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Well now. I'm a tad surprised to log in this morning, and see all these posts having been made since my last one. This should be a good game.
To weigh in on what has been discussed; obviously, our top priority is lynching either culties or mafia. The one thing I don't want us to get hung up on is the "oh, this person claimed vanilla, he might be culted, lynch lynch" thing; I don't want the mafia to be able to claim power roles and get a free pass. We should lynch whoever seems likeliest to be a bad guy, whether they have claimed vanilla or not.
Then again, if a claimed vanilla seems cultish, then of course we should lynch them. Who knows; we may even hit the recruiter, and then we'll really be in good shape.
Hmm... lemme go see if MoS is posting elsewhere. Not like him to not get in a post on the first couple of pages...curiouskarmadog wrote:Vote Mastermind of Sin, get into the game man..-
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Ya know what?
Unvote: Dr. Blackstrike
Not sure I want to lynch a guy just for being slightly mistaken about what strategy we should use. My eye is still on him (so BEWARE ), but I'll give him a pass for now.
I had a thought: how on earth are we going to handle claims at the start of the game? Once we've reached a consensus on who is scummy, should we demand a claim from that person? If we do, and that person says "townie", we're in a bit of a pickle. It may well be best to lynch them; they may be lying, and even if they're not, it'll deny the cult a possible recruit.
Uh-oh. Am I agreeing with Dr. Blackstrike now?
The point is, we need to be careful about making roleclaims. They give info to both the mafia and the cult, but the cult can benefit more from those claims, apparently.
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Good morning. Checking in, reading over the recent posts...
My apologies, MoS, on focusing on your lack of posting in this game. I guess it was more noticeable than the absence of acfan or theopor, since you're more well-known on this site (IMO). But anyway...
I am now realizing what I always realize when I play in the scumchat room; my scumdar is broken. I don't know about this bandwagon on Flameaxe; to me, he hasn't acted any scummier than anyone else. Then again, I don't know who else to go after.
*gives scumdar a good swift kick*
Maybe that will work...-
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Just wanted to give you all fair warning; my posting will be somewhat limited the next several days. (As if it wasn't already...) I just found out that I need to make the final formatting changes to my Ph.D. thesis within the next week. Otherwise, I will have to register for a class to continue, and I can't afford to pay for another class. (I'm not in serious trouble. I'll still be able to post once or twice a day, but that's it.)
Anyway, MoS is right about his random vote. I wouldn't consider that a mark against him.
My eye right now is on tyhess. I agree with pwayne, he has been acting "weird". Thing is, he just joined the forums, and he's been acting like the typical newbie so far. So is he just a newbie town, or a newbie scum? RRR... if he'd been here for a few weeks already, I'd probably be voting for him now. Not sure I can attack him for newbness though.
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Still running the Ph.D. gauntlet. Still have a few days to go. I apologize for my lack of posting.
I looked at tyhess's latest posts. Still looks newbish, but not so scummy anymore. I'm satisfied with his answers for now.
Unvote tyhess
Gonna take a good look at flameaxe's posts next. If I agree with the bandwagon, I'll jump on; otherwise, I'll be back to square one.-
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So theo, you're basically saying pwayne is scum because he defended the Doctor, and whether the Doctor is scum or not, defending him is scummy? *shakes head*
If I had to vote one of your top two picks, theo (and I'm not sure I'd vote for either), I'd vote for the Doctor. At least he did something scummy: suggesting a strategy which wouldn't help the town. I haven't seen anything bad from pwayne yet.-
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Some quick thoughts, while I (surprisingly) have a few minutes to spare:
1. So far, tyhess has been on all of the major bandwagons except his own. Combine that with the fuss over not being able to edit his posts (which we aren't allowed to do), and tyhess has been acting like a major newb so far. Is that enough evidence, though, to lynch him? Unsure, but I know I'd really be kicking myself if I let him go and he turns out to be scum.
2. From what I gather, the earlier bandwagon on Dr. Blackstrike was simply due to his bad comment about strategy, and he hasn't done anything since to warrant an attack. As for Flameaxe, I still don't think there was much of a case against him either (don't repeat the arguments, vollkan; I read them already).
