Blitz 1: C9++ (GAME OVER!)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I don't negotiate with terrorists.

[OceanWind]

Here's the scum motivation that I see in Firebringer's posts:

Post 69 - Discredits Titus by calling her "bad town" so her reads are discounted. In a vacuum that isn't scummy but what is scummy is that once Titus starts getting townread mid-D1, he changes course to suck up to Titus.

Post 71 - Rolefishes Vedith. If Firebringer thought outing roles in this game was beneficial, he would have claimed along with the others. His lack of saying anything about his role is sufficient evidence that he's against mass claim. 127 shows he's reluctant about the mass claim. Yet, he tries to get other players to hint about their roles. Early signs that he has a motive to kill Vedith's slot.

Post 184 - Opportunistic hop onto that Blocky wagon putting him at L-1. Up until this point, Firebringer had no reads or stances and his ISO consisted of fluff. His only mention of Blockyman is in 131 where he says he would be surprised if one of the four names Ranger listed including Blockyman was scum. For a visual reference, going from here:

Overall, pretty confident in {

BlockyMan

(emphasis mine), Firebringer, Marge, EspeciallyTheLies}. I'd be extremely surprised to see a scum outside these names.

Id be surprised if even two of those names are scum.

To here:

VOTE: Blocky
For that town cred yo.

Thats L-1 for anyone who can't follow.

is opportunistic scum hopping onto the biggest wagon.

Meanwhile, in the interim, these were blockyman's only posts:

Spoiler: Blockyman posts

Am I allow to go offline to watch football games? VOTE: Titus Titus has gotten awfully scummy.

PEDIT: I dont think Titus is town.

I do think marge is scum too. I think we got 2 of em.

Neither of these posts are ones that Firebringer commented on or engaged with.

Post 504 - Implies that Kraeg should think jumping on the Blocky wagon is scummy despite Firebringer actually doing it and later votes Kraeg when the Blocky wagon falls apart and me and Titus argue. This is scum sitting back and watching which way the tides will turn by voting a low content poster who isn't there to defend himself and who very likely is town anyways for the QT slip.

Post 659 and Post 660 - Concocts an excuse to telegraph a vote on me while at the same time taking back his suspicion by saying it could be playstyle to placate me.

Post 680 - Stirs the pot between EspeciallyTheLies and Titus and inflames their argument.

Post 714 - His vote on me. What happened to "that could just be playstyle" excuse that he was posting earlier? Suddenly he's all gung-ho about my wagon asking people to join him despite the vote being a sheep of Titus's. He's using Titus to lead the lynch on me while he watches from the sidelines.

Post 1193 - Similar to Ranger, he opens up with a "how could you guys lynch Titus, bad Ythan," which is the typical scum who whiteknighted a mislynch the previous day reaction. He now wants to have a sense of superiority because we idiots lynched someone that he correctly "called" as town.

Since then Firebringer has been coasting, fluffing and posting nothing of substance. His entire ISO consists of fluff to content at a ratio of approximately 20:1. Nearly all the posts I didn't comment on consist of non-game relevant trolling. I invite you to check his ISO yourself.

[Marge]

How is ythan's fluff of nothing town?
You just went through with saying fire is fluff posting but again with even even linking anything ythan voted on wagons without a fucking reason ever stated that explained why.
Not a single one.
So calling fire fluff posting over ythan who has taken vague to an art form that is not normal I'm just going to say simply.

[OceanWind]

Fluff is not the only reason I'm scumreading Firebringer if you look at my case.

"Fluff" is different from vagueness. Firebringer's posts consist of things like

"So I put it in backwards for the site when I signed up. Hahahaha That gives credit to the "Firebringer is a moron theory"

and

"Why does it say its my birthday lol, I logged out to check. Mine is 8/11 lol"

and

"Whose birthday is it?"

and

"I work for a small family business."

and

"I am a simple humble farmer, I don't know what your fancy words mean kind sir."

That's different from Ythan's vagueness. I don't get why you think "fluff" was the only thing I suspect Firebringer for anyways when I elaborated on why his content posts are suspicious. I do think he has a high ratio of fluff to content and that's scummy and the content he posted is also scummy.

