Blitz 3: Dead of Winter Mafia - Game Over

[Makoto Nanaya]

Hiplop

Hasen't posted much, but he has some reads. Could stand to explain his reads more, but null leaning town.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Klingoncelt

Post restrictions are a pain. Gonna have a hell of a time reading him.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Davsto

Is pushing people he thinks are scum, which is good. I don't nessisarally agree with his logic, (or bringing a rule break in as evidence), but he seems to be trying. Townlean.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Ranger

Speaking of davsto's reads...
SHE flipped from Bard to Saint as a compromise, apparently because she was scum reading both and switched from top scumread to leading wagon. She shouldn't be voting without reason, especially not delibratly, and I don't think that particular vote swap makes a lot of sence. She should talk about her reasoning.
Scumlean until then.(and perhaps after.)

[Makoto Nanaya]

Running out of time for now, so the rest of you will have to wait.

[A Royal Saint]

Also the gameplay506 vote is like a total copout.

Yes, there is a chance gameplay is scum who made up his post restriction. But to just stop pushing your main scumreads and push someone who cannot talk back as soon as you get attention is WEAK.

1) My main scum reads are unable to be lynched today because people are not listening. No amount of screaming or repeating the same points will change that. Regardless of my wagon state, spamming the thread is anti town. Therefore I must move on.

2) The game art indicates that there are two scum and 11 town. By moving to my third suspect that means in terms of my scum wall both of the zombie slots are taken. Therefore the proper play is to push a lurker and see what comes out of it. If they refuse to play the game then they are of no help or benefit and make it harder to lynch scum because we have to account for their deadweight.

3) Where is the posting they promised us? And why does Ranger immediately say this is a bad lynch when the overwhelming evidence is that *duh* I am town and there is no pressure at all and Bard is just clogging the thread. I want to see people play the game and I don't like it when anyone tries to shut down investigative pressure.

If you have less than 10 posts in 3 days of play please either pick up activity or replace out.

That is a summary response because phone posting and I have to go to work.

I will be back on later tonight but Saturday mornings are rough for me so hopefully we have enough people actually voting :/

3) I do not understand Ranger's comment at

[Netherspite]

Official Vote Count

A Royal Saint

(3): gameplay506, The Silver Bard, Ranger

gameplay506

(2): davesaz, A Royal Saint

Klingoncelt

(2): Klingoncelt, Expedience

Ranger

(1): Davsto

Not Voting

(5): The Jester, Makoto Nanaya, Scorpious, hiplop, pisskop

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-07 13:53:02)

gameplay506

has been prodded.

[The_Jester]

Town: Expedience, Bard
Leaning town: Ranger, Davsto,
Null: Klingon, Hiplop, pisskop
At least 1 scum's probably between: Makoto, Davesaz, Gameplay, Scorpious,
No idea what to think of ARS, got really mixed feelings.

VOTE: Makoto
My main suspect, mostly gut but I don't like that she posts almost exclusively fluff, tries to look useful but really isn't, doesn't take decisive stances. Looks like cautious newbscum to me.
If this wagon doesn't gain traction I'm gonna switch but I'm the most comfortable with my vote there atm.
This has to do for the time being.

[pisskop]

We dont have enough good contacts yet.

I think we should start talking about it.

ARS isnt the worst lynch ever in the history of ever, but.

Any reason why not jester? where did MN go? What are the feels around hiplop? Thats in order of preference.



Wow. a guy makes one thought out mobile post and tsb takes off like a windup toy

[Davsto]

I'm questioning you because that alone makes me ~90% sure Ranger is town. I think that if scum!Ranger was trying to fake a post restriction, they would've understood that scum don't have secondary wincons, and deduced such a rule would probably exist to prevent a potentially gamebreaking massclaim d1. Or at least, they would've worried that they could be outed by the fact that they didn't have a secondary wincon to claim easily, and possibly asked / tried to investigate how to stop this. Also I think that Ranger deliberately breaking the rules to appear town is a very unlikely scenario.

Is it possible he knew the rule existed but didn't realise that faking/lying about it wasn't allowed? Idk. But I'm not gonna treat it as a towntell, that's for sure.

What do you think of Klingon's implied post restriction?

It's a pain in the ass.

[Scorpious]

@Klingon

Vote me.. Scorpious

[Makoto Nanaya]

Scorpious

Mostly null on him. He takes little pokes at people but I don't think it's enough. Should help out more or risk looking scummier as the game goes on.

Also, he ends sentences with 2 periods. Not really notible, but it bugs me.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Pisskop

His ego-based post restriction doesn't make him harder to read, which is nice. Seems to be putting in some work, but that PL request is a little concerning. Townlean for now.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Join me in a few hours when I go through the remaining players!

No later than 4 hours from now, to be presice.

[gameplay506]

Hereee will read this later

[Scorpious]

Also, he ends sentences with 2 periods. Not really notible, but it bugs me.

it bugs me too..

[davesaz]

We dont have enough good contacts yet.

I've read this several times and am having trouble figuring out what you mean.

[davesaz]

Hereee will read this later

You are aware this is a blitz game and deadline is now less than 24 hours, right?

[gameplay506]

Kinda yes , no

[hiplop]

VOTE: klingon

deadline coming, best lynch available i think.

[davesaz]

VOTE: Makoto
My main suspect, mostly gut but I don't like that she posts almost exclusively fluff, tries to look useful but really isn't, doesn't take decisive stances. Looks like cautious newbscum to me.
If this wagon doesn't gain traction I'm gonna switch but I'm the most comfortable with my vote there atm.
This has to do for the time being.

First question, have you read all of Mokoto's posts? The question goes to the newbscum angle.

TBH I would have to reread to confirm the observation you're making here. But for the sake of argument let's stipulate your characterization of the posts is accurate (if it's inaccurate then we have a different problem and it is you). Is being fluffy and not taking stances really alignment indicative? I have seen others say that gut means you see something wrong but can't put a finger on it, so let's explore that a bit. If there is a plausible scum motivation for being fluffy in this case then you might just be onto something. Perhaps the lack of a definitive stance you're seeing rings alarm bells because of what else is going on at the time. Does that jog help you with defining it better?

[davesaz]

VOTE: klingon

deadline coming, best lynch available i think.

Would you care to expand on the why it's the best lynch?

[Makoto Nanaya]

VOTE: klingon

deadline coming, best lynch available i think.

Would you care to expand on the why it's the best lynch?

Echoing this request.

[pisskop]

VOTE: klingon

deadline coming, best lynch available i think.

Would you care to expand on the why it's the best lynch?

Echoing this request.

Interested in hiplop's answer. Does it mirror the invasive voice in my head? Thats how I get so awesome, btw.

[Expedience]

Think about it guys.

Rule against saying post restrictions publicly to prevent the game from being broken, suddenly here is Klingon with extremely obvious post restriction. If we assumed it was not faked, then it would be partially gamebreaking in that it would all but confirm Klingon as town. Or, at least, that's why we can't just massclaim secondary wincons d1. The entire point behind them is that they are meant to be subtle. Essentially, this would not be added to the game because the very act of following the post restriction constitutes heavily hinting at it, which is against the rules.

If you look up the game itself that this game is based on, it's meant to be like that too, with the secondary wincons not immediately obvious but subtly influencing how players act.