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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:19 pm

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Paradoxombie wrote:
Twomz wrote:I wouldn't be so quick to say that para... there is such a thing as "bussing" or "distancing." If it would help give a mafiaso an almost clear ride to the endgame... why not sacrifice one of your buddies? And if the lynch doesn't go through, and somehow the person who was attacked on Day 1 gets NKed and is shown as scum, the scum buddies would have a very nice "I told you so" to sit back on to help them stay off others scumdars.
But it's not likely.
Why not? Are you suggesting scum want to join every single thing they think could be a bandwagon? If so, that's a horribly stupid tactic for them.


I do agree that pdcakes' change of opinion about Adam is incredibly suspect, as is his now OMGUS suspicion of Twomz.
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:14 am

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Adam The Amazing wrote:Actually, pdcakes, I would have to say that you're at the top of my personal scumlist. I say this because you kept the note suggestion around long after it had been dropped by everyone else, and I got the same feeling as Twomz about your shifting position. Even in context it seems like you're flip-flopping. I just can't shake the feeling that you're not telling the truth in your posts. I could be wrong, but that's what I get from it.
The "if" thing, if nothing else, seems to show that you're being overly cautious about what you say and how you say it... possibly a cautious mafia, as was stated earlier.
Unvote: Thin_Man, FOS: pdcakes
. Not the fourth. Not yet.
sort of contradicting yourself here...you think that pdcakes is being a cautious mafia, however, you also claim that he hung to an idea long after everyone else dropped it...does that sound like a cautious mafia to you?..seems to me, a cautious mafia might try to blend...might even join a bandwagon without actually placing a vote...that seems pretty cautious to me.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:54 am

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Touché. I actually thought about posting something to that effect, that right after I talked about a cautious mafia I was cautious in not placing my fourth vote. I decided against it because I thought it kind of obvious; I'm really liking the pace of discussion going on, I'm liking the amount of content, and I'm just not ready to get there (L-3) quite yet. I felt like my talking about purposely not placing the vote was me putting myself clearly on the bandwagon, without ambiguity.
I need to think of something clever to put here.
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:07 am

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Aimee wrote:
Paradoxombie wrote:
Twomz wrote:I wouldn't be so quick to say that para... there is such a thing as "bussing" or "distancing." If it would help give a mafiaso an almost clear ride to the endgame... why not sacrifice one of your buddies? And if the lynch doesn't go through, and somehow the person who was attacked on Day 1 gets NKed and is shown as scum, the scum buddies would have a very nice "I told you so" to sit back on to help them stay off others scumdars.
But it's not likely.
Why not? Are you suggesting scum want to join every single thing they think could be a bandwagon? If so, that's a horribly stupid tactic for them.
When I'm scum I usually make some kind of effort to bandwagon other people more than my scumbuddies. I don't think that's so stupid and I think scum's relationship with their buddies is a more reliable tell than someone just changing their mind. Rant time.
Paradoxombie wrote: I do agree that pdcakes' change of opinion about Adam is incredibly suspect, as is his now OMGUS suspicion of Twomz.
Do you really think people changing their mind is automatically scummy? It happens. And you don't even have an explanation for why it would benefit scum to have the stance pd changed to, that is, you don't know if adam is actually town. Aditionally you guys make a big deal about OMGUS but, seriously, haven't you ever noticed that when someone is attacking you it looks alot worse to you than to everyone else. It practically always looks like their twisting words or warping what you said. Explanation: You know what you thought, but the person only knows what you wrote. And you guys attack him for bring it up for so long when he was jsut trying to explain himself to people who were directly questioning him. So there, I think your suspcion has an even worse foundation than mine, but because mine requires thought and explanation you guys dismiss it(*cough*SirWario*cough*).

Twomz himself advocated thinking outside the box and but because my idea requires seeing what didn't happen instead of what did you guys think it's somehow worse than common tells. Your argument against mine is that scum and this game in general are so unpredictable and yet you rely on %100 tired predictability to find scum. If anything is going to lose us the game, it's sticking to convention. Even if this was the scum's first game as scum they still know exactly what to do from playing as town. Seriously I'm not trying to run a crusade against Twomz here, but everyone suddenly wants to explain away my suspicion with alternate possiblities, well now I've done it for yours as well, does that make it a Null Tell? If you haven't noticed we don't have much to go on, atm. In conclusion,
Fos: Twomz and Pdcakes
if only because there's nothing else happening.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:20 am

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Ha, it looked like you were admonishing yourself by attributing Aimee's quote to yourself.
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:39 am

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SirWario is making me a little suspicious, with the way that he posts relatively frequently but so far has not actually offered an opinion about any players besides attributing pdcakes impatience to newbiness rather than scumminess. He tends more to talk about game theory questions inseatd of events that are specific to this game. I'm pretty sure he is still voting for curiouskarmadog, who coincidentally has posted opinions (ex: about the no-lynch) that are very similar to SirWario's. I think it's just a leftover from the random voting phase, but if it's not I would like some substance. Anyway, SirWario, consider this a warning that your ambiguity will no longer go unnoticed.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:40 am

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Not much has changed vote-count

pdcakes 3 - GodofWine, Twomz, Paradoxombie
ryan 1 - Adele
Kabenon 1 - Aimee
Sir Wario 1 - Thin_Man
Paradoxombie 1 - pdcakes
Twomz 1 - Ryan
Curiouskarmadog 1 - Sir Wario

Not voting - Kabenon, AdamtheAmazing, Curiouskarmadog


I'll check activity aswell, although all seems pretty darn hot so far. So cheers guys and girls.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:06 am

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Yeah my bad about that bottom quote, but it doesn't really matter that it's from Aimee because I'm mostly responding to the general opinion which several players have.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:14 pm

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Paradoxombie wrote:
Aimee wrote:
Paradoxombie wrote:
Twomz wrote:I wouldn't be so quick to say that para... there is such a thing as "bussing" or "distancing." If it would help give a mafiaso an almost clear ride to the endgame... why not sacrifice one of your buddies? And if the lynch doesn't go through, and somehow the person who was attacked on Day 1 gets NKed and is shown as scum, the scum buddies would have a very nice "I told you so" to sit back on to help them stay off others scumdars.
But it's not likely.
Why not? Are you suggesting scum want to join every single thing they think could be a bandwagon? If so, that's a horribly stupid tactic for them.
When I'm scum I usually make some kind of effort to bandwagon other people more than my scumbuddies. I don't think that's so stupid and I think scum's relationship with their buddies is a more reliable tell than someone just changing their mind.
Nope.

