Mini 495 - Mafia on a Plane! GAME OVER! =)

[Oman]

One thing is that we can never be sure if he claims whether its real or not.

Also I hate this

Hey guys. After I'm dead, check out my bandwagon for a few scum who want an easy lynch.

-Doc "I'm not afraid to die" Blackstrike

Its often said by scum to avoid getting lynched as townies don't want to be painted as scummy.

Watch me Doc.

Unvote Vote: Doc "I promise I wont self-vote" Blackstrike

[Streeflo]

Close to the Top of Page Votecount #8!

Dr. Blackstrike (4) - spurgistan, Lucienne, dybeck, Oman
Oman (2) - Elias_the_thief, Dr. Blackstrike
originality (1) - AlyG
VampanezeHunter (1) - originality
spurgistan (1) - thesleepless
dybeck (1) - shaft.ed
AlyG (1) - CarrotCake

Not voting: VampanezeHunter

With

12

alive it takes

7

to lynch!

[Streeflo]

thesleepless

has been prodded!

Still searching for a replacement for

VampanezeHunter

[spurgistan]

Was going to change my vote, but screw it after seeing all this, I'm sticking with the Good Doctor.

[Oman]

Who were you going to change it too?

[Carrotcake]

I don't like the idea of lynching a claimed( semi-claimed?)power role today. Very little harm could come from letting him live another night. If he does turn out to be town, we get one night of benefits. There isn't exactly a shortage of suspects anyways. Lets just hang him tomorrow.

[Lucienne]

To all those saying Dr. B is perhaps a power-role:

And finally: I understand I look suspious. Heck, I'd probably vote me at this point.

But you guys shouldn't, because if I'm a powerrole, I'd have to claim, and if I'm a townie, I'd have to lie.

And that just ain't cool.

He's admitting that if he's a townie, he's claiming power-role.

...

[shaft.ed]

I agree with you Lucienne. We have no way to trust Dr. B. It seems a consensus that he needs to be lynched today or tommorow. I'm just trying to figure out what the benefit of keeping him around could be given that he has basically claimed (although not very truthfully) and that the scum won't go after him given that they can be almost positive he will be lynched by D2.

I think this is a dangerous topic for anyone to discuss as I think it will look hella scummy, but I think it needs to be said out in the open. Here are the likely possibilities for powerroles:

Cop: Can't trust him so this role would be useless unless he comes up cop after lynching. Best-case scenario = one investigation if he's kept until D2, compared to 0 after D1.

Doc: If kept until D2 1 in 11 chance that he will prevent a townie death given 1 NK, if a SK exists this will go up to about 1 in 5, compared to 0 in 11 or 0 in 5 without the Doc.

Vig: Townie driven NK from a demonstrable crazy guy. I would say this is probably the worst case scenario as his odds of hitting town are greater than hitting scum.

Roleblocker: 1 in 11 chance to block a mafia NK, also 1 in 11 chance to block SK if we have one. Counter that with 1 in 11 chance to block Cop investigation and 1 in 11 chance to block Doc protection (though his chances of actually hitting a useful target combined with the Roleblockers chances make this fairly moot). This is basically similar to having a Doc for a day, but with the drawback of possible cop-blocking.


I'm still on the fence with this one and agree pretty heartily with Carrotcake that our suspect list is nearly 12 players long at this point. Still not sure what to do about Dr. B

[dybeck]

Dr. B, is your claimed powerrole one that you can prove, if you were left alive tonight?

[spurgistan]

Who were you going to change it too?

I was just voting to keep the heat on Blackstrike and keep him talking after everybody else unvoted, but now I feel like we may have found our man.

[originality]

I'm not so sure about the Dr, so instead of going along ill keep where I am. As I said, if he does turn out to be some powerrole then we're fucked, so I'm agreeing with carrotcake on this one. Lets wait.

[Elias_the_thief]

Dr. B, is your claimed powerrole one that you can prove, if you were left alive tonight?

Um, why do you want to know this? Are you deciding whether you want to keep him alive? FOS: dybeck.

