Mini 495 - Mafia on a Plane! GAME OVER! =)

[dybeck]

I can't beleive that everyone thinks scumhunting while under attack is scummy. If I was scum (as I've said before) staying alive is a number one priority. Dybeck, I don't think your situation is logical as to go after eachother D1 to the point that one of us gets lynched would be dumb if we were scum.

Don't get cute with me. Scum distancing happens in every game ever played. Please don't try and pretend it doesn't.

Also, nobody thinks that 'scumhunting under attack' is scummy. 'Jumping on easy bandwagons to save your own ass' is scummy and

that's

what you're being accused of.

FOS: Oman

for misrepresentation.

[Oman]

Yes scum distancing happens. But D1 and this intensly, it doesn't seem logical. Vamp has jumped on me and hasn't really looked elsewhere (a small glance at originality). I doubt a distance would be so intense so early with the exclusion of all others.

I understand our misunderstanding in the "scumhunting under attack/jumping on wagons" but I'd like to point out that since I've been attacked I haven't jumped on one easy wagon. Except maybe for my look at vamp, but i didn't even put the vote down. I was the first (and only) to vote for Blackstrike, so don't acusse me of jumping on wagons to save my own ass, cause I'm quite simply, not.

[dybeck]

For the record, I accused you of distancing. Everyone else is accusing you of jumping on easy bandwagons.

[spurgistan]

Actually, I agree that Oman looks like he's distancing / possibly setting up for a bus. However, I feel like Blackstrike's doing way too much self-defense for a guy who wants people to think he's a vanilla townie (which is silly in and of itself) so

Vote: Dr. Blackstrike

[Dr. Blackstrike]

Actually, I agree that Oman looks like he's distancing / possibly setting up for a bus. However, I feel like Blackstrike's doing way too much self-defense for a guy who wants people to think he's a vanilla townie (which is silly in and of itself) so

Vote: Dr. Blackstrike

What do you mean? Please explain.

-Doc "But then again,

any

pro-town player does the town a good turn by not dying, hm?" Blackstrike

[spurgistan]

Yes, but vanilla townies job is more to figure out who scum is then to stay alive. If they die, it can help figure out who scum is. It's still a bad thing, lynching a vanilla, but the vanilla townie does a service to the town by dying gracefully (which you are not)

[Streeflo]

Almost Top of Page Votecount #6!

VampanezeHunter (4) - dybeck, shaft.ed, AlyG, originality
Oman (3) - Elias_the_thief, Dr. Blackstrike, Lucienne
originality (1) - Carrotcake
spurgistan (1) - thesleepless
Dr. Blackstrike (1) - spurgistan

Not voting: VampanezeHunter, Oman

With

12

alive it takes

7

to lynch!

[Dr. Blackstrike]

Yes, but vanilla townies job is more to figure out who scum is then to stay alive. If they die, it can help figure out who scum is. It's still a bad thing, lynching a vanilla, but the vanilla townie does a service to the town by dying gracefully (which you are not)

So... how much defence of self is too much? Where do you draw the line?

-Doc "And you haven't answered my other question" Blackstrike

[dybeck]

If Oman and Vampaneze

do

end up being scum together, can somebody please remind me that spurgistan tried to set up a third bandwagon in post 153.

I'm not trying to run Spurgistan up, but any of us could well be dead by the time we find out VampanezeHunter and Oman's alignment, and someone living needs to have picked up on it.

Dr. Blackstrike - a townie's first job

is

to stay alive. If all townies stay alive Day 1, we get a scum. I don't think we should really be encouraging our townies to die at this stage, and certainly not gracefully. The more fuss and trouble townies make before dying, the more we see the true colors of those who are trying so hard to lynch them, and the more info we get for Day 2.

I have an open question to the group. Is there anyone who is unhappy with

both

the current bandwagons?

[Oman]

I could see spurg trying to save vamp here. I know I'm town, so no worries, but vamp is looking scummier, much scummier, than me.

