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@ hercombs aggh no that's not how it works and that's not how it happened. I gave my evidence as to why mean melter if he was town he would be able to shut it down instantly and easily and guess what he didn't. I proved it enough to be really a valid possibility which included mean melter lieing about the way events happened a second time he was soft defending scum and didn't admit to it. So I think that in itself is evidence enough to say my case has merit and holds weight.
So this makes me think two things you went walls derp and didn't read a thing which is not what a townie should do or your scum buddies with mean melter and chainsawing for him.-
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@dwelle
In post 1050, herrcombs wrote:Alrighty, I was gone most of the weekend but I'm catching up now. Wall incoming
In post 928, Keyser Söze wrote:Garmr reads the emerging Haschel Cedricson wagon as a scum-counter wagon. I can see town-Garmr thinking this:
tbf, I think this could also come from scum trying to protect his buddy.
In post 930, Keyser Söze wrote:Garmr REALLY wants the Lalendra lynch: post 829, post 830, post 837, post 842, post 847, post 854.
This does make me feel that Garmr didn't know Haschel Cedricson was scum.
Could you explain this for me Keyser? Are you saying if Garmr and Haschel were scumbuddies, Garmr wouldn't have had an outburst like that trying to get Lala lynched? Not sure I agree.
In post 947, Keyser Söze wrote:I felt like Haschel Cedricson gave out many views/reads on behaviour of many players, but primarily focused only on Lalendra and Hieirama.
Lalendra wins a town point for being the wagon that Haschel Cedricson pushed D1/D2.
Haschel Cedricson did not vote for anyone else he'd given a negative remark on.
Interestingly, I could not find a read/opinion that Haschel Cedricson gave on Meanmelter.
I agree with these statements. I think Haschel's flip looks good for Lala and Hiei, but it makes me nervous about Meanmelter and Garmr.
In post 948, Garmr wrote:I'm trying to set up a situation that will get lale killed if she's town by scum or lynched as scum or forces scum to protect a town power role to keep lale alive if she's scum
Regarding this whole thing, where Garmr tries to out the remaining mason(s), I am going like this O.O We don't know if scum have something like a roleblocker or a strongman, which is likely if Lala is actually the doc and tried to save BBT last night. Garmr gets huge scum points in my book for trying to do this against the remaining mason(s)' will, and for making it easier for scum to hunt them down by pressuring DWL to confirm/deny his role. I'm beginning to feel more strongly that Garmr is scum who's just super ballsy with his anti-town behavior. I just don't see town playing this kind of risk, lemme break it down -- If Garmr's wrong about Lalendra, then his 'plan' directly kills two PRs, one at night, and the other gets lynched the next day. Actually, if Garmr is town and felt so strongly about Lala being scum, he wouldn't bother with this whole runaround. He'd just want to lynch Lala today. That way, we would still have conftown more likely to survive until later.
In post 966, Meanmelter wrote:I do not recall you not feeling townie agbout Keyser? You said he was null-town and that he has been under your radar, but I believe that was the last you mentioned of him. Perhaps you mean you are reassured? Especially with those last two statements who you felt are both town.
Yes, I am reassured that Keyser is likely town.
Garmr's post 973 bothers the crap out of me. It's like Garmr has a finger in each ear going "LALALA I CANT FUKING HEAR YOU" and just trying to drive his narrative home.
At this point, I do not think Meanmelter and Garmr are scum together, but I would wager that there's a scum between them.
A quick diversion -- I'm not a fan of Hieirama's 1002 for the same reason I've not been a fan of most of her play so far. So much vague language, so little desire to reread anything or analyze what has transpired in the game. I wanted real answers to my questions in 984, not just fencesitting without having reread the game and without indicating a desire to figure out the game to any depth. I can't take your reads seriously, Hieirama, if you just make posts like 955 and 983 without substantiation, and continue not to substantiate them after being pressured.
In post 1014, Meanmelter wrote:So what are your opinions on me, then?
