LoL eSports Discussion

[Cabd]

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegend ... on/cww547y

The line that says that Sven can't sign has been changed to add "we believe". You can tell by looking at the skype change icon... so H2K Richard is trying to change the logs after the fact.

[xRECKONERx]

I don't really like Regi, but he didn't come across as skeevy to me. Coming to an agreement to trial Sven makes sense. Loans are pretty common in some sports (Soccer is the best example). I don't really get the objection.

I dunno, I kinda see TSM as this powerhouse esports juggernaut with limitless resources to comparatively smaller orgs like H2k, so I'm predisposed to be biased against his actions

[mykonian]

This is going to be awesome!

TSM have this amazing image. Lets not deny, you can like how they play or not, they aren't the most cozy or pleasant org. And they signed doublelift, America's nr1 dick! But we aren't done yet, this team needs more hatefulness. TSM svenskeren fits the picture perfectly. Say, get xpecial for support, apparently cris is the most toxic toplaner in NA, and you'll have a team full of people shouting at bjergsen and alienating TSM fans.

I cannot wait. Make this happen.

[Saki]

Tsm has fans?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Ya, it's called the USA population

Similar to Fnatic's fanbase being Europe's population

[Glork]

Ya, it's called the USA population

Uh, no. TSM sucks ass. C9 for life.

[quadz08]

^

[PJ.]

Is Aphromoo still a really good ADC? Could he replace DoubleLift?

[AGar]

Ya, it's called the USA population

Uh, no. TSM sucks ass. C9 for life.

Haterzzz gon' hate

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Hehehe. Must admit a tsm consisting of svenskeren, bjergsen, doublelift and kasing must bring enoigh drama. I expect roster changes to be eminent there.

PowerofEvil to OG would be hot shit too though, in a positive manner.

Curious who JinAir GBM is gonna join in NA. Liquid?

[MTD]

So, lets talk EVER.

[Venmar]

SKT is trash

[mykonian]

Ya, it's called the USA population

Uh, no. TSM sucks ass. C9 for life.

You fucking commie.

[BROseidon]

lol @ people in the TSM roster announcement thread trying to say Hauntzer isn't top western talent.

Dude was the 3rd best top laner in NA last split.

[The Bulge]

Help help I might be a TSM fan

;-;

[mykonian]

lol @ people in the TSM roster announcement thread trying to say Hauntzer isn't top western talent.

Dude was the 3rd best top laner in NA last split.

that was so the wrong moment to use western

What use is it if he's 3rd in NA when he'd be 10th or so in the west? Suppose we don't even count the imports, then you'd still have soaz, zorozero, odoamne, wicked, fredy, czacsi, cabochard, zion, at least who talentwise are probably his betters.

I have no clue what sven does on this roster though. He lost to G2. Got relegated. Why the hell does the team that always plays for the championship want that guy. Hauntzer is serviceable and with bjergsen and doublelift that's probably all you want from toplane. Kasing got worlds experience, but might have had the perfect roster for him. Maybe that works out. But sven, idk man. That cannot have been the best option available.

[animorpherv1]

Sven was also the only thing keeping SK even somewhat afloat in a large portion of summer split.

[BROseidon]

lol @ people in the TSM roster announcement thread trying to say Hauntzer isn't top western talent.

Dude was the 3rd best top laner in NA last split.

that was so the wrong moment to use western

What use is it if he's 3rd in NA when he'd be 10th or so in the west? Suppose we don't even count the imports, then you'd still have soaz, zorozero, odoamne, wicked, fredy, czacsi, cabochard, zion, at least who talentwise are probably his betters.

I have no clue what sven does on this roster though. He lost to G2. Got relegated. Why the hell does the team that always plays for the championship want that guy. Hauntzer is serviceable and with bjergsen and doublelift that's probably all you want from toplane. Kasing got worlds experience, but might have had the perfect roster for him. Maybe that works out. But sven, idk man. That cannot have been the best option available.

Lol, hauntzer is def better than wickd, Fredy, czaci. He certainly performed on average better than Zion last split (Zion has higher highs but lower lows). Cabo is debatable - I'd put them around the same level. Zoro isn't worth talking about anymore since he's been out of the scene for so long.

