Blitz 2: The Stars My Destination Mafia- GAME OVER!

[pignash]

I voted before the replace, I don't see what a new person is going to do to convince us, though if he was scum why not self vote at this point?

[BBmolla]

I'm still full speed ahead on this lynch.

[fferyllt]

VC 1.7

Albert B. Rampage

(5): ika, Firebringer, pignash, Syryana, BBmolla

Syryana

(4): Albert B. Rampage, talah, Huntress, Kid A

Huntress

(1): Nosferatu

talah

(1): Spiffeh

Ranger

(1): PeregrineV

Spiffeh

(1): Malakittens

Firebringer

(1): Ranger

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: On hold at 1 day 10.5 hours

Countdown: (expired on 2015-11-06 09:30:00)

Mod Notes:

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[fferyllt]

DrippingGoofball replaces Albert B. Rampage. Please welcome her!

[pignash]

Hi DGB! Long time no see...

[BBmolla]

Hi DGB sad to see you in this situation

[DrippingGoofball]

Hi DGB sad to see you in this situation

Yeah no shit, I should have read the game state before offering to replace in.

You guys know I am a jailkeeper, right?

[Spiffeh]

DGBae <3

[DrippingGoofball]

Replacing in at L-1 is still better than replacing into a stupid neighborhood slot. Did I mention I hate neighborhoods, and they shouldn't exist?

[DrippingGoofball]

Hi DGB! Long time no see...

I hope you'll trust my Firebringer read, LOL

[DrippingGoofball]

Ohhh shit, they are on to me.

I better go hide in the scum cave!!

LOL, second post, he's scum.

[pignash]

Your L-3

[DrippingGoofball]

I need sleepytimes, will get on board first thing tomorrow morning.

[talah]

Prodgin' from work.

Hi DGB :) no, we didn't know that afaik, and yes I can tentatively agree they're stupid but things are starting to make a bit more sense to me now.

Back in a couple of hours.

[fferyllt]

Deadline: November 6, 2:00 pm US Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2015-11-06 11:00:00)

[BBmolla]

Hi DGB sad to see you in this situation

Yeah no shit, I should have read the game state before offering to replace in.

You guys know I am a jailkeeper, right?

ok

UNVOTE:
VOTE: talah

[BBmolla]

Gimme reads DGB

[talah]

You're shitvoting town Molla.

[Kid A]

Also whoever said something about the wagon on FB dissipating quickly I think that has more to do with the short deadlines and sense of urgency than anything else.

Hi you weren't committed to the firebringer wagon since you hopped off it the second it lost traction and defended the weird unvotes. You were also repeatedly asking fb for scumreads bcos you were begging for someone else to push on.

Is it because you didnt expect a wagom from rvs to end in a lynch or because you have a vested interest in keeping fb alive?

[Kid A]

And yes I did drop the FB wagon quickly and like I said before there's no time to just sit on dying wagons, especially when I have such an abundance of null reads, and I was satisfied with the FB-town arguments being presented by Molla.

"I was so committed to the fb wagon that I dropped it the second someone said he looks town"

Molla never even presented an argument, I had to question him twice to get any justification on his flipflop

[Ranger]

Hey. FB wagon isn't happening right now. Come vote Talah with me!

*sigh*
Fine.

VOTE: talah.

Why is huntress scum?

Simplest version: since the beginning, I haven't liked any of the stances Huntress has been taking.

Wow I just realized how awful the Syryana wagon is.

Agreed. The most-town name there is Kid A, who I think is town, but the rest, not so much.

I like talah so far. Makes good posts and isn't afraid of anything.

I call BS.

[talah]

Have you changed your mind about this? Seems like yiu have two people in your scumpool but voted neither.

My scumpool doesn't have either an FB or a Nosferatu in it anymore. FB primarily because I went and reread the thread and taking into account Molla's point about SC2 players not taking RVS seriously and the fact he's been pretty fucking town since. Nosferatu's posting got a lot better too.

These are both players that pushed back, hard, on both you and Molla. Seems easy to town them for crap reasons if you're scum.

Well that Firebringer wagon evaporated pretty quickly.

Wagons tend to do that when the person being wagoned starts obvtowning.

And your definition of obvtowning is directly above. That's not obvtowning, it's your read and you saying he's been pretty fucking town.
That's phrasing from you, and justification in the form of agreeing with Molla. If you're not *actually* masons with him, then he's not confirmed town to you and you'd need to provide pretty solid reasons Molla's town, otherwise you could just be supporting wrong-town (or scum with him).
Do correct me if you believe I'm wrong.

Given that I don't like the ABR / ika options and Firebringer might be town given the main drivers are no longer voting him, I'm happy with this in principle and for a couple of other reasons.
VOTE: Syryana

...so you vote one of the drivers? Also is there any particular reason you have to be on a wagon? This also seems like rather a lot of justification for voting me.

