Mini 1732 - Super Smash Bros. Project M(afia) - D7!

Metal Sonic · Post Post #650 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:02 pm

VOTE: xtoxm

GuiltyLion · Post Post #651 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:04 pm

Where was he defending him pre-noticing-the-claim? He said he thought Genda's posts weren't that bad but he'd be okay with joining a wagon on any lurker (524). Then he said he preferred his Wanderer push but reaffirmed that if there was interest in a Genda wagon he'd go for it (526). Neither of that looks like defense to me, and I find it weird that LQ is awarding "big town points" for that.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #652 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:04 pm

EBWOP - "big town points" being for smiffles saying the defense was weird.

Metal Sonic · Post Post #653 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:07 pm

If you have bad gut feels from xtoxm: vote him wit me. Let's get a wagon and a claim

GuiltyLion · Post Post #654 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:08 pm

Also LQ, if I may quote here:

In post 450, LicketyQuickety wrote:Not lynching Xt is pretty obvious and the fact that you even have doubt about this is a little off putting.

What happened to this sentiment?

(this kind of shit is exactly why I don't advocate for spouting off worthless reads that you're going to backtrack on later. It just makes you look bad)

smiffle · Post Post #655 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:22 pm

In post 529, Xtoxm wrote:i missed the claim. hes very likely town due to that.

Honestly, the whole thing felt unnecessary coming from Xt. Why defend a lurker who you had barely any, if not no interaction with when somebody votes them out of the blue? He hadn't even read his claim. But his very first post, his very first post regarding this:

In post 524, Xtoxm wrote:between the 4 lurkers i kinda think gendas posts arent that bad? i'd be ok wagoning any of them, though

This post reads with uncertainty regarding Genda's posts (question mark?), indifference towards whether or not he'd even be up to lynching them, and basically setting himself up for a swing either to defense or a vote in the posts proceeding this one.

It's barely enough to warrant a vote on Xt, but ennnhhhhhh...

Metal Sonic · Post Post #656 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:25 pm

please vote with me

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #657 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:48 pm

In post 651, GuiltyLion wrote:Where was he defending him pre-noticing-the-claim? He said he thought Genda's posts weren't that bad but he'd be okay with joining a wagon on any lurker (524). Then he said he preferred his Wanderer push but reaffirmed that if there was interest in a Genda wagon he'd go for it (526). Neither of that looks like defense to me, and I find it weird that LQ is awarding "big town points" for that.

In post 652, GuiltyLion wrote:EBWOP - "big town points" being for smiffles saying the defense was weird.

It was weird. Sometimes you have read between the line a little bit. I didn't see anyone asking about the claim except me, and Xt was definitely around during that time. When I said its a PL if the claim is fake is when Xt got all hot and bothered and stopped posting. I only know claiming miller is a PL because it was a role that was in my first started game on this forum and that was the general consensus. It turns out the claim was real in that game and they died an early death for being confirmed Town.

I still want to know what the whole claim is which was quickly brushed off as a not issue. The claim is weird, Xt's reaction to it was weird, its just a bunch of weird. I like Smiffles response; it seems genuine and very townie-mind-setty to me. Ask yourself if it makes sense for Smiffle to really give me a town read as Scum here after I very well could have had my lynch pushed much more instead of Glenda. I mean really, there's enough ammunition for Smiffle to make a pretty good case for rolefishing there and we just don't see that from them.

My stance on the claim is that it will likely sort itself out if it is true or not, but I still want a full claim so we know exactly what to expect.

TL;DR: So what Smiffle has effectively done is say I am Town while questioning a really weird claim. I just don't think Scum would do that.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #658 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:50 pm

In post 654, GuiltyLion wrote:Also LQ, if I may quote here:

In post 450, LicketyQuickety wrote:Not lynching Xt is pretty obvious and the fact that you even have doubt about this is a little off putting.

What happened to this sentiment?

(this kind of shit is exactly why I don't advocate for spouting off worthless reads that you're going to backtrack on later. It just makes you look bad)

And where have I said we are lynching Xt today? You must have seen I didn't throw a vote in that direction right?

GuiltyLion · Post Post #659 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:27 pm

In post 658, LicketyQuickety wrote:And where have I said we are lynching Xt today? You must have seen I didn't throw a vote in that direction right?

Nah, the inconsistency is that you were putting pressure on me for saying Xtoxm was "probably" a townread - because it was certain that we weren't lynching him at that point? my read wasn't strong enough? - but then when Smiffle starts to throw doubt on Xtoxm, you award him townie points for that.

Overall your response beyond that was fine though, so I don't think this is a point worth pressing any further.

