Why do you make it sound like an opinion you need to defend when you have evidence to back the whole thing up with quotes?I am still uncomfortable with the way he backpeddled (I'm still maintaining he did) about eh Condorcet issues
But mith loves Jesters!And knowing mith, the chances of there being a jester in the pool are astronomically small.
God this post scares the ever-living crap out of me.Yay thesp. ANd, because of your post, yay pooky. I snickered at it.
I was very impressed with THesp's play in Meadows of Sorrow and I feel he is a great player who will bring a lot to this game. For all the reasons you said above, too, minus the ""Are you trying to get into his good graces with a generic contentless message like "yay thesp"?" part. I'm not a butt kisser. (See former discussion with lml re: friendships nad mafia, playing of)
From a theory standpoint, I think this is misleading.Skruffs wrote:Scum can act town for short periods of time, but in the end, they want mislynches.
Do you think he's distancing from Jeep?Skruffs re: DP wrote:His later note on Jeep is very interesting and goes against my collected data on him. As well as everyone else's. I like how he took a break, 'dug' at jeep, got accolades for it, adn then went back to me. Now people are saying "Well look what he did to jeep" (even if it was misguided), which by default makes it look like he was doing the same thing to me. He wasn't. I don't remember him 'digging' when he put the seventh vote on me, and I don't remember him 'digging' when he said that if I was scum one person would look bad and if I was town another would look bad.
Talitha wins this thread forever. Her winningness cannot be surpassed.Talitha wrote:I still don't see this as likely to happen at all, but I will answer you. It provides all the obvious information, eg. that the person was town, that Jeep wanted to lynch them as a 3rd/6th choice, and obviously others must have had him/her listed for a lynch as well. Now I ask to you, how much difference does it make if Jeep invents a logical sounding reason for all of those he has listed, to appease you? There are a thousand reasons he could make up, and people who have been playing this game a while are most likely going to be convincing. I am not saying that giving reasons never helps, I am sayingdon't stifle people from voting by pretending that it's a rule that votes must be accompanied by a reason. Because if I am still alive later in the game and re-reading over day 1 trying to find the scum, I will be looking at the votes first, the reasons second.
Would you support an Oman lynch over a No Lynch?Oman wrote:I'd say that anylynch is better then no lynch, the game was made for the mechanics of lynching each day and NK each day.
Do you think either of the scenarios you've presented here have potentially obtained?Adele wrote:Scum 1 and scum 2 could arrange before the game to "random" vote scum 3 so that anyone else voting scum 3 would be attacked.
Scum 1 and scum 2 could arrange before the game to "random" vote townie 3 so that they could unvote and defend the townie upon the third vote so, should that that townie ever die, they'll be considered likely GGs be association.
And so on.
This feelsSkruffs wrote:I like how LML is being meta'd because 'he's always loud and likes to stir things up' but i am being voted for the exact same thing, and I'm not doing it by attacking people based on reasons that were half thought out or misread or just not understood at all. I will have to make a note to play much, much sloppier in the future.
Can a person express that they themselves don't want to use a list without discouraging the use of a list? (READING EDIT: Zindaras seems to be asking this question, too.)jeep wrote:Anyone who DISCOURAGES the use of a list is scummy. That is clear from my post that you quoted, right? People NOT using a list, doesn't make them scummy. It's only if they discourage the use of a list.
What do you think of other players?cubsfan4ever wrote:Again, I don't think Skruffs is doing anything out the ordinary than what he does in just about every game he plays. It would seem he is getting attacked without differing from his normal play style whereas others such as LmL are seen as easier to understand because they are not doing anything out of how they would normally play.
Have you known MoS to be helpful at the beginning of the game?PookytheMagicalBear wrote:Yes MoS,
I'm not saying your scum because of making a random vote.
I am saying you are scum because of the effort you've taken to make sure that your vote is seen as completely random.
Why go to that effort unless you have something to hide?