Scum don't all play the same as you. To say, "oh I play scum like this, therefore the scum will be playing like this," is flawed. As for bandwagoning scumbuddies, they can do it for distancing, or to fit in, in case their scumbuddy is certain to be lynched.

(Also, we have no real way of telling if they were bussing or bandwagoning on Day 1, since no alignments or roles have been revealed.)
Paradoxombie wrote:
Aimee wrote: I do agree that pdcakes' change of opinion about Adam is incredibly suspect, as is his now OMGUS suspicion of Twomz.
Do you really think people changing their mind is automatically scummy? It happens. And you don't even have an explanation for why it would benefit scum to have the stance pd changed to, that is, you don't know if adam is actually town. Aditionally you guys make a big deal about OMGUS but, seriously, haven't you ever noticed that when someone is attacking you it looks alot worse to you than to everyone else. It practically always looks like their twisting words or warping what you said. Explanation: You know what you thought, but the person only knows what you wrote. And you guys attack him for bring it up for so long when he was jsut trying to explain himself to people who were directly questioning him. So there, I think your suspcion has an even worse foundation than mine, but because mine requires thought and explanation you guys dismiss it(*cough*SirWario*cough*).
It's not changing your mind. It's a bit stronger than that. His
entire
position changed from "we shouldn't use the note" to "if we're going to random lynch someone it should be Adam."

Changing stance is scummy, because in more seriously cases, they could flip flop in their lynch targets to save their scumbuddy from lynching. According to you, they would be able to use the "I was just changing my mind!" defense which is flawed.
Paradoxombie wrote:In conclusion,
Fos: Twomz and Pdcakes
if only because there's nothing else happening.
:shock:

Didn't you just spend an entire paragraph defending pdcakes' behaviour? Why are you therefore FoSing him?
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:35 pm

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Aimee wrote:
Paradoxombie wrote:In conclusion,
Fos: Twomz and Pdcakes
if only because there's nothing else happening.
:shock:

Didn't you just spend an entire paragraph defending pdcakes' behaviour? Why are you therefore FoSing him?
I was just trying make a point by showing how every suspicion is really circumstancial. Just because a tell has alternate explanation doesn't mean that you have to dismiss it entirely.
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:32 am

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Votecount updated. Everyone's checked in since last votecount on Monday - mind Thin_Man hasn't posted since Monday so he gets a prod tomorrow if he doesn't check in. If anyone else deserves prodding lemme know.
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:44 am

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Sporadic access this weekend.

Nothing really new to add anyway, need to reread the last 2 pages, they're running together in my head.
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:29 am

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ah, I totally forgot I'm still voting pdcakes at random!
Unvote
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:45 pm

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I really haven't seen anything too supicious yet. I'm not really seeing pdcakes as scum right now. Everyone is using his remark "I would choose Adam to lynch to find out if the note was true." To me, it appeared he suggesting an alternative to random lynching with the idea that random lynching consists of choosing someone haphazardly with no evidence at all(this is where I saw his newbiness come into play). He didn't seem to grasp the concept of discussion and using it to find the most supect. He thought if we're going to lynch someone random, then why not choose adam and find out if the not is true.

GOW, nearly everyone still has their random vote on. The only real votes are yours and twomz on pdcakes.
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:08 am

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My mistake, GodWario.
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:19 am

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Did you just try to take his last name?

... And here I thought the wedding season was winding down.
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:22 am

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There's always time for one last hurrah.

I just don't know too many prefixes that are loftier than "sir". KingWario?
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:43 am

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God and king both describe me quite well. Either's fine. Perhaps MaestroWario?
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:31 pm

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ryan, why arent you out there stirring up conversation? The last game we played together you were out there mixing it up at all costs..because "that was your play style"..why so quiet now?
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:41 pm

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Sending various prods later - get on with things or a deadline will be installed. I like deadlines.
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:15 am

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curiouskarmadog wrote:ryan, why arent you out there stirring up conversation? The last game we played together you were out there mixing it up at all costs..because "that was your play style"..why so quiet now?
I haven't seen anything that I can jump on yet.
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:20 am

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Okay ryan here's something to jump on.

People from Iowa are usually scum. It's science.
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:52 am

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ryan wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote:ryan, why arent you out there stirring up conversation? The last game we played together you were out there mixing it up at all costs..because "that was your play style"..why so quiet now?
I haven't seen anything that I can jump on yet.
hmm, well there is three votes on pdcakes, Adam's contradiction, the fact we are on page 6 and still in the random vote stage...
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:14 am

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curiouskarmadog wrote:hmm, well there is three votes on pdcakes,
Adam's contradiction,
the fact we are on page 6 and still in the random vote stage...
Is this just him saying that the note is false, or did he contradict himself somewhere and I missed it?
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:15 am

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I don't think we as a group are in the random vote stage. There are a few people who are still stuck in that stage, though I don't really know why. I'm kinda leaning toward Zombie. I really don't have proof, need to re-read. But it's a hunch
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