Gendaberry · Post Post #660 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:37 pm

Quick post to say that I have some pretty major work to do so I can't really post much until tomorrow afternoon, although I should finally be free past that.

Not sure why you want a full claim from me that badly LQ, could you explain your reasoning behind wanting it? I don't see how it would benefit town at all.

Also, I'm not sure if you're doing it on purpose or not but my username is Gendaberry not Glendaberry for future reference.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #661 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:39 pm

In post 660, Gendaberry wrote:Quick post to say that I have some pretty major work to do so I can't really post much until tomorrow afternoon, although I should finally be free past that.

Not sure why you want a full claim from me that badly LQ, could you explain your reasoning behind wanting it? I don't see how it would benefit town at all.

Also, I'm not sure if you're doing it on purpose or not but my username is Gendaberry not Glendaberry for future reference.

Why NOT claim all the way? You've already provided plenty of info on your very very unique role and I don't see why withholding anything is doing Town any favors. Like I can maybe see not sharing your whole role just to get a single result on a dead player, but beyond that I see no reason why you would withhold anything at this point.

MarioManiac4 · Post Post #662 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:05 pm

In post 629, Tails wrote:
In post 624, Firebringer wrote:I think he is just saying that like "Nana is scum, has anti town win condition"

I don't think that's what he's saying at all. Something happened to make Mario freak out about that slot.

Yes, scum controller of Nana. Maybe.
I have a feeling you have something to fear about Nana's flip.

MarioManiac4 · Post Post #663 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:07 pm

In post 662, MarioManiac4 wrote:
In post 629, Tails wrote:
In post 624, Firebringer wrote:I think he is just saying that like "Nana is scum, has anti town win condition"

I don't think that's what he's saying at all. Something happened to make Mario freak out about that slot.

Yes, scum controller of Nana. Maybe.
I have a feeling you have something to fear about Nana's flip.

And what happened is I realised the unexplainability of a slot with zero relevant posts, and so few overall, ever being town.
Seriously.
Far better to purge it today.

Metal Sonic · Post Post #664 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:15 pm

Why are you scared of nana but not random lurkers?

Davsto · Post Post #665 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:16 pm

To be fair though, Nana is being a lurker.

MarioManiac4 · Post Post #666 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:17 pm

In post 664, Metal Sonic wrote:Why are you scared of nana but not random lurkers?

Because random lurkers are real people with randomized Role PMs.

Nana · Post Post #667 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:54 pm

I am sorry, I do not have anything to contribute.
If you want to pressure me, you can.
But in the end its either going to be a policy lynch or waste of time.

MarioManiac4 · Post Post #668 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:56 pm

In post 667, Nana wrote:I am sorry, I do not have anything to contribute.
If you want to pressure me, you can.
But in the end its either going to be a policy lynch or waste of time.

Lynch this

Nana · Post Post #669 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:56 pm

I will say that it is in your best interest to leave me be.
I will vote with town when it comes to a consensus on a lynch.

Until then, I will allow you all to scumhunt. Just pretend like I am not even here.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #670 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:56 pm

What if Nana is jester?
What if Nana is Scum?
Is it even possible that Nana is Town?

Nana · Post Post #671 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:58 pm

In post 668, MarioManiac4 wrote:
Lynch this

Can you explain why a lynch on me is most productive use of this day?

Firebringer · Post Post #672 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:01 pm

In post 669, Nana wrote:I will say that it is in your best interest to leave me be.
I will vote with town when it comes to a consensus on a lynch.

Until then, I will allow you all to scumhunt. Just pretend like I am not even here.

Thats.....ambiguous.

MarioManiac4 · Post Post #673 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:03 pm

In post 667, Nana wrote:
I am sorry, I do not have anything to contribute.

If you want to pressure me, you can.
But in the end its either going to be a policy lynch or waste of time.

[quote="In post 669, Nana"

]I will say that it is in your best interest to leave me be.
I will vote with town when it comes to a consensus on a lynch.

Until then, I will allow you all to scumhunt. Just pretend like I am not even here.

[/quote]
I am not buying the survivor claim; even if it was true, you'd vote with Mafia when you could win.
Vote Nana while you still can.

MarioManiac4 · Post Post #674 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:03 pm

In post 673, MarioManiac4 wrote:
In post 667, Nana wrote:
I am sorry, I do not have anything to contribute.

If you want to pressure me, you can.
But in the end its either going to be a policy lynch or waste of time.

In post 669, Nana wrote:
I will say that it is in your best interest to leave me be.
I will vote with town when it comes to a consensus on a lynch.

Until then, I will allow you all to scumhunt. Just pretend like I am not even here.

I am not buying the survivor claim; even if it was true, you'd vote with Mafia when you could win.
Vote Nana while you still can.