Mini #406, Animaniacs! Water Tower Explosion! [Over]

[VitaminR]

I had two theories last Friday. They were:

1) Fuldu as scum roleblocker
2) Thesp failing his post restriction triggering a mass block (but not his own death)

This is 1):

Alternatively, one of Fuldu/Fritz is a scum roleblocker lying about their result to cover themselves and spread confusion, but that doesn't seem all that likely.

This is 2):

Well, we seem to be dealing with a role that blocks all night actions. I thought Thesp's role may have been a trigger for that or something. In retrospect, that doesn't really make sense, because it help scum.

Kind of a bad town role to have, though. A post restriction and a mass block. Perhaps he broke his post restriction the day before.

Actually, that works. Thesp posted something in caps every day except Day 4.

I suppose my use of the word "mass block" is what is causing confusion here. I was referring to a block of all pro-town night actions, since it hadn't occurred to me that Thesp's death could have been self-inflicted.

Both situations complicate a Fulduscum scenario. I was specifically thinking of the first one earlier, since I'd already dismissed the second one.

The third scenario (Thesp triggering his own death and blocking all actions, not just blocking Fuldu & Fritzler) is what occurred to me later.

Do you believe it is plausible it was an ability used by town, or caused by a town role, but unknowingly?

Yes, as I've said before, I think Thesp's role may have caused a mass block.

Without him knowing about it?

Yes, though he may have known. I don't think he planned to fail his restriction yesterday.

[Seol]

Firstly re: "No, that's a lie. It's occurred to you before", the distinction between what you claim to have originally been thinking:

2) Thesp failing his post restriction triggering a mass block (but not his own death)

I suppose my use of the word "mass block" is what is causing confusion here. I was referring to a block of all pro-town night actions, since it hadn't occurred to me that Thesp's death could have been self-inflicted.

And what you proposed when queried:

3) Thesp had a martyr-type role. Failing his post restriction meant dying the next night, but also blocking all night actions.

Is that:

a) it did not occur to you originally that Thesp's failing to satisfy his restriction would result in his death,
b) given that in this situation Thesp's death is unexplained your natural conclusion was that his role was limited to blocking pro-town roles only, and
c) you consider the two situations to be substantially different explanations for the results we got this morning?

Am I understanding you correctly?

Also, where are Fuldu, Fritzler and JDodge?

[Seol]

Hello?

[VitaminR]

Yes, Seol, that is what I meant.

I don't entirely see the significance of it, though.

[Fuldu]

I'm back from complicated real world difficulties, hopefully for some time.

Seol, I'm sorry you're displeased with the quality of my role flavor, but that's something you'll have to take up with the mod. As to the ambiguity, though, I don't think the role has been in any way ambiguous. My result on Foolster was unequivocally "not human." Foolster wasn't certain what he should claim, but that's a lack of clarity unrelated to my role results. I was told that any character that is not explicitly human would come out not human and that has been the case. I'm not even sure who the other ambiguous character you're thinking of is.

Also, I think something that's missing in the discussion of whether I am a scum-roleblocker who saved his block in order to further my lies. If it weren't for Thesp as an alternate explanation, such a lie would have no reasonable cover to hide in. And the notion that as scum I'd save a roleblock for later use in the hopes that something unexpected would happen the night I decide to use it that people might think was the cause of the roleblock is just silly.

[Fritzler]

Also, where are Fuldu, Fritzler and JDodge?

holler

im watching this play out

[Seol]

fuldu first.

I'm back from complicated real world difficulties, hopefully for some time.

good to have you back!

As to the ambiguity, though, I don't think the role has been in any way ambiguous. My result on Foolster was unequivocally "not human." Foolster wasn't certain what he should claim, but that's a lack of clarity unrelated to my role results. I was told that any character that is not explicitly human would come out not human and that has been the case. I'm not even sure who the other ambiguous character you're thinking of is.

chicken boo was the other ambiguous one. yes technically it is unambiguously nonhuman but the whole point of the character is that it looks like a human, it's not unreasonable to think he might

investigate as

human.

i'm not saying you get wishy-washy results back, just that there are two roles where, for a pretty black-and-white result, it's arguably not clear to the claimant what would be returned.