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a scumtell to vote one person and simultaneously FOS another? 'Cause it could be a setup for two wrong lynches in a row?ac1983fan wrote:vote:tyhess
He was acting scummy a few pages back, then he comes in and slaps a badwagon vote on theo, which is a crap wagon.
FOS:Omanfor started the theo case (which is crap) and this:
Don't try to differentiate from scum and cult. It's pointless, at least at this point.Scum-looking list includes: Flameaxe and Theo
Cult-looking list includes: CKD and tyhess (of course, it can only be one).
RRR. I gotta go with my gut at this point.Vote: tyhess.
If there's anything else you want me to respond to, let me know. For now, it's back to the grindstone...-
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Took another look at theo's posts. I still don't like his case (and subsequent vote) against pwayne in that one long post. Thing is, the rest of his arguments seem reasonable. If he had ranked pwayne a little lower, I probably wouldn't have thought theo was scummy at all. But that one faulty argument caught my attention.
Basically, theo is in the "slightly scummy" camp, as far as I'm concerned. Not scummy enough for a vote yet.-
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Meanwhile, I can now come here more often than I have been. Thesis uploaded. So until they email me back with corrections I have to make, I have some spare time.
First, the major scummy mark on me: my pushing of tyhess, after he made mostly newbish (though not necessarily scummy) moves. I know, he could be newbtown just as well as he could be newbscum. I guess his bandwagon jumping just didn't sit well with me. My vote still stands, though; I have nothing better at the moment. I'll switch only if I get a good reason to.
Second, acfan has done something that's not easy; lurked more than I have. Also, there was this:
Weak argument against Oman. I don't get it at all. Heh... now I've got my eye on the guy that's voting the same way I am.ac1983fan wrote:FOS:Omanfor started the theo case (which is crap) and this:
Don't try to differentiate from scum and cult. It's pointless, at least at this point.Scum-looking list includes: Flameaxe and Theo
Cult-looking list includes: CKD and tyhess (of course, it can only be one).
Third, I'll next take a look at this whole MoS/Oman thing. I'll comment on that once I've had a better look.-
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Okay, since White wants us to post our scumdars, that's what I'll do. Feel free to question me for anything I say (there might be some things I've overlooked):
Mastermind of Sin:So far, seems to have been playing exactly as per form, except for the fact that he didn't jump in until some time had passed. Unusual for a veteran like him, but perhaps he just forgot about this game.
Oman:Okay, I finally took a closer look at the "duel" between MoS and Oman a few pages back. So, Oman was suspicious of flameaxe and theo, while MoS was not so suspicious of them, and that set Oman off. Or something like that. (I'm a bit more confused about it now than I was before I read it.) That "duel" didn't make either of them seem more or less scummy to me.
ac1983fan:Hard to pick up on scumtells when there are so few posts to analyze. Perhaps a "come on now, talk" vote is in order. I'll think about it.
vollkan:Seems to be the most reasonable player so far. I really hope he's not scum.
Dr. Blackstrike:Dare I say it, his game has been the most similar to mine so far, outside of that faulty strategy comment at the start. An occasional post to say that he hasn't picked up on much yet, but that he's still looking. Guess I'd be the uber-hypocrite if I attacked him for that.
curiouskarmadog:Middle of the road. Haven't picked up on anything unusual yet.
pwayne66:Was one of those that helped disarm the early bandwagon on Dr. Blackstrike, and rightfully so. Then again, if the Doctor does turn up scum, this will be a mark on pwayne. Just something to file in the memory banks for later.
If I was really cruel, I'd pull out an LAL vote for pwayne, since he said he wouldn't post all weekend, then proceeded to post.
tyhess:Still the newb, and still my vote, though I give him a slightly lower scumdar rating now than I did before. I'm open to alternatives.
Flameaxe:Was subject to an early bandwagon. I didn't quite buy the reasons for it at the time, and I still don't. Oy vey... I'm starting to realize that I've put most people into the "possibly scummy, but no hard evidence, I dunno" category, including Flameaxe. I gotta kick this scumdar again.
White (r. Rump-Wat):Man. He's posting way differently as White than he did as Rump-Wat. Maybe he got recruited during the day?
Seriously though, White has a much better scumdar than I do if MoS turns out to be scum. I really don't want to jump on that bandwagon, considering MoS seems to be playing as usual. But I can't fault White for applying a little pressure.