[dybeck]

If he's a provable protown powerrole, then yeah, I'm trying to keep him alive.

Why, are you in the habit of lynching proven protown powerroles?

[Elias_the_thief]

I didnt ask if you were trying to. I asked if you were deciding whether or not you wanted to, ie, whether you wanted to kill him. Honestly, how does knowing whether or not he provable help the town? As far as I see, it can only improve the chances of him getting NKed if he says he is.

[Oman]

Honestly, how does knowing whether or not he provable help the town?

Well, if he can prove himself, then we let him live. He proves himself to us N1 and we know for sure that he is said powerrole.

It helps the town in that we don't well...:

are you in the habit of lynching proven protown powerroles?

[Elias_the_thief]

But what is the point in asking this question? He's not even that seriously suspicious...At this point we want him to STOP giving us info, not start giving us more. The more info that comes from him day 1, the more it helps the mafia.

[originality]

Uh, I just noticed I still have a vote on VH. It seems sort of pointless now, since he did colaborate for a while and gave reasons for his lurking.. so much that he requested a replacement, so

unvote

.

[Oman]

No, I don't buy that. Info helps town, no matter what. It might help the mafia to some degree, but most of the time, the town wil benefit.

Of course this is not an endorsment for massclaim.

[Elias_the_thief]

Excuse me? This is not true at all Oman. When we are talking about power role info? Imagine he is a doc. The town knowing this essentially screws them over since the mafia knows he too, and BOOM were down a doc. Or imagine that we dont have a doc, and that it is a cop. This means that the mafia knows and can kill our cop. Or even in the scenario where it is a vanilla townie, the info lets the mafia know that the player is vanilla, giving them better chances of hitting power role on the NK. Role info really hurts towns day 1. Day 2 or 3, its useful. I wholeheartedly disagree with getting role info on day 1.

[shaft.ed]

Your both wrong

He's not even that seriously suspicious

You've got to be kidding me. He's said that he's playing very scummy so that the mafia won't NK him. How can you get more serious than this? It basically excuses his previous scummy behavior and gives a reason for not getting NK'd.

Then he says no matter what happens he's claiming a powerrole even if he has to lie. So we know if he claims it won't be vanilla townie, and if he claims a powerrole there's a good chance he's lying. Basically what dybeck seems to be after is salvaging what he can from a possible townie that looks incredibly likely to be lynched that has claimed a powerrole. While I don't agree completely with this tactic I can understand a town making it. On the other hand, I imagine scum are just as confused with Dr. B as we are. They might want to rolefish a bit more before they target him at night.

No, I don't buy that. Info helps town, no matter what.

You know this is not true. I'm really amazed that you are espousing such fundamentally flawed tactics. Not surprising after your legally disclaimered scum trap.

[Dr. Blackstrike]

At this point anyone who says I don't look scummy looks scummy.

-Doc "And that is that is all I'm going to say about that" Blackstrike

[Elias_the_thief]

Your both wrong

He's not even that seriously suspicious

You've got to be kidding me. He's said that he's playing very scummy so that the mafia won't NK him. How can you get more serious than this? It basically excuses his previous scummy behavior and gives a reason for not getting NK'd.

Alright, you have a point. I exaggerated when I saw that question. I still see the question as very suspicious, quite blatant rolefishing. Basically, I think the question is just as, if not more, suspicious then Dr. B's behavior.

[Streeflo]

ryan

replaces

VampanezeHunter

effective immediately.

[ryan]

A few thoughts after the read

[ryan]

Vote: originality

I still haven't figured out why the early bandwagon on him was allowed to die, I think he's a suitable place for some more pressure as his defense didn't really sit well with me.

As for the "Good Doc" and his claim, we really have no reason to believe he's lying at this point and whoever pointed out that lynching a power role is a bad idea is VERY SMART. I mean honestly look at it this way, the mafia is going to nightkill him now anyway (if he's being honest) and if he's lying and lives we'll take care of him Day 2. So let's concentrate on finding some scum, not outing anymore power roles, and doing what we came here to do (well some of us) and that's taking out the trash!