Also, I think something that's missing in the discussion of whether I am a scum-roleblocker who saved his block in order to further my lies.

oh, the point of the discussion with vitaminr (from my perspective) is not to establish what happened last night, but what happened in vitaminr's head.

If it weren't for Thesp as an alternate explanation, such a lie would have no reasonable cover to hide in. And the notion that as scum I'd save a roleblock for later use in the hopes that something unexpected would happen the night I decide to use it that people might think was the cause of the roleblock is just silly.

i don't know what happened last night. i'm not really buying the thesp explanation - it seems pretty out-there - but i don't have any alternative theories that aren't equally out-there. but just to throw out a couple of possibles: you have a one-shot roleblock that can be used as well as your kill, you had a one-shot mass block that can be used as well as your kill, or you had noticed that thesp had a post restriction which he failed to maintain and thus was going to die and decided to block instead of kill to try and frame vitaminr as a godfather (yes, i know that would be instead of putting us in lol).

none of these are particularly good theories, i will give you that. but then neither is the thesp one, and as i don't think we're dealing with a simple straightforward situation i don't like drawing conclusions off wild-assed guesses.

[JDodge]

Also, where are Fuldu, Fritzler and JDodge?

I've been sick.

That being said I'm watching how this exchange sorts itself out.

[VitaminR]

Seol, I don't think one-shot blocking powers make much sense. There's no reason to have waited this late with using them.

A scum roleblocker could work. It may explain the discrepancies in Foolster's claim.

[VitaminR]

Seol, what are your conclusions concerning me?

[VitaminR]

Hello?

[Fritzler]

bump for s to the eozzle

[VitaminR]

Seol, what are your conclusions concerning me?

[petroleumjelly]

They're Ani-mani,
Totally insane-y,
Here's the Flame-y:

ANIMANIACS!

These are the Facts:

Fuldu – 1 – Seol

With

5

alive, it takes

3

to lynch!

Not Voting – 4 – Fritzler, Fuldu, JDodge, VitaminR

All players who have not posted in the last week {Fuldu, JDodge, Seol} are being prodded. Why gee, that's over half the players! Sounds like you all would like to go to night, if there is nothing to say. Deadline is being set for September 11, 11:59 pm PST.

[Seol]

re VitaminR: I started on the line of enquiry when you were throwing out what looked like very bizarre theories, which made me think perhaps you had more information about what happened last night than we did.

Conclusion: I don't buy it. There's no cast-iron contradictions but a lot of the explanations for apparent contradictions are semantic, and the thought process doesn't really make sense to me at all. Things like the "Thesp died as part of the mass block" being an afterthought after you cite the reason it occurred to you that night events were triggered by missing a post restriction were based on a game where failing post restrictions killed you don't gel - I can understand thinking it and dismissing it, but not that it didn't occur to you. I don't believe the thought process you've described is the one you actually had.

So I find different things scummy about two different people - VitR and Fuldu, who are two of the only three people who could be scum here (assuming it's Yakko) - not exactly a massively adventurous conclusion. My feeling is the case on Fuldu is stronger so my vote will remain there.

Sorry that took so long.

[VitaminR]

Things like the "Thesp died as part of the mass block" being an afterthought after you cite the reason it occurred to you that night events were triggered by missing a post restriction

were based on a game where failing post restrictions killed you don't gel

- I can understand thinking it and dismissing it, but not that it didn't occur to you.

I never said this. I only thought of that role in Verbose Mafia and how it was similar later.

I don't believe the thought process you've described is the one you actually had.

Thought processes are always going to sound somewhat contrived if you spend so much time rooting through someone's impression of their own thinking.