[AlyG]

I could see spurg trying to save vamp here. I know I'm town, so no worries, but vamp is looking scummier, much scummier, than me.

I've got to agree here, Vamp is my main suspect even though he is now mildly active followed by originality.

[AlyG]

And Dr. Blackstrike who's role claiming is really destroying our chances of winning.

[Oman]

Another theory: (hypotheticalvamp=town) Spurg is scum who is trying to defend me and vamp so if either of us die he can say: SEE I TOLD YOU. Which gets him town cred.

If hes doctor, he's hurt our chances. If he's vanillia, hes crazy.

[shaft.ed]

Some Random Thoughts

@VampenezeHunter: Yeah your right it seems that Oman may be trying to attack other people to get the heat off him.

I'm very surprised this mantra is getting repeated over and over again. This is completely reverse of reality. Oman ended up taking heat

because

he was attacking people.

FoS AlyG VampanezeHunter dybeck

for perpetuating this falsehood.

'Jumping on easy bandwagons to save your own ass' is scummy and that's what you're being accused of. FOS: Oman for misrepresentation.

Please point to example of jumping on easy bandwagon(

s

). We all remember originality, but where's the rest? Yes I know you clarified this later, but you're first quote clearly states that you are also accusing him of bandwagoning. Another

FoS dybeck

as long as FoS's are getting passed out for misrepresentation.

Guys please don't lynch Vampeneze hunter until he's given an explanation. If he doesn't in the next weeks i'm fine with it though. Just give him a chance to explain first.

If it's that important to you why haven't you unvoted him?

Well, Im feeling rather pressured into voting for someone.

As I explained, VH is seeming the most suspicious here, so im going to tip the balance by vote VampanezeHunter.

WHy are you feeling pressured to vote, who brought this up in regards to you? And how convenient you chose the biggest bandwagon.

FoS originality

All toll I'm getting a bad feeling from dybeck.

unvote Vamp vote dybeck

[AlyG]

Shaft.ed, i kept my vote on Vamp so he remained pressured and he may would oblige to talk. The more votes he had the better chance of a post by him. If i unvoted him he would have had less pressure on him and he may have continually ignored this thread. That's why i kept my vote and warned everyone to keep him from getting lynched without explanation.

[Oman]

The other option AlyG is to say "unvote but will go back on if vamp doesn't talk" clearly states your intention, keeps pressure on, and avoids "mislynch" (which I doubt with vamp)

[AlyG]

The other option AlyG is to say "unvote but will go back on if vamp doesn't talk" clearly states your intention, keeps pressure on, and avoids "mislynch" (which I doubt with vamp)

Yeah i probably should have said that >_>

[Oman]

Look, i'm gonna assume this is one of your first games, (join date), so you're still learning (as am I, shows by my horrible traps). Its nice that you admit mistakes though

[AlyG]

By the way, quite a few people haven't posted for a while. I'll get a list of people i think may need a prod.

[AlyG]

Mod, requesting to prod Elias_the_Thief and originality.

Also Lucienne, you have also posted little since you replaced Karen and haven't postsed for 2 days.

[Oman]

Lucienne didn't replace Karen....dybeck did.

[AlyG]

My mistake...Anyway Lucienne you still haven't voted much and i'd like to hear your opinions on the game so far.

[Oman]

/Agree.

Just reinforcing.

Quick note, AlyG could be using this to get heat off a scumpartner. Not accusing yet, as checking lurkers is a protown move.

[dybeck]

Yes I know you clarified this later, but you're first quote clearly states that you are also accusing him of bandwagoning.

Umm... it really doesn't.

Some others accused him of bandwagoning. I just pointed out the accusation, and the fact that he hadn't answered the points that were put to him.

[AlyG]

/Agree.

Just reinforcing.

Quick note, AlyG could be using this to get heat off a scumpartner. Not accusing yet, as checking lurkers is a protown move.

I'm just asking them to be prodded and to post so can hear their opinions on the game. i'm doing it for the town's benefit.