But help me out here - why in your mind is Firebringer town but Ythan scum?

[Marge]

Fluff is not the only reason I'm scumreading Firebringer if you look at my case.

"Fluff" is different from vagueness. Firebringer's posts consist of things like

"So I put it in backwards for the site when I signed up. Hahahaha That gives credit to the "Firebringer is a moron theory"

and

"Why does it say its my birthday lol, I logged out to check. Mine is 8/11 lol"

and

"Whose birthday is it?"

and

"I work for a small family business."

and

"I am a simple humble farmer, I don't know what your fancy words mean kind sir."

That's different from Ythan's vagueness. I don't get why you think "fluff" was the only thing I suspect Firebringer for anyways when I elaborated on why his content posts are suspicious. I do think he has a high ratio of fluff to content and that's scummy and the content he posted is also scummy.

But help me out here - why in your mind is Firebringer town but Ythan scum?

Your taking everyday comments as scummy.
You realize that?
The birthday comment was because players wished him happy birthday before that.
Putting a game on the back burner happens and with a game that has prods and short deadlines posting to no get prodded is going to happen.

You want why firebringer is a town read.
How about the fact I already stated day 1 about expecting scum to push on Titus because of her claim and fire wasn't doing that?
How about as far as giving reasons and a thought processes in this game fire is one of the few trying to figure things out in this game.

You have yet to explain your town read on ythan by the way.

[Marge]

ocean:i read most of this now
First of all you call fire opportunitic for voting blocky and scummy for wking Titus.
I hate post like that because your basically saying damn you for voting and how dare you not vote.
That's just crazy. Fire explained his town read on Titus.
Second saying he maybe fooled by your robot behavior doesn't mean he just lets it go permanently, that's just not ever going to happen.
So of the links made no sense at all to what was going on during the time.
Finally after what happened to Titus there is no way in hell in following you, nor should you think your reads are right.

[Ranger]

That looked like scum putting up a false bravado front because she was nervous, similar to a first-time speaker prepping themselves before a speech.

I've been playing mafia for longer than you, m'dear. I never feel nervous in a game. The only emotions I feel are amusement, boredom, and frustration.

Take a guess which I'm mostly feeling right now.

Ranger's defense of Persivul smelled like bullshit and her being too sure of Persivul and complimenting his arguments against EspeciallyTheLies looked like the kind of certainty scum have when they know that a townie is town.

Uh-huh. And me almost-immediately backtracking on that read to null-at-best was me doing...what, exactly?

How do you not see scum defending her in that manner?

Because either the scum thought she was a real vig who could shoot in a manner detrimental to them, OR, they legitimately thought she was a serial killer, and therefore being on her lynch wagon would not be suspicious. (Plus, getting rid of a serial killer by lynch removes a wild card they cannot account for.) In short, scum have

every

reason to SK-hunt; town does not. So a player defending her, by extension, is practically confirmed town.

[ProHawk]

Why hasn't Ythan dismantled his wagon by criticizing his wagon?

[Firebringer]

Yeah, Ocean I find it hypocritical you keep shitting on me for my "fluff" yet you don't address that Ythan has been doing nothing but being vague and giving fluff.
Look at his ISO. It doesn't tell you ANYTHING.

I tried to look through it to see his motivations and angle, I couldn't find any.
Do I think he is scum?

I have no idea.

But he is sure not scumhunting.

Maybe you are town actually trying to hunt, but so far your reads have been far from accurate.

[Flubbernugget]

Hey guys are you bored of the game or do you just post less on weekends

That's something that we should probably talk to zor about postgame

I had to pick up my sister at the airport and run her around yesterday. Today I'm going to the Steelers-Raiders game and that will eat up most of the day. But IMO the game's moving reasonably well.

Your 1363 on ocean was underwhelming, and his 1376 was a good response. Who else could you you vote today?