(By the way, White, I'm only a newb when in comes to forum games. I've been "making my lettuce" in chatroom games.)
theopor_COD:An early lurker, but a solid contributer since.
So, who's at the top of my list? Tyhess, barely. I guess acfan would be up there as well, simply because he's said so little... but if he starts talking, he'll probably move down my list. And after that... RRR. I don't know! I've gotta find some other candidate. I'll keep looking things over.-
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Hard to say. Mafia, I guess.White wrote: Ok, so would you say Tyhess is acting more like mafia or cultist?
Hmm... you mean because he hasn't really gone after anyone yet, and didn't post a full breakdown of his opinions? Hmm... maybe I better do a little research. I'll go see if this is normal for him at this early stage.White wrote: What do you think of MoS's deliberate refusal to help the town find scum?
I realized that as I was typing it out. I'll keep an eye out for more definitive evidence, but I'm struggling at this point.theopor_COD wrote: This all seems very nicey nicey. Everyone kinda seems nice.-
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Here I was, all set to get up in the morning and get to responding to things, and I find out that you folks talked all night. So much to catch up on.
First of all,unvoteuntil this thing with acfan is settled. If he gets in here and starts posting, or if he's replaced, then fine. But it could always be that he did pick up the prod, and he told the mod he's lurking on purpose. (Too crazy a thought?) If more days pass and still nothing happens at all, perhaps we should lynch him and be done with it.
Second of all, as I said I would do, I did a little research into the playstyle of our resident veteran, MoS. (Sorry, MoS. That's what happens when you play so many games; you get scrutinized for everything you do.) I looked at other current games he's playing; usually, he found someone scummy to go after very early in those games. Not here. I know, he just started going after tyhess, but it took a while to get to that point.
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I'm ashamed to say it, but our veteran has just gone up my scum list ever so slightly. No vote yet, but I'll be keeping my eye on MoS.
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I just want to point out that I think MoS is acting a bit more conservatively than normal for him, and it bothers me. Theo may soon be the only one defending you, MoS.Mastermind of Sin wrote:acfan - lurking
CKD - said he expected me to act different if I was scum, but left himself the opening to switch opinions without anything momentous happening first
Dr. Blackstrike - has ignored conversation about me completelyFoS: Dr. Blackstrike
Flameaxe - says I'm not helping much, but doesn't really offer an analysis on me, just reiterates actions I've taken
Oman - attacking me
pwayne - attacking me
theo - defending me
Trojan Horse - defending me
tyhess - attacking me on crappy reasoning over stuff that's not even relevant to the game
vollkan - agreed with me a lot and defended me a bit, somehow managed to put me at his #3 suspicion when he "doesn't feel strongly about MoS"
White - attacking me
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Oh man. There was supposed to be a smiley at the end of that post. That comment was in jest.Trojan Horse wrote:
3 days since last post from acfan. 7 days since last post with any substance from acfan. Tick tick.
I eagerly await theo's next post, as he completes his breakdown of all the players. Hope he doesn't think I'm too scummy.
Unvote, Vote: Trojan Horse
This feels way off to me. You hope he doesn't think you're "too" scummy? I see no reason to make a post like this. You've made posts like this earlier, asking me if I was going to attack you now, or something like that. You keep acting like you expect to be scummy, you expect to get heat from other players. It's almost as if you expect to be lynched. Other than these remarks, you haven't seemed that scummy, so I don't see any reason a protown player would be worried about their scumminess. You haven't done anything of note for a townie to worry about.-
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RRR.Vote: MoS. This is not about his latest vote on me; I guess I deserved that, after I made my "hope theo doesn't think I'm scum" comment without tacking on a smiley. This is about my gut feelings about him being scum.
I've been sitting around without voting for too long. It's time for me to (at least temporarily) commit.-
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As far as the claiming before lynch thing, MoS, remember that this is a different kind of game. If you're a plain townie, then your claiming that doesn't do us any good, as has been discussed. We'd really have no choice but to lynch you at that point; from our point of view, either we'd then be down one scum, or we'd deny the cult an easy recruit. And if you are a protown power role... well, I'm sure you would come forward right before your lynch and make the claim, regardless of whether we asked for it. So I didn't think of pushing for a claim.
