Open 615 - Hope Plus One [Game Over: Town wins]

[pignash]

Then it suddenly went into dark humor.
Nice.

Yeah I like Pignash so much right now I won't lynch him today.

Look at him buddying me.

[Kop]

Then it suddenly went into dark humor.
Nice.

Yeah I like Pignash so much right now I won't lynch him today.

Look at him buddying me.

*she

[pignash]

VOTE: Euclid

I don't like this very much. Naked vote in RVS right after a vote count making it clear you hadn't voted yet? At least put a joke reason, now it just looks like you're trying to not get caught being inactive.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kop

Explain why I'm wrong please.

p-edit: Sorry ma'am.

[Errantparabola]

I dont see anything alignment indicative about it.

You don't see anything alignment indicative about liking a vote and then changing it? Because that implies TheMan was lying, either with his words or his actions. You don't think lying is alignment indicative?

You seem awfully eager to let him off the hook here. I know a townie would have pushed that lead until he struck gold. Could it be because you are paired with him and are unwilling to push an early bus too far?

I wasn't lying, I think it was very clearly a joke in reference to Skybird self claiming OMGUS.

Thats pretty clearly not the point.
Dictator, i can see how you thought that was scummy, and I'll acquiesce.
However, I didnt think it was scummy then, and I dont think its scummy now. But i see your logic and its fine.

On the other hand I see absolutely nothing alignment indicative about what Kop did, pignash. Is that a serious vote?

[Errantparabola]

Actually you know what? I changed my mind. I think theres enough to talk sbout so that we are outside the stage of just making a naked vote and getting away with it.

VOTE: kop

Kop what so you thunk about what dictator is saying?

[Kop]

Well to be honest, I think he's over exaggerating a point, based purely on a joke, from what I saw of it. Is it alignment indicative from TMWSTW? I'd say no. During RVS, you make votes based with a joke, it isn't overly zealous to jump to a conclusion straight away.

@creative I don't get this comment.

"wouldnt mafia also push "leads" until they "strike gold"?"

I don't think mafia would push leads straight away, most mafia would be happy to sit back and let others fight it out, to then jump on when there is a good enough reason to jump on and not get much backlash day two?

[Errantparabola]

Well to be honest, I think he's over exaggerating a point, based purely on a joke, from what I saw of it. Is it alignment indicative from TMWSTW? I'd say no. During RVS, you make votes based with a joke, it isn't overly zealous to jump to a conclusion straight away.

Its not based on the joke, its based on me not pushing it when i thiught it was real.

[Kop]

So if you thought it was real, you asked the question, why didn't you put your vote there to pressure him more, than voting elsewhere and asking the question?

[Errantparabola]

Because i didnt think it was scummy. I feel like ive answered this

[Kop]

Fair enough. Like I said I took it as a joke, I think it's just been blown out of proportion.

VOTE: Creative

[Fostering Rave Bird]

Don't like any of the votes on Creative. Looking at you Kop. Looks stupid.
The beginning RQS is null.

Don't like Kop right now, slightly town on Errant cause I agree with them on a few things.
Also anyone except me not able to tell if accountant or RC is the one posting? Probably RC, but accountant can be aggro too lol.

They make a good hydra par.

Whereas me and dav are like one insane person and his sane friend. (I bet you can guess who is the insane one)

-Fire

[Kim]

@BD: Do you think TMWSTW's post 14 was alignment-indicative? Or is your inclusion of him in your grand accusation just an associative tell with EP?

(Also, since this is my first non-newbie game, it's my first experience with hydrae. Is it proper to ask questions to a hydra in general, or should I ask the respective players?)

Thanks Dictator that makes the job all that much easier.. I agree though the post from Creative leads a lot to be desired but the initial point is a good one to pick up on but not overly....I don't see a hard push to begin with

This sums up my thinking on the TMWSTW/EP/BD/Creative questioning. It seems like as good a thing for BD to push as anything else, but I've seen plenty of bad play from experienced players; therefore, I'm not yet convinced any of the three suspects are scum.

VOTE: Euclid

I don't like this very much. Naked vote in RVS right after a vote count making it clear you hadn't voted yet? At least put a joke reason, now it just looks like you're trying to not get caught being inactive.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kop

Explain why I'm wrong please.

Even though Kop's switched his vote, I think this is still deserving of an answer.

Don't like any of the votes on Creative.

Does Creative's post 42 seem appropriately defensive to you?

The beginning RQS is null.

Are you referring to the answers to what your greatest fear is being null, or just the fact that Creative was using RQs instead of RVs? If it's the latter, were you implying that that was part of various people's cases against Creative? If so, I didn't see it.

(FWIW, my greatest fear is Alzheimer's disease. It totally sucks, it's probably genetic, and both my mom's dad and my dad's mom had it.)

[Smudger]

Kop why did you change your vote, Creative has not answered you?

[Fostering Rave Bird]

(I bet you can guess who is the insane one)

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested.

~Dav

[Benevolent Dictator]

I'm not yet convinced any of the three suspects are scum.