Heck if you had just voted alphabetically it would've taken much less effort, been about as random, and had about the same impact on the game in terms of voting(which is to say pretty much none at all since random votes are kinda worthless and I doubt we'll move into the stage where Condorcet actually plays out on day one)
Stop trying to discourage people from complimenting me. >:-|PookytheMagicalBear wrote:Are you trying to get into his good graces with a generic contentless message like
"yay thesp"?
There's probably lots more of this fluffy stuff lying around that I haven't attacked people on, but this really jumped out at me when I was reading the last post.
Why did you do it in the first place? Did you think it would be helpful?Mastermind of Sin wrote:Skruffs, it is not I who is focusing on my random vote. It is the many other players who think there is something to be garnered from analyzing it and choose to waste our time by distracting the town from actually chasing scum.
Is there any immediate reason to assume Thesp is scum, because if there isn't I don't see the problem here.Scruffs decides that, since Thesp is a good player, we should "Yay Thesp!" because he "has a lot to bring?"
What would happen if Thesp was scum, Scruffs?
You don't see a problem with inherently singing someone's praises just because who they are?Mgm wrote:Is there any immediate reason to assume Thesp is scum, because if there isn't I don't see the problem here.Scruffs decides that, since Thesp is a good player, we should "Yay Thesp!" because he "has a lot to bring?"
What would happen if Thesp was scum, Scruffs?
While I tend to agree with you in principle, at this point it isn't that big of a problem (if it is at all). We have enough people in the game right now that it doesn't matter. If we had less people, I'd be more concerned.LoudmouthLee wrote:You don't see a problem with inherently singing someone's praises just because who they are?Mgm wrote:Is there any immediate reason to assume Thesp is scum, because if there isn't I don't see the problem here.Scruffs decides that, since Thesp is a good player, we should "Yay Thesp!" because he "has a lot to bring?"
What would happen if Thesp was scum, Scruffs?
Everyone in this game has the same chances of being scum. To say "Yay Thesp! You have a lot to bring to the table here!" basically means, to me, that Scruffs is giving some sort of power to thesp... The feeling of Gospel.
It rubs me the wrong way. MGM, I'm kinda suprised it doesn't make you uneasy.
I agree. On top of that, we don't have any real evidence that Skruffs has actively overlooked Thesp. If Thesp had posted something suspicious or ambiguously suspicious, it would be more important. I've greeted plenty of people with that kind of enthusiasm.foolinc wrote:While I tend to agree with you in principle, at this point it isn't that big of a problem (if it is at all). We have enough people in the game right now that it doesn't matter. If we had less people, I'd be more concerned.LoudmouthLee wrote:It rubs me the wrong way. MGM, I'm kinda suprised it doesn't make you uneasy.
Stop trying to encourage people to use appeal to authority.Stop trying to discourage people from complimenting me.
Very, very, veryI don't see much of a problem in praising someone. If they are really scummy, that praise really isn't gonna make a whole lot of a difference.
If he changed it in immediately the next post, then it would be scummy, but without agreement on opinions, then there'll never be a lynch, unless by some amazing coincidence a majority of players agree at the very beginning.Lee, please elaborate on the changes in your Condorcet lists:
You go from this:
Vote: MoS, Adele, Zinadras, Scruffs, [Jeep, MGM, Xyzzy]
To this:
Unvote, Vote: Scruffs, MoS, Zindaras, MGM, PWS, Xyzzy
Without any real explanation, with no posts in between.
"And ifI agree. On top of that, we don't have any real evidence that Skruffs has actively overlooked Thesp. If Thesp had posted something suspicious or ambiguously suspicious, it would be more important. I've greeted plenty of people with that kind of enthusiasm.
I'm certain that it's possible. Something like:Thesp wrote:Can a person express that they themselves don't want to use a list without discouraging the use of a list?jeep wrote:Anyone who DISCOURAGES the use of a list is scummy.