Anyway,Unvotefor now so I can think, and also to give our replacement for acfan some time to weigh in.
Finally, what's this about -1? I never saw more than 5 votes on MoS at any one time. Did I miscount?-
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That one post preceding my vote made no difference to me, one way or the other. My vote was based on some very weak evidence (only for lack of anything stronger); it took quite a bit of time for MoS to start honing in on a potential suspect. Longer than I thought he'd take, if he were protown (based on some earlier games I found). I unvoted to give things some more thought; my concerns, weak as they were, were not "dealt with". I'll put the vote back on MoS if I can't find any better alternatives.White wrote: Trojan, are we to believe you don't think MoS is scum other than for that one post preceding your vote? Because you unvoted saying that your concern was dealt with. The point made above your vote was sketchy at best.
But I'm not going to vote at all until acfan is replaced. I want the replacement to read up and weigh in.
Is there anything else I need to respond to? I'm sure I missed something in all these posts.-
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Where is theo, anyway? I'm still waiting for him to finish breaking down who he thinks is scummy.
Incidentally; this game seems to have temporarily devolved into MoS versus pwayne and White, with everyone else (including myself) taking a back seat. If one of those three is scum, I wouldn't mind this so much. But it's bad news if all three bad guys are just sitting back and watching the town rip itself to shreds.
I'll be home most of the day tomorrow, lesson-planning and cleaning house. I'll be sure to take time for at least a few posts.-
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You want fishy, eh? Okay. Lemme look at each person, and see if I can find things that look fishy. (It'll be good for me too, considering my last breakdown of the players was mostly about how townish everyone looks.)Oman wrote: Gut feeling should come first.
In fact no-one should need to vote based on "gut" this far into it. There should be something that smells fishy.
Mastermind of Sin: As I said before, took a while before honing in on a suspect. A bit longer than I thought he would take.
Oman: Pushing me into making this post.
ac1983fan: Nothing beyond his total absence. I'll have to wait until he is replaced.
vollkan: Seems to have more interest in the game than anyone else. Maybe he's so interested because he's scum? (Weak, I know.)
Dr. Blackstrike: There was his strategy suggestion at the start, of course. But now there's something bigger: somehow, he keeps finding time to make posts, but not to make posts with any content to them. Doing just barely enough to avoid modkills and suspicion, perhaps?
curiouskarmadog: Can't find anything yet.
pwayne66: Defused the early bandwagon on Dr. Blackstrike. Could be townie behavior; could be he just didn't think the Doc was scummy. Or it could be he was defending a scummate.
tyhess: The bandwagon hopping is the most suspicious thing.
Flameaxe: Not posting since Monday, despite early contributions.
White: Being willing to replace into a silly game like this. Seriously though, nothing looks fishy at all.
theopor_COD: The unwarranted attack on pwayne early on, back when pwayne was defusing the early bandwagon on Dr. Blackstrike. Does that contradict what I said about pwayne? I guess it does.
And finally, can't let myself off the hook:
Trojan Horse: Being swayed easily by other people's arguments. Are they really changing my mind, or am I scum trying to avoid suspicion?-
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Perhaps I should have said "An attempt at more meaningful thoughts" to come tonight. Cause I looked over the posts since I made my last major post, looking for more things to go on... and I didn't find much.
I am glad Flameaxe is back, and that he had a legitimate reason for his absence. And I'm DEFINITELY glad acfan finally got replaced. Two more minds will help solve this problem (I hope).
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that nearly everyone has been accused of possibly being scum for one reason or another. Either because of absence (acfan, Flameaxe, Dr. Blackstrike) or extreme newbishness (tyhess) or of trying to lead the conversation too much (vollkan, White), or for some other reason. But one person seems to have avoided all suspicion for any reason: curiouskarmadog. My point? Well, uh... not sure I have one, but... uh... just seemed strange I couldn't find anything against him... uh...
Okay, I guess I lied. This was definitely not meaningful. Sorry.-
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Okay, I've got a few free moments at work here. Time for some more thoughts.
Not so happy with theo's latest post.
