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[Apricity]

VOTE: Get a Room: Apricity and Tere

This is one of my better town games. My username is Sapphique.

Solon’s Fire Emblem Mafia: Town, Vanilla DP1—DP4, Town, Miller DP6—DP9, Mafia Win

http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/70946/ DP1
http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/71149/ DP2
http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/71247/ DP3
http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/71354/ DP4
http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/71404/ DP6 (DP5 was skipped due to a role)
http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/71480/ DP7
http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/71640/ DP8 (NKed)
http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/71805/ Endgame

[Apricity]

How do you make your own wiki page?

[Postie]

Click the wiki button under your avatar, then log in (you just use the username and password you have on the forum); after that you should be able to click a link on your currently non-existent page that says "Start the

Apricity

article".

[Postie]

Oh and

Get a Room: Apricity and Tere

Have fun guys.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.06 Niowt - Loverboy

These sheets are exhausted with the fading of passions.
This bed is screaming with insomniac rage.
The body beside me - so peaceful in sleep,
So solemnly beautiful like a sad little girl.

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lynching

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Espeonage

(L-3): Bins, notscience

Bins

(L-4): Espeonage

Apricity

(L-4): herrcombs

The_Jester

(L-4): Postie

Postie

(L-4): wgeurts

Not Voting

(3): Apricity, Tere, The_Jester

get a room

It takes 3 votes to get a room.

Apricity and Tere

(R-1): Tere, Apricity, Postie

<— ROOM

Bins and Espeonage

(R-3): Postie

Not Voting

(6): Bins, herrcombs, wgeurts, notscience, The_Jester, Espeonage,

Post restrictions

Spoiler: 2 current post restriction(s): (may not talk to or about each other in public, may vote and unvote normally)

notscience and The_Jester (expired on 2015-11-01 20:45:00)
Apricity and Tere (expired on 2015-11-02 12:45:00)

Spoiler: Infractions

Bins [1/3]

Deadline: (expired on 2015-11-11 19:00:00).

Let me know if there are any problems with the VC, or if you have music genre requests (rap, pop, ballads, folk, sad, happy, angry, gay, purple, a specific country, etc. I've got about 77 bands lined up to choose from!)

Mod notes: I’m using dice tags to pick which song so don’t read anything into it.
Tere is V/LA until Monday morning

[herrcombs]

Prodge until tomorrow. I had some things come up IRL and I've been inactive sitewide.

[Plotinus]

Espy and The_Jester have been prodded. Because it's the weekend, they have (expired on 2015-11-02 09:00:00) to post or they will be replaced.

[Plotinus]

Added 5 hours to all countdown timers to account for site downtime. This includes your post restriction timers, prod timers, and the deadline for day 1.

[wgeurts]

Someone talk with me about the game state, this isn't moving fast enough for my liking and my lack of strong reads is unnerving.
Notscience is probably town despite not talking with me much in our room (I'm up for using it).
Apricity is also leaning town.
I need to read that interaction inbetween bins/esp again as I feel like there's something to be drawn from it, you'll hear me later on this likely.

[Espeonage]

On phone at a lol viewing party rn. Will come back later. Ns' summary of his read on me does not fit his in pt stances at all.

[wgeurts]

Esp, what are those stances?

[Postie]

There's some stuff I can't go into yet, but it felt like ns was misrepping Espe pretty hard in our PT and I think I was lied to at one point as well. I would be up for a notscience lynch today.

VOTE: notscience

Since the post restriction between ns and Jester has expired, I can at least go into some stuff on that now (didn't want notscience to be able to take his time with responding).

Nottie's reasons for townreading the Jester look really contrived to me. In our PT, ns defended the Jester pretty hard, but the only reason he could give for his read was that he didn't think Jester would be so uncooperative towards me if he was scum. That's not something I think is necessarily alignment indicative, but even it was, I told ns that Jester's meta shows him to be a lot more open and forthcoming with his thoughts (see Newbie 1623), which means there are definitely some problems with that point.
And yet notscience still adamantly townreads The_Jester. I would really expect a null read at best.

The whole thing feels a lot like white-knighting to me, especially with how, according to notscience, The_Jester is easy to mislynch.

[wgeurts]

Mind saying exactly what was said in the pt?

[Postie]

We're not allowed to quote PTs, sorry, but if there's something you want me to go into more detail on I can do that.

[Apricity]

What's white-knighting? And how was notscience misrepping Espe?

[Espeonage]

Sorry I am busy rn. As I said viewing party. Bit I am gonna do a rare Espy wall.

[Postie]

What's white-knighting? And how was notscience misrepping Espe?

White-knighting is when scum defends a scummy-looking townie that town might easily mislynch, in order to look more town.
Not sure I can really go into all the details about how I think he was misrepped yet (will make more sense once I do), but I should be able to soon. Espe might end up bringing it up himself.