[Fritzler]

i fully support a semi-random lynch at this point

[VitaminR]

I have to admit I'm somewhat clueless too at the moment...

I think it's either of Fuldu and JDodge. If pressed, I'd probably go for JDodge at this point.

[JDodge]

I'd prefer Fuldu, then VitR. Enough that I am willing to

Vote: Fuldu

at the moment.

[Fritzler]

so hard not to hammer...

[Fritzler]

oh gently caress it

following seol is never wrong

vote: fuldu

hammah

[petroleumjelly]

They're Ani-mani,
Totally insane-y,
Ehh...

ANIMANIACS!

Which this network jacks.

Fuldu – 3 – Seol, JDodge, Fritzler

With

5

alive, it takes

3

to lynch!

Not Voting – 2 – Fuldu, VitaminR

Fuldu has been lynched. Lynch scene coming right up.

[petroleumjelly]

Wheel of Mortality, turn turn turn...
Tell us the info that we should learn:

*DING!*

1.) Fuldu has received

3

of

3

votes necessary to lynch.
2.) Fuldu has therefore been lynched.
3.) Did you know the capital of Assyria is Ninevah?
4.) A Møøse once bit my sister...
5.) The average wingspeed vel-

C

R

A

S

H

!

We apologize for the fault in the Wheel of Mortality. It appears to have exploded. Those who are responsible have been sacked.

Fuldu suddenly pulls a baton from his belt. "Now I dunno what you critters want..." he says slowly, pointing at those voting for him, "but I gotta watch to make sure those lousy Warner Siblings don't get out of the Water Tower. Cuz, I uh-"... suddenly an almanac falls from his pants. "Because I fear they already are" he says quickly, turning foot while the rest of false guard clothes fall to the ground.

The town chases him to the water tower, where he stops and turns around very, very slowly. Yakko has a positively

evil

grin spreading across his face. "You've been trying to lock me and my siblings in this tower for years... but we could not allow that to happen any longer." He pulls a box from behind his back. "Constantly bickering with that dumb guard, Ralph. Constantly being 'treated' by that fool Scratchansniff. I've had quite enough." Upon turning the box, a handle is visibly protruding from the top of it. "It ends now. You may have beaten us, but none of

you

will be getting out of

this

.

He pushes the handle, and there is yet another:

• C

[petroleumjelly]

Role PMs

Mafia

Yakko

You are Yakko, the annoyingly verbose and intellectual Warner Sibling. It seems like some of the characters at the Warner Bros. Studio have been latently itching to throw you, along with your two siblings, Wakko [Sailor Jerry] and Dot [HurriKaty] in the Water Tower for good – and as the mafia, it’s your job to annihilate these nay-sayers before that can happen!

Each night, the three of you may decide on one Warner Sibling to send in a nightkill on any player other than a member of your mafia group (although you may certainly choose to forego kills). If you are performing the kill, the victim will be physically beaten with an almanac. You may also talk with each other pre-game.

In addition to being part of the Mafia, being as well-learned as you are in the ways of Geography and the Universe, you can determine with a single glance whether or not somebody is a fully functioning human (in the normal sense of fully functioning, and hence does not include degrees of mental instability). Each night you may choose to investigate another player, and you will be told whether that player is ‘human’ or ‘not human’.

You win when at least half of the living players are mafia, or when nothing can prevent the same.

Your group has three safe-claims which you may use instead of your actual name should you choose to do so. Those names are: Pesto, Ralph, and Slappy Squirrel.

PM me if you have any questions.

Mod Note: Sane "Human" Cop.

• Receives "Human" for {Hello Nurse, Dr. Otto Scratchansniff, and Katie Ka-Boom}.
• Receives "Non-Human" for {Wakko, Dot, Mr. Skullhead, Buttons, Chicken Boo, Brain, Rita, and Pinky}.