This comment is okay. The reason why you haven't seen any hardcore feelings from me yet is because... well... I sadly don't have any yet. You can take a good look at my posts where I listed my thoughts on each player; if it looks like I'm grasping at straws, it's because I am. At the moment I'm looking at either lynching MoS for being a bit too conservative at the start, or lynching tyhess for too much bandwagon hopping. If you've noticed anything more meaningful against anyone, please let me know.theopor_COD wrote: Trojan Horse is another guy who's slowly pricking my senses, reading his posts a lot of them seem to be fence sitting, he'll vote someone and then unvote. No real hardcore feelings almost as if he's in the know and is happy to play along with whatever's going down.
It's theo's other comment I don't like.
It's not a scum beacon at all. I was keeping an eye on him before he got replaced, since it was possible that he was paying attention and lurking on purpose (and keeping the mod informed of that). But since he got replaced, you can't conclude anything about him, other than RL got in the way somehow. As for Kakeng, his first "breakdown" post seems reasonable for a replacement. I don't think he's any more or less scummy than anyone else at the moment.theopor_COD wrote: My opinion of ac1983/replacement hasn't changed. I still think AC's post back yonder and subsequent dissapearance is the biggest scum beacon out there, his replacement seems to be working through giving everyone a minor fos but I don't really see the same zest as when say White replaced in or compare it to Tar's introduction. Tar came in straight away slung a vote on . . . which to me indicates he's not bothered about attraction. Kakeng seems overly cautious mind maybe I should let him finish his read-through.-
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I said I had no HARDCORE feelings. I didn't say I had no opinions. I've had plenty of them- check my earlier posts- but none of them have given me confidence that anyone is scum. If I don't find something better to go on, I'll have to vote for MoS or tyhess based on weak evidence. Give me something better to go on, if you have it.White wrote:
That right there sounds scummy. As town you should definitely have opinions on a game that isTrojan Horse wrote:The reason why you haven't seen any hardcore feelings from me yet is because... well... I sadly don't have any yet.27pages in. There is no excuse.FoS: TH
Oh, and theo... lemme go see what acfan said before he got replaced. I'll go see what you're talking about.-
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I went back and looked at where acfan was questioned about this post. Perhaps I should've done that sooner; for a while, I was just looking at acfan's posts (using the "show acfan's posts" option) without looking at each one in context. Okay. Now I see why you're suspicious of acfan and his replacement. He made this comment, then was questioned about it, then vanished. Hmm...theopor_COD wrote:Main scummy post - avoids the Theo wagon, say's its a crap wagon . . . why eh? why does he think it was a crap wagon.
Gets questioned over it, now maybe I'm being harsh but I cannot believe he didn't notice ppl asked the question of him, I think he simply didn't have an answer, next post was one implying he'd forgotten.ac1983 wrote:vote:tyhess
He was acting scummy a few pages back, then he comes in and slaps a badwagon vote on theo, which is a crap wagon.
FOS:Oman for started the theo case (which is crap) and this:
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Cult-looking list includes: CKD and tyhess (of course, it can only be one).
Don't try to differentiate from scum and cult. It's pointless, at least at this point.
Okay. I'll raise acfan/Kakeng's scummy level a notch. But just a notch.-
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It means I now understand why theo was suspicious of acfan. Acfan vanished after being questioned about one of his posts; perhaps he was scum and didn't want to continue after being caught.
I'm agreeing that the timing of acfan's disappearance makes him slightly scummy. But only slightly. If I'm content with how Kakeng acts (and so far I am), I won't worry about acfan's disappearance anymore.
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Horrible how? Cause I was pressured into voting, like White said? Or because I didn't commit until now?theopor_COD wrote:699 is horrible.
unvote, vote Trojan Horse
Regardless, I'm in a d***ed if I do, d***ed if I don't situation right now. MoS votes me for not voting for anyone, and White votes me for being pressured into voting. What do you people want?
Anyway, you're absolutely right, White. I guess that was just a frustrating moment for me; I'm getting a bit tired of having to waffle because I don't feel too strongly about anyone as of yet. But that's no reason to be pressured into a premature vote; we still have plenty of time to discuss.
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Uh-oh. I've just been pressured into unvoting. Now what'll I do?