Yeah I vote the guy who was sheeping the guy yelling that a player's scum, after the wagon evaporates and they both proceed to do the rounds creating wagons to see if weak spots and easy lynches exist.
The reason I vote you instead of Molla, is that Molla might just be looking for information, and it looks like you're all about securing the lynch... on anyone.

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@Syr

Why did you unvote FB when he was at L-2? There was no risk there as long as nobody else voted him. Your unvote was pointless imo.

He was technically at L-1 when I unvoted, primarily because Ika is a lolhammer.

Also because there was no danger in unvoting him. Is my "pointless unvote" why you're scumreading me?

So if we remove risk of the lolhammer, why are you unvoting at "L-1"? You'll agree it diminishes pressure on the wagon, and you then went ahead and justified your unvote by saying that it was waiting until *I* was satisfied?
I'm not responsible for your actions dude and there was no reason to unvote him unless you stared townreading him at that point, which you didn't.

And no, that's not the only reason I'm voting you but it's one of them. If you want full elaboration I think someone else is planning to post something here shortly but it relates to what DGB's posted and possibly your own hivemind/mason references.

The other couple of reasons I think you're suspicious are your immediate engagement with me regarding caps-posting which I don't recall from the one or two times previously when we played (when I think you were hydra'ing with ffery and possibly Nacho?). I don't remember the exact context of each game but I remember I liked your posting and attempted to interact. I think your natural state most of the time is a lot less proactive than you're being right now. So I feel you've got something you want to push and it doesn't really look like scumhunting to me. It looks like wanting a lynch and you don't care who.

You leave my mason buddy the fuck alone.

I'm presuming this is an overstatement.

Your vote seems kind of useless just sitting there on gut.
Goign back to your response to me about voting off the FB wagon, how do you expect to get information from Day 1 if there aren't significant wagons to look back at later? Personal preferences aside, this is a different format from what most of us are used to and there's not a lot of time to chill and do nothing.
We need to be deciding on a lynch right now don't you think?

This part makes me squint really really fucking hard. You seem a lot more interested in being on a lynch wagon than you do in actually finding scum.

Squint all you like, I'm not the one shitvoting whoever I feel I can lynch.

So... you had no reasons of your own?

Nice misrep.

I said Syryana said it better than I could. Not that I didn't have reasons of my own.

Syryana just stole every possible reason I could have listed before I could post any of my own. My early posting should have made it quite clear I saw the same things he did. If you'd like, I could go through the posting and do my own wording, but it will end up just being an inferior rehash of what Syryana so thoroughly did the first time.

Generally town are able to just reference their memory and state what they were thinking.

At the time you had wagoned FB because wagons (ok good, fine), and then stated that you were now scumreading FB.

I want to know what you were thinking at that time and I don't really care what Syryana said because obviously he went into some detail, and you didn't.

So again - you had no reason of your own to scumread Firebringer?
If that question's too hard for you, how are you reading Firebringer now?

Line 1 is total bullshit.
Line 2 is pointless.
Line 3 he's answered already. Also if you don't buy that he has no reason outside of what I already posted, why are you voting me instead of him since according to you detail is a good thing?
Line 4: Let me spell it out for you. H-E W-A-S H-I-V-E-M-I-N-D-I-N-G W-I-T-H M-E A-N-D M-O-L-L-A.

1) I know when I'm town all I really need to do is R-E-M-E-M-B-E-R what I was thinking at any given point in time and then I can scan back and provide reasoning.
If you think I'm being too harsh there, or am wrong, please explain why town would have mental blanks about their own behaviour generally as often as scum do. TIA.

2) No, what was pointless was Ranger's own post stating that his RVS vote had transitioned to a "serious" vote, without giving any of his own reasoning. Which was the odd behaviour I thought was scummy and was following up with.

3) Yes, he's answered pretty unequivocally that he'll leave the explaining to you. If you're in a 3p neighbourhood with him and Molla then my logicz is going to say that there's at least one scum in it.
You gave detail, but compared to your pushes the detail lacks a feeling of wanting to find scum. Ranger simply had no reason at all. I'm not comparing the scumminess of you two and weighing it up - I'm assessing whether your motivations are town or scum independently. (At least at that point in time.)

4) Good-o. What do you think of DGB's post about neighbourhoods being shitty then?

[talah]

Hey. FB wagon isn't happening right now. Come vote Talah with me!

*sigh*
Fine.

VOTE: talah.

I like talah so far. Makes good posts and isn't afraid of anything.

I call BS.

Interesting, these two statements from the same post don't seem to hold the same state of mind.
First you're sighing that you have to switch your vote to me, then you're calling BS on someone calling me town.

[BBmolla]

Where has FB gone

[Ranger]

First you're sighing that you have to switch your vote to me, then you're calling BS on someone calling me town.

...And?