Wakko

You are Wakko, the ever-hungry and ever-oblivious Warner Sibling. It seems like some of the characters at the Warner Bros. Studio have been latently waiting to throw you, along with your two siblings, Yakko [Fuldu] and Dot [HurriKaty] in the Water Tower for good – and as the mafia, it’s your job to annihilate these nay-sayers before that can happen!

Each night, the three of you may decide on one Warner Sibling to send in a nightkill on any player other than a member of your mafia group (although you may certainly choose to forego kills). If you are performing the kill, the victim will be driven insane. You may also talk with each other pre-game.

You have no extra abilities. You win when at least half of the living players are mafia, or when nothing can prevent the same.

Your group has three safe-claims which you may use instead of your actual name should you choose to do so. Those names are: Pesto, Ralph, and Slappy Squirrel.

PM me if you have any questions.

Dot

You are Princess Angelina Contessa Louisa Francesca Banana Fana Bo Besca the Third—lovingly known as Dot—and you are the cutest and most lovable of the Warner Siblings. It seems like some of the characters at the Warner Bros. Studio have been latently waiting to throw you, along with your two siblings, Yakko [Fuldu] and Wakko [Sailor Jerry] in the Water Tower for good – and as the mafia, it’s your job to annihilate these nay-sayers before that can happen!

Each night, the three of you may decide on one Warner Sibling to send in a nightkill on any player other than a member of your mafia group (although you may certainly choose to forego kills). If you are performing the kill, the victim will be hugged to death. You may also talk with each other pre-game.

You have no extra abilities. You win when at least half of the living players are mafia, or when nothing can prevent the same.

Your group has three safe-claims which you may use instead of your actual name should you choose to do so. Those names are: Pesto, Ralph, and Slappy Squirrel.

PM me if you have any questions.

Town

Mr. Skullhead

[flat voice]

It’s that time again. Time for another… Good Idea. Bad Idea.

You are Mr. Skullhead, the skeletal character with a skull for a head (imagine!). Bad things often happen to you. All things considered, your “life” is rather unfortunate.

You are an Inventor, but you have only two night-choices. Once during the game, you may give any player (other than yourself) a Good Idea, the affect of which you are currently unaware of. Once during the game, you may conversely give any player (other than yourself) a Bad Idea, the affect of which you are currently unaware of. You may use both of these Ideas on the same night if you choose, but once you use an Idea, it will be gone forever. It seems that’s the way ideas work anyways.

You win with the town, when only members of the town are living.

PM me if you have any questions.

Mod Note: 2-Shot Inventor.

• Good Idea – Gives scum 1-Shot immediate double-kill; gives town 1-Shot immediate self-protection.
• Bad Idea – Delays scum action for one night; role-blocks any town.
• Good Idea + Bad Idea (Same Target) – No effect

Hello Nurse

HellllllloooooOOOOOOO NURSE! You are the buxom, attractive nurse who always manages to find

somebody

hopping in your lap for some reason or another.

You are a Gender Cop. You might not be smart enough to determine whether or not somebody is evil by looking through their belongings, but you sure know it when a male character from Animaniacs! jumps into your arms. Each night you may investigate one player, and you be told whether that player is male or female.

You win with the town, when only members of the town are living.

PM me if you have any questions.

Mod Note: Sane "Gender" Cop.

• Receives "Male" for {Yakko, Wakko, Buttons, Chicken Boo, Brain, Dr. Otto Scratchansniff, and Brain}.
• Receives "Non-Male" for {Dot, Mr. Skullhead, Rita, and Katie Ka-Boom}.

Buttons

“Buttons, you naughty dog! Why haven’t you been watching Mindy!?” *thwacks with newspaper*.

You are Buttons, the underappreciated protector of innocents. You have realized that it has become increasingly common that in order for you to help other people, you must willingly be able to sacrifice yourself.

You are a Martyr. Each night, you may protect one person all nightkills: if that player would die, you will die instead. How noble of you!

You win with the town, when only members of the town are living.

PM me if you have any questions.

Mod Note: Regular Martyr role - dies in place of target.