I'll take a look at the Flameaxe/White thing now. I will point out one thing though; tyhess has now jumped onto yet ANOTHER new bandwagon. This is the same thing he kept doing earlier in the game. Opportunistic much? But then again, it's natural to vote me after I voted him. I'll have to think about how much scummier (if at all) this makes him.-
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As I said before (though I doubt I could find the post), that comment was a joke, theo. I meant to put a smiley on the end; just forgot to.
Okay, looked over Flameaxe/White. You know what? I'm sure the scum were sitting back and laughing there for a minute, glad that the heat was off them for a while. This whole thing started off with Flameaxe saying that his schedule had gotten in the way of a deep analysis; something I can certainly sympathize with, given what I have on my plate right now. It looks like White just saw an opportunity to apply a little pressure to Flameaxe and look for scumtells. And then Flameaxe responded in kind. Natural mafia play. Null tells from both.-
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Apparently my jokes are taken seriously even when I DO attach a smiley on the end. That's it. I gotta stop making jokes.vollkan wrote:
So this is all about saving yourself?Trojan Horse wrote: Horrible how? Cause I was pressured into voting, like White said? Or because I didn't commit until now?
Regardless, I'm in a d***ed if I do, d***ed if I don't situation right now. MoS votes me for not voting for anyone, and White votes me for being pressured into voting. What do you people want? Wink
Of course it's not about saving myself. The goal is to find and lynch scum. Tyhess is really the top person on my list. If you have something better, let me know. Thing is, I've been annoyed myself that I haven't been able to pick up on any major scumtells yet. I guess I was in a position where I could be pushed into a premature vote. No excuse, I know, but that's the way it is.
As for just explaining why my vote was legitimate; it's nothing you've haven't heard already. Bandwagon hopping and excessive newbish behavior. Weak, I know.-
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Another post, to *bump* this thread up and to restart the attack against me.
Let me give you the sum total of my thoughts right now. I actually have 4 suspects in mind right now, and I would find it tough to vote for anyone else. In approximate order of scumminess:
tyhess: I know, I know, he's an easy target. But easy targets can be scum too. I think all his opportunistic bandwagon hopping is too much, even for a newb. If there had been a night round at the start, I wouldn't be as concerned. I would think tyhess is newbtown, since I would assume any newbscum would be cautioned by more experienced scummates not to stand out in the crowd. But we started with day. Could be tyhess is newbscum, and hasn't been forewarned.
MoS: It's still about how long it took for him to focus on a suspect at the start. Not something I would attack most players for, but this is MoS after all. Incidentally, if he is scum, that would've been a brilliant move on his part: pushing me into voting, knowing that everyone else would jump on me for it. But it's his behavior early in the game that I'm mostly concerned about.
curiouskarmadog: If you want to attack me for "flying under the radar" (as someone said), why aren't you attacking this guy too? We're in the same boat.
White: This would be my final option. He's been taking control since he replaced in, putting pressure on several people in turn. Scummy? Not in and of itself. That's what players do: look for scumtells. But is this his usual style of play? As I did with MoS, I'm going to take a quick look at some other games he's in and see if he's doing the same thing. If he is, fine. If not, I'll give him the eye of suspicion.
I see nothing in anyone else worth lynching over. You'd have quite a time trying to convince me to lynch someone other than these four.
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How long did it take me to put that list together? Not long. I rallied my thoughts this morning from what I remembered, and that's what I came up with. Yeah, forgot about acfan/Kakeng there. It was an awfully small notch. Put him on at the same level as White: I expect that I'll be satisfied with Kakeng's behavior, and that will be that.-
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That was my post a while back, CKD. I had gotten less of a read on you than on anyone else at that point- which is tough, considering I have a hard time getting reads anyway- and I'd found it "curious" that you'd avoided all suspicion up to that point. That's all. I'd say tyhess and MoS are better choices; I'm not going to launch a full attack against you.Trojan Horse wrote:Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that nearly everyone has been accused of possibly being scum for one reason or another. Either because of absence (acfan, Flameaxe, Dr. Blackstrike) or extreme newbishness (tyhess) or of trying to lead the conversation too much (vollkan, White), or for some other reason. But one person seems to have avoided all suspicion for any reason: curiouskarmadog. My point? Well, uh... not sure I have one, but... uh... just seemed strange I couldn't find anything against him... uh...