The only western tops id rather have than hauntzer are odo, quas, in that order. Huni and impact would be on that list, but they're Korean.

Also, Sven was still good on SK. SK lost because of bad macro play + their bot lane and fredy being terribad.

[mykonian]

suppose that team played last worlds. Do you think they'd have made it out of groups?

Idk, it's fine for NA, but these aren't world beaters. Like maybe on just doublelift/bjergsen's talent they go to a championship, but I'd have to see it.

[BROseidon]

suppose that team played last worlds. Do you think they'd have made it out of groups?

Idk, it's fine for NA, but these aren't world beaters. Like maybe on just doublelift/bjergsen's talent they go to a championship, but I'd have to see it.

Depends a lot on team synergy/macro play, but the individual talent would definitely be there. Origen almost won that group with individual players that, on average, aren't much better. You also have to take into consideration that Origen was a team that was 4/5 vets, with Niels being the only player there who at this point is really getting better. Kasing and Hauntzer are both players that are early in their careers and have the potential to improve even further than they are right now (and both were already top 3 in their respective positions).

Sven has the most potential to not meet expectations here, imo, but he'd have to fall off from where he was even last split.

[Shanba]

Not sure I really agree with that warm assessment. Kasing, incidentally, has been around since season 3, just on non-entity teams like dignitas uk and myrevenge. H2k is just the first time he's had any real success. I think he's a good player, but I don't think he's an exceptional player. I also don't have a good grasp on where sven is right now since SK was such a disaster last season. Hauntzer I like but I think you overrate him. We'll see though.

It's worth noting that with Origen, although they have some "weak" players on their team, the advantage of having that many veterans is that they know how to win - they played above themselves in the clutch numerous times to get to where they did, which is something I think is more a characteristic of very experienced players. Players, in league, have not tended to improve with time, so the advantage you get in traditional sports from a roster of new players doesn't transfer to esports as neatly. The room to grow thing just doesn't compute. There are of course some exceptions (Pobelter, maybe? Could even argue for Doublelift viz his time on Epik Gamer?) but I think by and large it holds.

I guess I agree with Myko, I see them as a top NA team but I don't see them troubling the best teams in the world, who are just more talented.

Edit: Oh, also, what was good enough last season wont be good enough next season. That's why OG have replaced Xpeke, for example.

[MTD]

That's why OG have replaced Xpeke, for example.

Except they didn't, did they?
Didn't they get PoE as a 6th player?

[Shanba]

huh, the risk of just reading video titles instead of reading the content

[mykonian]

well, the core message is the same. Xpeke just has trouble letting go.

[Saki]

its also really hard to 'get better over time' because the game meta changes so much
league of legends is unique in the fact that it is literally the only moba to constantly initiate such widespread changes

like look at season 3 skt
iirc faker said something along the lines of 'we had terrible synergy but just really good mechanics individually and that's why we won'
if you recap s3 it was pretty much impact on jax splitpushing top with faker running around killing people
they tried to do that going into season 4 and failed miserably only to bounce back after making significant roster changes, esp. marin as lead shotcaller

its really hard for a player to stay on top of the game at all times, and its why players like madlife are praised so much (iirc he has never failed to be top3 support in LCK)

thats why a lot of players experience big swings in their careers when the meta shifts in different directions
like dade
his nickname was 'trash' because he was insanely bad when he debuted in s2
I think he died trying to solo blue in a match in s3 split
but then he went from being worst mid in the LCK to #2 on SSB
and now he's back to feeding on some chinese team



on a diff note
now that riot has decided to dumb down the mechanics and pump up the shotcalling gameplay-wise (ever since Righteous Glory was released)
teams that have a language barrier between players (note: foreign teams with imported talent) are going to struggle a LOT
i honestly dont see any team with someone that doesnt speak the language on their team ever being able to win a bo5 against a team who does

after SHRC, i havent seen many teams with imported talent play well (apart from EDG, FNC; but EDG has an insane roster: koro, clearlove, pawn, deft, meiko--they were all top1 in their respective roles at one point and on FNC i do believe reignover and huni both speak enough english)
and i think that trend will continue to be that way

/end random rant