LoL eSports Discussion

[zoraster]

I feel empty, waking up to no worlds.

Also, I did love this reaction:

[mykonian]

so who's going to be the one throwing basic sports psychology at the players not actually knowing the rules of the competition (but thankfully the support does)

[zoraster]

pardon?

[mykonian]

hermit and aranea actually seem to know what the possible outcomes are. The actual players don't even know and think they are facing fnatic.

idk, I tended to see it as a bad thing if during a game or a tournament you didn't even understand what was happening in it.

[zoraster]

I think you're searching very hard to read anything into that. The players had a lot of other things to worry about than the specifics of how teams were drawn, which ultimately is of zero consequence to them as they can't do anything about it and the period of uncertainty lasts approximately 20 seconds.

The biggest thing to me is how much they wanted to dodge Fnatic, who they took to five games in the finals so should have on that basis been fairly confident against. Which suggests to me that Fnatic has Origen's number in scrims. Facing SKT was obviously a much worse result that they didn't seem that concerned about.

[mykonian]

well there's also the part where they say "hmm, but we are on the same side as skt", "whatever, more money anyway"

[zoraster]

I'm not really sure what he meant (just that they get more money if they finish 3rd/4th?), but whatever makes them not worry about facing SKT in the semis at this point is probably good.

The money change between 3-4 and 5-8 is nice (about 13k in euros per person), but it's probably not enough to be a sole motivator.

[quadz08]

The money change between 3-4 and 5-8 is nice (about 13k in euros per person), but it's probably not enough to be a sole motivator.

I dunno, man - for someone who probably doesn't have too much in the way of long-term employment prospects after their playing career is over, $15k is a pretty solid chunk

[quadz08]

hermit and aranea actually seem to know what the possible outcomes are. The actual players don't even know and think they are facing fnatic.

idk, I tended to see it as a bad thing if during a game or a tournament you didn't even understand what was happening in it.

To be fair, quikshot (I think it was quikshot) was also confused as to how the draw was happening, while he was commentating on it. It wasn't a particularly well-published procedure, and as Zor said, the players have more things to worry about.

[dramonic]

How is "you can't have a rematch from group stage until finals" a complex system?

[zoraster]

It's not. It just wasn't highly publicized. I think everyone knew instinctively they wouldn't be matched with someone in the quarters, but not that they ALSO wouldn't be in the semis. Plus it's just harder to see when looking at the bracket.

[BROseidon]

Bitches need to watch more world cup

[zoraster]

the world cup doesn't have a secondary draw though. You know from the start which group's winner/2nd place finisher you'll play if you get first or second in your group.

[Venmar]

Is it just me that thinks its kind of dumb how SKT got an easy group and AND an easy Bracket? SKT gets to (arguably) stomp through AHQ and FW/OG while the other best teams that actually pose a threat to SKT will slaughter each other in the other bracket.

[zoraster]

i mean they got placed in a group with a team that pre-worlds was thought of as easily the biggest challenger to SKT. It definitely wasn't a threat to them not qualifying for the bracket stage, but it also wasn't an "easy" group in the sense that their capacity to lose a game or two was as high as it could be considering you don't really want two teams from the same region in a group.

Anyway, it's not dumb at all that they'd get easier even if you were trying to engineer it. In the NCAA tournament, for example, each side of the bracket has teams seeded 1-16, where the top team plays the 16th best team, the second top team plays the 15th, and so on. The idea is that you want the best teams to meet in the finals. This is actually VERY normal in tournaments that seed.

Also, it's not like a tough match in the quarters or semis somehow makes the teams that play in those games weaker except potentially giving away strategies.

To put it another way: wouldn't it be dumb to put the top teams against each other early on in the tournament in a way that would eliminate them? Isn't it better to give the best shot at a good finals rather than a good quarters?

[Venmar]

I have a hard time believing Fnatic will beat EDG at all.

Meh. Fnatic did look shaky in the first week but they showed up big time yesterday and proved their worth. I also think they are much better in a Bo5 format. It's not like EDG didn't struggle either, they couldn't beat SKT and even in some of their games vs H2K their wins were sloppy, with H2K being in the lead in some of them at different points in time. FW are good but they dropped a game to CLG and PNG, which isn't that good, and their success against KOO will be harder to replicate against a team like OG which has a different playstyle and pick/ban.

[zoraster]

there are some champs that are just much better at getting pentas than others. Katarina, for example, gets 28 times the pentakills per match that Lee Sin does (Katarina gets the most at 1.15% per game in Gold+ games).

In case you're wondering, here are champions that get at least 1 per 200 games: Katarina, Yi, Jinx, Vayne, Darius, Draven, Akali, Kalista, Yasuo, Tristana.

Katarina and Yi are the two champions you should target if you want pentakills though. They get 49% and 35% more pentakills than Jinx at #3.

[BROseidon]

Wait, champs with reset mechanics are more likely to get pentakills?

I'm

shocked

[zoraster]

Only half those champs have resets! Yi doesn't, right?

[mykonian]

his ult duration lengthens on kills

[Cabd]

Katarina, Yi, Jinx, Vayne, Darius, Draven, Akali, Kalista, Yasuo, Tristana


Passive resets cooldowns.

Ult Timer Lengthens on Kill/Assist

Passive gives movement speed burst on kill/assist

No resets, but lategame adc

Ult resets on kill

No major resets, but lategame damage adc

Resets on kill

Rend resets on usage properly

No resets, but 50% armor pen is pretty broken and tons of mobility

W resets on kill or assist.



Only one I'm surprised isn't on there is Kha, actually.

[Voidedmafia]

Given how nerfed his stats are from S3 I'm kinda not.

[quadz08]

Oh hey, Froskurinn is a lesbian and posted a video on her youtube channel about it yesterday. Things I just learned! I think this is cool that she is open about it in the environment that she is constantly in as a caster, good for her.

[Venmar]

Not that surprised.

[Venmar]

Well you guys got what you wanted. TSM is replacing Dyrus, Santorin, AND Lustboy. (Dyrus and Lustboy retired to be more accurate though)