They are pretty much confirmed now. We could just turbolynch all three and end the game right here right now.

[Kop]

VOTE: Euclid

I don't like this very much. Naked vote in RVS right after a vote count making it clear you hadn't voted yet? At least put a joke reason, now it just looks like you're trying to not get caught being inactive.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kop

Explain why I'm wrong please.

p-edit: Sorry ma'am.

I couldn't think of a joke to put towards my first vote. The person I have voted, yet has to post, similar to myself when I voted, thought a vote may have influenced a post from him.

Don't like any of the votes on Creative. Looking at you Kop. Looks stupid.
The beginning RQS is null.

Don't like Kop right now, slightly town on Errant cause I agree with them on a few things.
Also anyone except me not able to tell if accountant or RC is the one posting? Probably RC, but accountant can be aggro too lol.

They make a good hydra par.

Whereas me and dav are like one insane person and his sane friend. (I bet you can guess who is the insane one)

-Fire

It may be null, but he's yet to ask any questions that is relevant to the game. Apart from one that I disagree with.

Kop why did you change your vote, Creative has not answered you?

The person I voted for has yet to post, even still hasn't. I put my vote somewhere it may actually do something.

[Smudger]

The person I voted for has yet to post, even still hasn't. I put my vote somewhere it may actually do something.

and your vote will magically make that person appear in thread?

[Kop]

The person I voted for has yet to post, even still hasn't. I put my vote somewhere it may actually do something.

and your vote will magically make that person appear in thread?

Don't be pedantic.

You know facts that when you sign in, view the thread, see a vote on you, you think about that vote, which will in turn (should gain a reaction).

I can see a thousand questions, answer them all, and walk away. Put a vote on to back a question up, gives it a different sway of things.

[Smudger]

pedantic?, no not pedantic, more like realistic.. anyway moving on

[Kop]

pedantic?, no not pedantic, more like realistic.. anyway moving on

Do you agree/disagree with that scum would rather sit back, than chase leads, early game?

Or do you believe that I am thinking all wrong on that stance.

[Jeanne11]

Votecount

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Skybird: 1 - TheManWhoSoldTheWorld
Fostering Rave Bird: 1 - Wanderer-nl
Sinsun1: 0
Benevolent Dictator: 1 - Skybird
Smudger: 0
Errantparabola: 1 - Benevolent Dictator
Wanderer-nl: 1 - Fostering Rave Bird
Kop: 1 - pignash, Errantparabola
Euclid: 0
TheManWhoSoldTheWorld: 1 - Kim
Creative: 1 - Kop
pignash: 1 - Smudger
Kim: 0

Not voting: Sinsun1, Smudger,Euclid, Creative, TheManWhoSoldTheWorld

Deadline

2015-11-27 00:00:00

[Smudger]

I agree that in general terms scum will sit back and watch, but then again so do a lot of players who play town early in a game, its pretty much a question of playing styles. There are player who love to get stuck in when playing as town and produce some good information while cross examining others. They produce very good questions and push well. then there are players who play as town whose main inputs are one liners. then you have players who have a really good scum game who emulate to a great extent those town players who get stuck in. In my opinion I think the reason so many games see so many town players going down early in the game is because they are the "oneliners" and, as I stated at the beginning of this post the reason for that is to most the thought that scum will sit back and watch leads them to focus on players who are not contributing much to the game content.

So I don't think you are wrong no, if its the way you play then ok, but then I don't know how you play the game as any alignment...

[Wanderer-nl]

Then it suddenly went into dark humor.
Nice.

Yeah I like Pignash so much right now I won't lynch him today.

Look at him buddying me.

I'm also very fond of Firebringer
UNVOTE:

Getting uneasy feelings from Kim, their posting feels awkward to me. For example:

This sums up my thinking on the TMWSTW/EP/BD/Creative questioning. It seems like as good a thing for BD to push as anything else, but I've seen plenty of bad play from experienced players; therefore, I'm not yet convinced any of the three suspects are scum.

I don't even know what you are trying to say here. Do you like Dictator's push or do you think it was bad play?

[Creative]

i will be posting in like a few hours friends!

[Kim]

Getting uneasy feelings from Kim, their posting feels awkward to me. For example:

This sums up my thinking on the TMWSTW/EP/BD/Creative questioning. It seems like as good a thing for BD to push as anything else, but I've seen plenty of bad play from experienced players; therefore, I'm not yet convinced any of the three suspects are scum.

I don't even know what you are trying to say here. Do you like Dictator's push or do you think it was bad play?

I think BD's push was good play, directed at suboptimal play by EP and Creative. That doesn't mean I agree with BD's conclusion that the three of them are scum. (Sadly, disagreeing with me is mostly NAI -- the game would be a lot easier if it weren't.)

I'm less a fan of BD ignoring my question to them, although it may just be that the person who replied wasn't the person who posted that.

About my posting style: I often don't express my thoughts well unless I heavily edit my posts. When I have real-life conversations, the people I'm talking to have to stop me repeatedly and ask clarifying questions. I apologize for that in the past, present, and future.