Theo, if you think my list of 4 were all protown, who do you think is scum? I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I'd like to hear where you stand.-
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That join date is very deceptive, White. This is my first forum game at mafiascum. (I'm also participating in Pie's Screw the Players game; possibly as an /inny, possibly as an /outty.) My earlier experience of online mafia consists of two forum games at the Grey Labyrinth (both of which were aborted due to inactivity of other players) and plenty of games in the scumchat room. But as far as forum games go here, I've been a lurker for all that time.
I don't have confidence that acfan/Kakeng is protown. I don't know if he is or not. The only thing that makes him scummier than the average player is the fact that acfan disappeared immediately after being questioned. So? That's a slight mark, but only a slight one. Come on, RL can strike at any time.
Tell ya what. Let's get Kakeng's opinion of all this. Surely if we are scummates (as theo thinks), his words will just dig the both of us deeper.
I'll look over those links now, White. Should be enough to satisfy me.-
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You know what? I'm an idiot. Why am I believing this "acfan vanished right when he was attacked, he's probably scum" thing? I did a bit of digging and noticed that he was also playing in Animal Crossing Mafia and modding a mini game when he vanished. Does it make any sense that he was so unhappy about being caught as scum in our game that he would abandon every other game he was involved in? (Might I point out, his last post was in our game.)
That's it. I don't care if I look scummy for saying this, but I don't think acfan/Kakeng is any scummier than the average player. That could change later (just as it could for anyone else), but he's not on my list right now. I'm still eyeing MoS and tyhess, with CKD a weak (and unlikely) 3rd choice.-
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MoS wrote:Trojan Horse, the point is, there is no logical reason for you to not suspect anyone right now. I don't want you to vote for the sake of voting, which is what you just did. I want you to vote someone because you think they are scum. You can't just not think anyone is scum, because that's obviously wrong. There is plenty of material for you to go over and find someone you think is scum.
No excuse, MoS! Plenty of material, MoS! Plenty of material to look over and find someone you think is scum. That's what you said, right?MoS wrote:*shrug*
That's about the point I'm at in this game so far. I could make an argument for just about anyone in the game to be scum for some convoluted reason or another. I'd like to lynch White or Tyhess out of sheer annoyance, but I can't tell whether stupidity or anti-town alignment is driving their actions this game.-
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Tar had limited access for a few days (or so he claimed in the V/LA thread). But he's back now, and posting in his other games. I assume he just needs to be prodded.
Mod, prod TarMod Edit: done.
If the prod doesn't do the trick, then I'm willing to vote for him. But I'll wait until the mod has had a chance to track him down.-
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Well pwayne, at least your #2 and #3 are the same as my #1 and #2.
You've got until Wednesday night, Tar. Then talk, or else!
Not sure how to react to Kakeng's latest post. Had he been in the game from the start- not a replacement- I wouldn't think anything of it. RL struck, big deal. But this is the guy that replaced acfan. I can't help but wonder about that. Then again, at least Kakeng has given us a reasonable reason for absence; can't say the same about acfan.-
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Well, I wasn't really hunting scum when I was being attacked, either. Then again, I guess I wasn't doing much better when I WASN'T being attacked.White wrote:Saying you've been so busy defending yourself that you couldn't hunt scum is a lie. Stop lying MoS.
Anyway, I'm more concerned about MoS's lower than usual level of scumhuntingbeforehe was attacked (as I've said before); what he saidwhilehe was attacked didn't seem scummy to me.-
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Okay. I'm also confused by tyhess's comments. Definitely don't think MoS was setting a "trap" there.
Careful, tyhess. I've been attacked big time (and possibly deservedly so) for making jokes, and the same could happen to you. Then again, if you really are scum, feel free to look as scummy as you want-
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Man. You just had to give me another thing to think about, CKD. Tar definitely hasn't been a very helpful replacement yet. (Hmm. Perhaps Kakeng deserves a look for the same reason.) Do we want to do a lurker-lynch? I'm tempted.
Kakeng said he'd post today. I'm not hopeful that will actually happen, but I'll give him a chance.
Oh, and MoS: if you're so annoyed at having to play with 11 newbs like us, we could always put you out of your misery. (No smiley attached to this comment. I'm seriously considering voting for him... though for reasons of scumminess, of course.)-
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