Blitz 1: C9++ (GAME OVER!)

[Ythan]

No, but I expect you to know better.

to know better

than to ever lynch a townie???

what dude

[Ranger]

OTOH, the wagon on Margeside is growing, and you've had her in your scum pool from the beginning. Looks like an opportunity...

This is true, and I regret not being around to switch my vote at the time. It probably wouldn't have made a difference, but it could have stopped the mislynch.

I'm reading from right here to see how it happened, very, very closely because that was a horrible lynch. Titus was obviously town, and if she claimed her role (I haven't read yet to see if she had), it was an easily-confirmable role. I guarantee there's going to be at least two scum on that wagon.

[Ranger]

If I was able to dismantle my wagon by doing nothing, it goes to show how strong of a case it was built on no?

It

does

show how strong a case it was built on, yes: incredibly-strong. If the case was not strong, then the wagon would have never built up. That it collapsed shows that it was strong and scum were involved in its dissolution.

SK crumbs as vig, promises direct help, later claims vig (pointing to the crumbs) and asks for doctor protection. Probably selected BP over investigation immune, so pointing out the cop crumb to get scum to help with the dirty work. Neat plan. Sounds like something Titus would do.

Was

this

it?

Seriously,

this

?

If so, that's beyond bad.

[Ythan]

it was an easily-confirmable role

If you believe this is true explain how.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Marge.
Would also vote Persivul or EspeciallyTheLies from what I've read so far.

[Ranger]

Plus my ability either a) works as a second lynch or b) is trackable. It also draws scums to me if I actually suspect them out of self preservation as vig CCs are best resolved by bullets in this setup.

This. SO much this.

Titus easily, EASILY could have confirmed her ability during the night.

This is scumhunting 101: vigs can prove their claim. If they don't, or they kill in a manner that looks like a serial killer, lynch them, but you DON'T lynch them day one. You let them shoot once at minimum.

And between {Marge, Persivul, EspeciallyTheLies}, I guarantee a minimum of two scum for them pushing her lynch anyway.

[Ranger]

And you know this... how?

Because they've flipped or are town. :P

Sex makes Ythan uncomfortable. We should talk more about how good it will feel when Titus flips red.

This is so...fake.
VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies.
Scumread there is stronger than on Marge now.

Because...yeah. That's not a town player who legitimately thinks they're lynching scum. It's a scum player who is making a random effort to fake surprise after the townflip.

[OceanWind]

@Ranger

, it is easy to say now that Titus was obviously town after the flip. At the time of your last post D1, Titus had four votes and the wagon was going strong. Why didn't you comment about Titus when you posted to say that you'll be back later that night?

Persivul and EspeciallyTheLies are both townreads for me not to mention even if one of them is scum, their interaction with each other D1 means that they aren't both scum. Which of them do you think is more likely?

[Ranger]

Fucking yikes how do you claim vig un cc'd and still get wagoned that fucking hard

Easy: by having scum on the wagon. Lots of scum. Maybe even three.

I'm dead serious, I'd vote to lynch any of the members of that Titus wagon.

In related posting: my scumread on Firebringer has vanished. With the defense of Titus, I don't see scum defending her in that manner.

[Ranger]

I am intrigued at the argument of Titus SK but I don't really want to lynch her oddly enough.
VOTE: kop
Can we lynch this instead?

I was wrong about ProHawk. He is town. (I think Kop is too, though.)

In other news, I may be wrong about my Marge scumread, but I'm not sure about that.
Similarly, my Ythan townread is increasingly taking a hit for his demeaning attitude towards everyone.

[Ythan]

Hey look at what I'm responding to.

[Ranger]

Lynch ETL

I find this no coincidence.

Are we looking for someone to hammer? I'm also comfortable with a Titus lynch.

This is scum, too.

{Flubbernugget}
{Kop, Firebringer}
{ProHawk, OceanWind, Ythan}
{Marge}
{EspeciallyTheLies, Persivul, Kraeg}.

[Ranger]

He stayed in the Blocky wagon the whole day even if it's already proven to be a bad one, and I wonder why.

*She.

And I wasn't on the Titus wagon.
Your argument is invalid. :P

It amazes me you can have the sense of superiority after you just lynched a townie. Like you lead a lynch on a townie, and you call me the bad. The amount of self delusion.

He could always be scum, though.

[Ythan]

You'd think that would be the assumption.

[Ythan]

unvote

This doesn't need to die today.

[Ranger]

If you believe this is true explain how.

Alias: Vig
Alignment: Pro-town
Role type: Killing
Choice: Night

---

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Vigilante.
Abilities: Each night phase, you may attempt to kill another player.
Win condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

@Ranger, it is easy to say now that Titus was obviously town after the flip. At the time of your last post D1, Titus had four votes and the wagon was going strong. Why didn't you comment about Titus when you posted to say that you'll be back later that night?

I will return later tonight. Apologies, something came up

before I could

read

here.

Before I could read. Now do the math. 751, my last post, was therefore the last thing I read. The Titus wagon was virtually nonexistent at the time. (757 shows this.) It certainly didn't have SK mentions at the time. The SK suspicion took off at 771...

after

I was gone.

I have every right to be pissed you lynched one of my strongest townreads, and a power role at that, off of something as horrible as that.

{ProHawk, OceanWind, Ythan}
{Marge}

Switch Marge and Ythan here.

[Ythan]

Reread the iso in full. I can join that.

VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

[Ythan]

It's cute and all to just post a vig role pm but that's not an actual answer.

[Ythan]

"We could have proved they were vig."

"How?"

"Because they can shoot."

I mean is that really the point you're trying to make? The question isn't whether or not she had a kill.

[Ythan]

If it's a regular vig claim sure you can keep watching them but 1 shot vig is like the easiest/laziest sk fakeclaim in this setup.

[Ythan]

Who first brought up Titus being SK? SK is too short a term to search the thread for, and ETL's signature has an "sk" in it so that's a giant pain.

[Ythan]

Seems like Marge.

[Ranger]

If it's a regular vig claim sure you can keep watching them but 1 shot vig is like the easiest/laziest sk fakeclaim in this setup.

This seems absolutely backwards. If you're a serial killer and you claim vig, then you can shoot every night. If you claim one-shot vig and you continue to shoot, then you're outing yourself as a liar.

[Marge]

VOTE: Kop

[Marge]

Plus my ability either a) works as a second lynch or b) is trackable. It also draws scums to me if I actually suspect them out of self preservation as vig CCs are best resolved by bullets in this setup.

This. SO much this.

Titus easily, EASILY could have confirmed her ability during the night.

This is scumhunting 101: vigs can prove their claim. If they don't, or they kill in a manner that looks like a serial killer, lynch them, but you DON'T lynch them day one. You let them shoot once at minimum.

And between {Marge, Persivul, EspeciallyTheLies}, I guarantee a minimum of two scum for them pushing her lynch anyway.

I didn't push here lynch, ythan did and persivul did. Kop jumped on the wagon lazy like.
I pointed out scum would push the wagon.

Ythan did say Kop was a mislynch wagon and seems to be blaming others for the lynch.

Vote: ythan