge text wall about Benevolent Dictator

Just because I don't play mafia the same way that you do does not make me scum

That doesn't make you scum. Your scummy actions make you scum.

[Benevolent Dictator]

^ by accountant

[Benevolent Dictator]

So.

1) Skybird's reaction was also awful and I am led to believe that The Man's inappropriate response to my push on Skybird was an indirect defense of his scumbuddy.
2) I think there's a fairly good chance that BBMolla is scum as well for trying to isolate and discredit my slot, particularly considering in our last game I called out BaldEagle DAYS before when everyone else thought he was scum.
3) This entire Kop wagon strikes me as incredibly opportunistic and I don't like a lot of the votes on it, Bbmolla's especially.

[Benevolent Dictator]

^ RC

[Benevolent Dictator]

Like, the fact of the matter is this.

Claiming an issue with my playstyle is credible, claiming that my scumhunting ability is not to par is not.

I would not be surprised to see Bbmolla say that he had an issue with the way I play, but I find it nearly impossible to reconcile that viewpoint with his experience with my play, and I feel it's more likely an attempt to discredit my current push.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Like, it's possible he's just being super salty but there's a definite direction to his current play that I don't trust.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I feel like that 'direction' comments merits an explanation.

I feel like his entrance in the game is extremely top down; there's an objective he wants to complete and everything he does is directed towards that end. His entrance is extremely rigorous and guided in a way that I wouldn't expect town to actually be, and I'm not used to seeing from Bbmolla; he claims to have solved the game and is acting like it, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that it is sincere and think this whole shtick is just an act. I'd expect that if he was just macking on me for being salty it would be a lot more salt and a lot less robotic.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Still all RC. I'd be happily voting either Skybird or TheMan at this point, but I'll give bbmolla more time to show if he's town.

[TheManWhoSoldTheWorld]

Honestly, I don't give a shit that you think I'm scummy. I'm town, I know I'm town, and you are proving yet again that your reads are shit.

Bravo.
Golf clap

TheMan I still need you to explain your townread on Dictator.

You know what makes me uncomfortable? How whenever Dictator pushes on people, they back off and start townreading them. It seems to me either one of two things: either scum using the townread as some kind of mitigation strategy to reduce the pressure on them, or town seeing aggressiveness as an action exclusive to town. Either way I don't fully understand how people are comfortable with Dictator, or their methods, as town. At all.

I don't remember you asking for the explanation and I thought I did explain.

His play seems to be actually focused on scum hunting, and coming from a perspective of not knowing peoples alignments. It seems to me why he keeps jumping from one scum read to another because he legitimately doesn't know player's alignments. I also previously stated that I just don't see scum playing the way he does, it draws so much attention to him, and doesn't give him much wiggle room when he starts being proven wrong.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Tell you what, there's a few posts from TheMan that I've liked this game.

VOTE: Skybird

Let's handle this one first.

[Errantparabola]

Off to a show, game's basically over, I just solved it, gg.

You don't think that this is the kind of attitude that will lead to you confbiasing your way through this game?

Molla, what show are you doing?

Errant, are you being sarcastic in post 209? Not quite sure what you are trying to convey to me.

I suppose I wasn't being clear enough and for that I am sorry.
Sarcasm off, I think that your response was terrible.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Both yourself and Bowie have expressed agreement in my case on Skybird.

Why have neither of you voted with me?

[Fostering Rave Bird]

Looks like I gotta do some catch up, my other head isn't posting it seems >.>
Thats fine, he isn't the cool head anyways.

-Fire

[Fostering Rave Bird]

Fire, why Kop?

He is a pretty nullish and not providing any content, also everyone of his posts are just ugh to read.

Unfortunately he is like this almost every game. So I really can't tell if he is scum for it. >.>

[Fostering Rave Bird]

lol is BBMolla reading me as town?
Ohh god, thats a first.

-Fire

[Fostering Rave Bird]

Not much to add in this, BBMolla acting like his usual self. If anything he is lot less aggro then he usually is.
I guess i haven't done anything to piss him off yet.

I should work on that

-Fire

[Fostering Rave Bird]

Sorry Fire, I've been busy and this game just sorta went "whoosh" over my head

I'm really not in the place to read through ten pages today, but tomorrow, I'll

find another excuse

read through.

-Dav

[BBmolla]

lol is BBMolla reading me as town?
Ohh god, thats a first.

-Fire

I don't expect to read you correctly based off your early play ever.

But you're gut town at the moment, especially for comments on this page.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Fire, why Kop?

He is a pretty nullish and not providing any content, also everyone of his posts are just ugh to read.

Unfortunately he is like this almost every game. So I really can't tell if he is scum for it. >.>

If you know he's null why vote him? This seems like a really lame excuse.

[Benevolent Dictator]

^accountant

[Skybird]

EP, so you thought my response was terrible. How about trying to talk to me and ask me something rather than just observing?

I will ask again, please re post any questions you want answered by me. Otherwise I will be answering them as I find them.

[Skybird]

TheMan you're blatantly whiteknighting Skybird right now. If you agreed with our last two points that would indicate that you at least think there is some reason to suspect them - and any townie in your position would be interested in looking at Skybird's reaction instead of defending someone you've just said had some scummy and inconsistent points. Unless you don't actually agree with those points, and you're just saying that to buddy with us.

- Accountant

I'm not whiteknighting, I disagree on ONE point, and yes I do find them suspicious, and

yes I am waiting for their response.

I can discuss this point with you while waiting.

P-EDIt

You guys calling something a joke in no way makes me disingenuous, it MAKE YOU DISINGENUOUS! Because you basically said me defending something as joke is scummy, and implied me calling jokes "jokes" is me being scummy and manipulative.

I'm looking through your ISO and I don't see a question from you to me. What response are you waiting for?

[Wanderer-nl]

@BBMolla: Why is Kop scum?

I don't know how to get into this. Someone ask me some questions, so I can evolve from there.