Chicken Boo

Chicken Boo, what’s the matter with you?
You don’t act like the other chickens do.
You wear a disguise to look like human guys.
But you’re not a man, you’re a chicken, Boo.

You are giant chicken named Chicken Boo. You pretty much stand around and go largely ignored in general crowds. Since people don’t really notice you, there is practically nothing stopping you from simply standing in one spot and watching things without being detected.

You are a non-traditional Watcher. Each night, you may submit one player who you wish to watch for one night. If the player you are watching is nightkilled (and

only

if that player is nightkilled), you will be told every player who targeted that player.

You win with the town, when only members of the town are living.

PM me if you have any questions.

Mod Note: Watcher who only sees players who target somebody on nights on which the watched player dies. Notably, if the Mafia had targeted somebody besides the Martyr and the Martyr died in that players' stead, Chicken Boo would

not

have seen the Mafia kill that player, since the Mafia would not have

targeted

that player.

Brain

“Are you pondering what I’m pondering?”

Indeed you are pondering what you are pondering, for you are Brain, the asker of the question. Sadly, you have been too busy thinking about how to take over the world lately, so you have failed to set up any defensive preparations for the recent attack on Warner Bros. Studios.

As such, you are a Townie. You have no night choices. You win with the town, when only members of the town are living.

PM me if you have any questions.

Dr. Otto Scratchansniff

Ackpth! You are the rational, composed, completely sane psychologist Dr. Otto Scratchansniff. Although you may have lost a few hairs here and there, your mind is still in (reasonably) good shape.

You are a Townie, and you have no night choices. You win with the town, when only members of the town are living.

PM me if you have any questions.

Rita

You are Rita, the wanderlust cat looking for a home. You have for many a year roamed the streets with your good friend Runt, a dog who (for whatever reason) thinks you are also a dog. Although you are known for your singing abilities (and subsequent natural reaction of dodging flying boots), you otherwise have no powers.

You are a Townie. You win with the town, when only members of the town are living.

PM me if you have any questions.

Pinky

Narf! You are Pinky, the loveable and often slow-witted mouse. You may have a penchant for finding ways to screw up Brains’ plans to take over the world, but it seems as if this is a different realm of activity entirely.

Or at least you hope so. Or at least you think so… but you’re

already

naked. Poit.

You are a Townie. You have no abilities. You win with the town, when only members of the town are living.

PM me if you have any questions.

Katie Ka-Boom

YOU’RE A TEENAGER!

Life can get you really, really angry. The slightest mishap can cause you to live up to your name, Katie Ka-Boom. At least once per day, you must completely “explode” on at least one person, or something bad may happen to you the following night.

Since “exploding” is rather subjective, all you must do is have at least three consecutive sentences directed at one player while using caps-lock, or large-sized letters, or underlined text (or any combination of such). If you believe something else also qualifies as “going ka-boom”, simply PM me and I will give you either the thumbs-up or the thumbs-down.

Other than that, you are a Townie, and you have no abilities. You win with the town, when only members of the town are living.

PM me if you have any questions.

Mod Note: If Katie Ka-Boom does not go Ka-Boom during the day, she must necessarily go Ka-Boom during the night. She will explode (figuratively - not literally), and all town roles (and scum Cop ability) will be blocked if Katie Ka-Boom fails her post restriction. The only action that will go through is a nightkill from scum. All investigatory roles will receive "No Result".

[VitaminR]

Mod Note: If Katie Ka-Boom does not go Ka-Boom during the day, she must necessarily go Ka-Boom during the night. She will explode (figuratively - not literally), and all town roles (and scum Cop ability) will be blocked if Katie Ka-Boom fails her post restriction. The only action that will go through is a nightkill from scum. All investigatory roles will receive "No Result".

Ha!

I did find Seol's case convincing, but I didn't get the feeling Fuldu was lying about his ability. Suppose that's something to learn from.

::Mod Edited to fix tag::