I think that you have tunneled Garmr the entire game, and whether you are town or scum, it has left sort of a blind spot for other things that have been going on. That being said, I can see your push against Garmr as a town push. You have made several good points that I agree with, so that prompted my question to Hieirama when she said "not liking how anti-Garmr Meanmelter is being" in 983. I think there are points in your push against Garmr that appear to be misrepresented (e.g. the phrase at the end of 466 "You went from AFK one line posts to softclaiming out of the blue..." it's not clear whether you were trying to say Garmr was afk before he claimed, or rather that the style of his posts were afk-one-liners.) However, I think Garmr is totally overblowing how all of your posts are "shit" and misreps and strawmen and w/e. I think in your interactions with Garmr, Garmr looks way worse. I think Garmr complains about misreps and strawmen, all the while misrepresenting you and making strawman arguments. So I'm not liking Garmr atm.
Note to self: I should come back to myko's 1027 once I have some more time.
In post 1030, mykonian wrote:I think today I'd like to go with the theory that garmr and mean are the two remaining scum. It makes sense on a couple of levels.
Could you explain the levels on which this association makes sense? I'm not seeing this conclusion as readily as you are atm. Ever since meanmelter replaced in, do you think the aggression that he's shown towards Garmr is not unlikely to occur between two scum?
Reading Garmr's 1040, ok he's actually making a few decent points here. Like his point about the line from MM's 466. However (let's look at the FACT THAT WASN"T TRUE line), Garmr, you have it wrong. Your only scumreads D2 were people who were either voting you or considering it. See 530. I even called you out on this, and you sheepishly dropped your contrived scumread on me like a bad habit. Your scumread on feli D1 was AFTER he had first scumread you (see 270). Same with myko. Why does this matter? Because it looks like you're only interested in lynching people who want to kill you. Your scumhunting revolves around yourself. It looks like you're looking inward, not outward, and that is scummy.
In post 1044, Meanmelter wrote:The mafia are NOT killing people who see you as town. I do not recall BBT calling you town,
This is actually not true. BBT was pretty sure Garmr is town. Just look at his interaction with Garmr at the end of D2. And his 636, he outright said that the Garmr wagon was bad.
Holy crap this back-and-forth between Garmr and Mean is painful. It's basically Garmr going, "Mean did this," mean replies "No I didn't," then Garmr goes "Yeah you did." For the record Garmr, if you make claims about someone, the burden is on YOU to prove their validity. If you claim that Mean "says i provided no reads or anything," and he denies saying that, then it's your responsibility to show where he in fact said it. If you claim that Mean "tried to dispel my reads as only people that scum read me," and mean says he did no such thing, it is your responsibility to either show where he in fact said it, or admit that you're lying. Your 1045 just looks like you're trying to back yourself out of responsibility of claims you've made against mean. "really can't be bothered with these anwsers as they do nothing to change my points," well your points don't mean much if they're false to begin with. As scum, this makes complete sense, because you're using hyperbole to fabricate a case to get someone lynched. If you're town, it just means that you are lazy in how you throw shit around, making claims that aren't verifiable, exaggerating because you feel a certain way about a slot. I'm leaning towards the former.
VOTE: Garmr
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In post 1089, Dwlee99 wrote:Herrcombs read the conversation, there is no doubt about that. I don't think that his post is scummy, can you point out what about it is?
I don't think he read my arguments with mean melter as his quick to label me as saying no you didn't when I have facts and actually got the point that mean melter was soft defending hascheil which he denied which you guys acknowledge he did. Thus means at most he did a quick glance through what was actually written. I want to know if you think that's scum pretending to do a quick glance or town because it's been pointed out I do make some fair point in posts even through not everyone agrees with all of them.-
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In post 1050, herrcombs wrote: If you claim that Mean "tried to dispel my reads as only people that scum read me," and mean says he did no such thing, it is your responsibility to either show where he in fact said it, or admit that you're lying. Your 1045 just looks like you're trying to back yourself out of responsibility of claims you've made against mean. "really can't be bothered with these anwsers as they do nothing to change my points," well your points don't mean much if they're false to begin with. As scum, this makes complete sense, because you're using hyperbole to fabricate a case to get someone lynched. If you're town, it just means that you are lazy in how you throw shit around, making claims that aren't verifiable, exaggerating because you feel a certain way about a slot. I'm leaning towards the former.