Marge and Ythan

Would lynch etl for the sake of my sanity but that's still anti town since it's not actually showing a read on her

I could respond point to point at Ocean or I could restate his read on Ranger sucks and his reaction to it sucked. I begrudgingly give town points to him for the trajectory of the conversation "feeling" like how a town v town evolves but not being able to quantify the feeling keeps him in my scum pile for now

The way the Titus wagon sprung up after his is still really bad. There's enough players here that know Titus does crazy shit to have let that gone through

[ProHawk]

Hey guys are you bored of the game or do you just post less on weekends

That's something that we should probably talk to zor about postgame

I had to pick up my sister at the airport and run her around yesterday. Today I'm going to the Steelers-Raiders game and that will eat up most of the day. But IMO the game's moving reasonably well.

Your 1363 on ocean was underwhelming, and his 1376 was a good response. Who else could you you vote today?

Marge and Ythan

Would lynch etl for the sake of my sanity but that's still anti town since it's not actually showing a read on her

I could respond point to point at Ocean or I could restate his read on Ranger sucks and his reaction to it sucked. I begrudgingly give town points to him for the trajectory of the conversation "feeling" like how a town v town evolves but not being able to quantify the feeling keeps him in my scum pile for now

The way the Titus wagon sprung up after his is still really bad. There's enough players here that know Titus does crazy shit to have let that gone through

Vote Count #1.18:

Titus:

OceanWind, EspeciallyTheLies, Persivul, Kop, Ythan (5)

Kop:

ProHawk, Marge, Titus (3)

OceanWind:

Firebringer, Flubbernugget (2)

ProHawk:

Vonflare, Ranger (2)

Marge:

Kraeg (1)

Not Voting:

None.

With 13 people alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-11-05 12:37:00)

Vote Count #1.19 (FINAL):

Titus:

OceanWind, EspeciallyTheLies, Persivul, Kop, Ythan, Flubbernugget, Kraeg (7)

Kop:

ProHawk, Marge, Titus (3)

OceanWind:

Firebringer (1)

ProHawk:

Ranger (1)

Not Voting:

Vonflare

With 13 people alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-11-05 12:37:00)

Interesting

[ProHawk]

Could lynch Kraeg after rereading that stuffs.

[Flubbernugget]

I like Marge's defense of fire but Holy shit her d1 play still really bugs the shit out of me

[Flubbernugget]

Pro I'm not sure what conclusion you're trying to derive from your quotes

[Titus]

Vote Count #2.4:

OceanWind:

EspeciallyTheLies, Flubbernugget (2)

Ranger:

Kraeg (1)

EspeciallyTheLies:

Ranger (1)

Ythan:

Marge, Firebringer, ProHawk (3)

Firebringer:

Persivul, OceanWind, Ythan (3)

Not Voting:

Kop,

With 11 people alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

V/LA:

Kop until Sunday morning.

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-11-09 22:47:00)

[Ythan]

suddenly there's a phantom wagon on firebringer out of nowhere.

lol rtft

[Ythan]

You just went through with saying fire is fluff posting but again with even even linking anything ythan voted on wagons without a fucking reason ever stated that explained why.

Just because you can't follow along or want to pretend you can't~

[Ythan]

Why hasn't Ythan dismantled his wagon by criticizing his wagon?

"garbage wagon" ythan
"you're all retarded" ythan
"trash trash trash players all of you" ythan

[Firebringer]

Why hasn't Ythan dismantled his wagon by criticizing his wagon?

"garbage wagon" ythan
"you're all retarded" ythan
"trash trash trash players all of you" ythan

That pretty much sums up your entire ISO.
Thanks for helping with that.

[Ythan]

yw, enjoy rope

[Firebringer]

I will, thanks

[Rob14]

And I'm back. Thanks for stepping in briefly, Titus.

[Kraeg]

Could lynch Kraeg after rereading that stuffs.

Here we go again with the "You were on the wagon that flipped town, you must be scum" argument.

[Kraeg]

Not gonna be surprised to see a ProHawk, Ranger scum team. Wonder who the other member is.

[Kraeg]

And what's with the birthday posts? There's nothing scummy about it. It was just a short talk. Definitely not gonna consider this Firebringer wagon.