[wgeurts]

We're not allowed to quote PTs, sorry, but if there's something you want me to go into more detail on I can do that.

Paraphrase, or run it through "english to Shakespearean translator" (google that) so that you're not directelt quoting.

[Postie]

run it through "english to Shakespearean translator" (google that) so that you're not directelt quoting.

@Mod

- Is this allowed?

No, because the first one I found when I googled also lets you put the shakespearean in to get something like the original English back out. Paraphrasing is fine, though. --P

[wgeurts]

It's not quoting

[Postie]

Alright, here is our discussion, paraphrased:

• ns asks me to explain my thoughts on Jester because he thinks Jester is just an awkward newbie.
  
  
• I say that I think that's a possibility, but I want there to be some pressure on Jester because there are some things that make me uneasy about him. Specifically, I mention I don't like how self-concious Jester looks in posts 42 and 47, how unwilling he was to explain his thoughts in post 62, and the fact he didn't feel the need to convince anyone he was town in post 64 and just kinda shrugged his shoulders and moved on.
  
  
• ns says he was talking to Jester and Jester told him he was often mislynched early, hence Jester's awkwardness, and he townreading me for similar reasons to Jester.
  
  
• ns corrects himself and says he talked to Jester before the game.
  [they didn't have a room at this point]
  
  
• I say I'll look at Jester's previous games and that I don't really care about the reason Jester townreads me; I just don't like how it feels like he's trying to dodge explaining his thoughts. I also ask how many people ns screened.
  
  
• ns says he screened most people and gives a list of who and how; says he didn't talk to herr and Apricity because they're new, but spoke to Jester because he could relate to him.
  
  
• I ask for more details on why he talked to Jester because paranoia.
  
  
• ns says he was mislynched a lot when he was new so he gets how much it sucks to be lynchbait as a new player.
  
  
• I say okie dokie, that makes sense, but I'm keeping my eye on Jester because he didn't act so cautious in Newbie 1623.
  
  
• ns says alrighty.

End of Jester Discussion

[Espeonage]

Ok so first thing that needs to get mentioned is that I asked NS about if he had been paired with everyone yet, and he goes no, then proceeds to list all of the rooms he has and completely misses his room with herr. Now look, it's incredibly weak, herr had made one post and hadn't been active in thread since so it's not unusual for it to not be in his mind if he's doing it from memory. However it is something to keep in mind for later. If one of them flips scum somewhere down the track.

So I point it out, he admits it's suss. It's a fair exchange.

Now what happens after is what I want to focus on. I tell him that I will be telling the thread about it when we can talk about each other again. He immediately agrees that this is what he'd do too and that it would be remiss to not do so. Then out of nowhere he 180s on me and takes an aggressive stance on me. I say, quite clearly, it's not something I would push on him for without things to support it. He becomes snappy, tells me that he rarely gets lynched and for me to try my best at lynching him. He had zero reason to take this stance, and this is the same time he votes me in thread.

I try to work out wtf is going on.

Then we have the issue that he then apparently misreps the entire exchange while talking to postie, who I was quite vocal to him that they was a very strong town read for me and even admitted to him that the reason I wanted a room with them is because it had potential to transform into a pseudo masons room.

The reason I view this as important is that he evidently has reason to want to wedge us as we are townreading each other. I do not see a pro-town reason to do this, however I very much see a pro scum reason to do this.

Now it should also be noted, and we did cover this, that NS said the same to me about Jester, before he said it to Postie. So I think the word slip is legit. There is still potential value in pressure on Jester, but with the current state of my NS read there is no reason to do that right now.

Unvote, VoteL NS

[Espeonage]

Sure.

Postie is town based off of some of the ways she interacted with me in the PT, namely based off of a slipup I made (I had talked to jester pregame and I had brought up something we had talked about in that pt without mentioning that I had talked to him pregame) and that paranoia and keying inon that shows the deeper level of thinking indictive of town.

Jester I get awkward newbtown vibes from.

And the loser is town, her interactions with me in the PT seemed genuine especially her response to why she was being serious regarding the mechanics.

And Espe originally started as a misunderstanding where I thought I posted something and then didn't but overall he's the person who's actually been talking to me a fair amount that I'm not getting townvibes off of? Someone mentioned that centering the game around the rooms could be a way to try and starve the game of information but his excuse is that it makes it easier on emotional readers and I didn't think to ask but then my big question is

who in this game would that even apply to?

Overall it's not a take to the bank scumread but it's the best I hve atm

MEEEEEEEEEEE.

And potentially others but idk people's playstyles and there is always potential for people to find something.

[notscience]

I formally acknowledge there is a large post I have to respond to but cba atm.

[notscience]

I lied I'll reply after I put pizza in the oven.