VOTE: Garmr
this is him saying my points are all shit when it's obvious that when another person (soon to be more than one) agrees with me that there not one point that's right. It means he either didn't read everything correctly, isn't really good player or scum. Because I don't see how it's possible to come to that conclusion when other players are agreeing with me.-
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@dwlee why are you so confusing stop it seriously.
Because he didn't mention it specifically but it's in the post his responding to. Saying my points are shit because they aren't supported with evidence when they pretty much can be supported as much as you can in a mafia game and I'm not the only one having these thoughts. My points on mean melter are better than anything his produced this game and he has the audacity to say that.-
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In post 1142, herrcombs wrote:In post 1110, Lalendra wrote:So just to be clear, you are saying, since you voted Garmr, that you think Mean is town?
After Haschel's lynch, I was considering that Mean could be scum due to his interactions with him earlier in the game. However, the events of today make me townread Mean for a few reasons. Namely, Garmr's push against Mean seems buried in false accusations and hyperbole that have been challenged, and then ignored by Garmr. I don't understand why as town, Garmr needs to do this. The evidence he and others have presented so far does not compel me to vote for Mean, and furthermore, it makes me believe the Mean wagon is scum driven. I don't feel comfortable joining that wagon with two of my scumreads (Garmr and Hiei) on it. (Although it looks like Hiei is being force-replaced out, which I still have no idea how to feel about.)
This game has stagnated and it seems people are content letting the dichotomy between Garmr and Mean go unchallenged. Then again, we have less than four days left so I'm guessing we'll end up choosing between the two unless someone has strong feelings about someone else.
No i had some pretty good points which obviously people have noticed because they are voting mean melter just you have the inability to read the game. You also don't have the mental capacity to point out where you think my reads are hyperboyle making for a pretty shitty reason to scum read me. I don't think you have produced any good content this whole game.
I find it funny also how no one has even pointed out this
In post 745, herrcombs wrote:I didn't realize that we have less than four IRL days left before the deadline. We should probably consolidate, yeah?
From what I understand, several people don't want to take sides in the Garmr vs Lalendra thing. I can understand the desire to let their PR claims sort themselves out. If I had to compromise (someone who's not Garmr/Lalendra/Hieirama), I'd pick Haschel. It seems like he's popping in this game every so often only to take little prods at people without building serious reads or analyzing the game to any degree of depth. He's flown under my radar all game but I could definitely see that as a scum tactic.
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VOTE: Haschel Cedricson
In post 801, herrcombs wrote:Fuck it. You're actually right -- a Lala lynch gives us a hell of a lot more information than a Haschel lynch.
We'd better be right about this, or else I'm flipping my desk.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lalendra L-2
That was you jumping off the lalendra wagon at any chance you got.
Only when lalendra lynch looked impossible and hascheals looked imminent did you jump on the wagon.
So guess what bud Your the next lynch tomorrow. Even if it means giving keyser a logical bitchslap to do it.-
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In post 1149, herrcombs wrote:I honestly don't know why I am responding to you right now, but golly I feel compelled to. First you invite me to fellate you (which I've thought long and hard about, but I'll decline, thanks anyway), next youcompletelyevade the criticism lodged at your case against meanmelter by demeaning those who bring it up, then you insult my intelligence and imply I haven't done anything this game. And still you're either misreading everything I write, or you're deliberately misrepresenting me.
Actually ya know what, I'm not going to do this with you any more. I've had it with your juvenile personal attacks.
And you can't intimidate me. Nice try lining up your mislynch targets though scum
Lol time will tell scum. You haven't even brought upany legit criticismbtw no specific reasoning all you do ispaint with a broad brush. Btw I'm attacking your gameplay not you so buck up because if you want me to attack you personally I can there are a lot of players who say worse on this site and get away with it. Also I haven't misrepped you at all.-
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In post 1153, Dwlee99 wrote:They think saying "when" means that it will happen, meanmelter. It is pretty clear you mean if, though.
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In post 1177, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 1176, Aj The Epic wrote:In post 1174, Dwlee99 wrote:Any summary will be biased, just rtt.
Are you suggesting that an obvious bad bias can be said without repercussions?
We had an early hammer D1 and no repercussions, lol.
I learned as town you can get away with claiming hider day 1, Faking a cop guilty on someone and end up mislynching them, Faking a day vig on a player so they roleclaim or just outing a power role in general and still avoid getting lynched and win it for town.
When people cry about anti town plays it's scum that tend to push the anti town players the hardest and scum stupidly fall for it every time and get lynched.-
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In post 1179, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 1178, Garmr wrote:In post 1177, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 1176, Aj The Epic wrote:In post 1174, Dwlee99 wrote:Any summary will be biased, just rtt.
Are you suggesting that an obvious bad bias can be said without repercussions?
We had an early hammer D1 and no repercussions, lol.
I learned as town you can get away with claiming hider day 1, Faking a cop guilty on someone and end up mislynching them, Faking a day vig on a player so they roleclaim or just outing a power role in general and still avoid getting lynched and win it for town.
When people cry about anti town plays it's scum that tend to push the anti town players the hardest and scum stupidly fall for it every time and get lynched.
Wut. You should of been lynched at the fake cop guilty. o.O
Did that actually happen?
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I'm surprised laleandra was shot through probably shows that the role that countered laleandra was limited.
I was banking more on a mea n/her scum team I just didn't expect mean to be that bad and he can read the dead thread to confirm I'm town and realize by focusing on me all his done all game is been a thorn in towns side.-
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In post 1230, Aj The Epic wrote:This sounds like scum talking. Given the count of players, if you're suggesting mylo there's two scum. You're giving us an 'either or' situation rather than saying it's this team. Myko and herrcombs actually have a lot of interaction day 1, which is something you wouldn't generally see from a scum team, especially with a new player like herr.
I don't know how you can be town when you're hitting every single scum tell in the books, including the "Oh wow" sort of reaction to a night kill.
In honesty, if it's been three days of focusing garmr without any investigative or substantive clears, he SHOULD"VE been lynched. This is a serious misplay by the town that he's still standing and that we have to deal with this now in mylo. I don't think he's town and my only real concern is I've never really played a full game with myko. I'll continue catching up but I doubt my opinion will change on this matter.
this is wrong on so many levels
Myko and herrcombs actually have a lot of interaction day 1,
Myko actually have a lot of interaction day 1,
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In post 1238, Keyser Söze wrote:I will post a thorough catch-up tomorrow. One of my other games is approaching deadline.
Yeah but you been neglecting this game recently.There's way to multi task and not neglect a game if you find yourself taking a bigger load than you can handle and end up neglecting a game you know what I would do.-
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In post 1241, Dierfire wrote:If Lalendra was really the Doctor then the Mafia really had an ability to bypass her protection or block her action. I'm not voting for Garmr unless someone convinces me that the game isn't better balanced with a Town BP.
Herrcombs makes a good point on AJ and one that I'm following with interest.
@dier I think there would be one scum on the wagon and one off. Also unless we lynch scum today I don't feel like town could pull it through.-
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In post 1252, herrcombs wrote:In post 1250, Garmr wrote:Why you want me lynched. Aldo it was vote 3
There are multiple things I want from today. And I wasn't referring to the number of votes on you.
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It's better I get lynched now than in mylo because if i get lynched in mylo town lose. The only way I can win with me alive is to lynch scum but people like you hercombs (which i think might be town now) are making it hard to lynch real scum. As far As I'm concerned people who tunnel me constantly like mean melter ruined it for town this game.-
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In post 1260, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 1259, Garmr wrote:It's not like even the first time I outed my role as town on day 1 with little to no pressure if I ever get a role like bp maybe not hider like last time butbp I'm just going to claim it day 1 every time.
In post 171, Garmr wrote:@keysor yes I will confirm I am a power role I don't want to say what through.
In post 177, Garmr wrote:Tbh you can lynch me I'm not really an important power role just a bullet proof townie I was trying to draw attention to get someone to night kill me with a soft power role claim before but now I don't really care. My care factor for this game is zero. Because I didn't think anyone would be that retarded and mentally handicapped to follow with myko because of the word honestly.
Talk through with me why you role-claimed Bulletproof Townie inthisgame?
Last time when I claimed hider day 1 scum jumped and tried to get me lynched it backfired in the end and got them lynched and made it obvious who they were. I thought I could do the same thing this game. But town this game were stupid not like the smart town in that game.-
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