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Post Post #5025 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:42 am

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Also, shotcalling is a legitimate part of being a player. At least it is if you are a shotcaller.
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Post Post #5026 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:13 am

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His mechanics were good, sure, but there were a lot of (at the time) mids with better mechanics. I'm not sure if his god-mode shotcalls compensate it to that extent.
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Post Post #5027 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:15 am

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semi-unrelated, but people seem to go crazy for faker, but tbh I feel like Marin is more impressive?
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Post Post #5028 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:27 am

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Much more limited player. Very good on maokai, small champ pool otherwise. He tends to practice just a couple at a time. IIRC he gets a substantial amount of the farm of SKT.

Then, you can't really ban him out (are you seriously going to let faker have a free pick?), you can't really camp him, as bengi is one of the better supportive junglers (vision) and faker is going to lane bordering on arrogant, and whatever advantage he gets he's going to use to set up plays for his team.

He's a good player, but the environment he's in is really setting him up for success. Compare it to wildturtle/bjergsen of previous season. Bjergsen is clearly the better player, and really needed to be contained by the opposing team. In his shadow, Wildturtle could really get work done.
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Post Post #5029 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:13 pm

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So, maybe if they could replicate that sort of environment would that help TSM? Not to the point where it's all about Bjergsen, but just so that Bjergsen gets enough pressure that Wildturtle (And hell, include Dryus/his eventual successor) can make plays. That's also dependent on WT and Dyrus/successor not sucking ass in lane and the team as a whole not making mid-game mistakes, but it's a place to shoot for.
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Post Post #5030 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:16 pm

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In post 5024, pickemgenius wrote:Easily the best player.

Before his wrist issues his mechanics were good.

I'm not even sure who you else you could consider.

I think he's the best player yes but probably not the best player mechanically. His level of play and his shotcalling alone make him one of the best western players, but mechanics has always been one of his weaknesses.

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In post 5020, Venmar wrote:I wouldn't lol. C9 is doing well but not that well.


Imagine what hai could do as a shotcaller when he didn't have to use only strategies that hide the fact that balls is well past his prime.

C9 has played with Hai's shotcalling abilities when Balls was in his prime and Hai was in his career role, mid, and they didn't do THAT much outside of NA. Given, considering this worlds performance, S3 and S4 C9 as a whole might've been weaker than today's C9 since the gap between West and East has slightly lessened, but I really don't think C9 is a team that could beat SKT, at least not atm. I'm super optimistic about the NA and EU teams this worlds but even with OG, CLG, and FNC, I can't say with confidence that they could win a Bo5 against SKT. Definitely possible, but perhaps not "likely".
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Post Post #5031 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:24 pm

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In post 5027, dramonic wrote:semi-unrelated, but people seem to go crazy for faker, but tbh I feel like Marin is more impressive?

Flashy plays gets the fanbois

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Post Post #5032 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:52 pm

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Fakers play vs H2K was sloppy at times but he's been otherwise doing well so far.
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Post Post #5033 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:54 am

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In post 5030, Venmar wrote:C9 has played with Hai's shotcalling abilities when Balls was in his prime and Hai was in his career role, mid, and they didn't do THAT much outside of NA. Given, considering this worlds performance, S3 and S4 C9 as a whole might've been weaker than today's C9 since the gap between West and East has slightly lessened, but I really don't think C9 is a team that could beat SKT, at least not atm. I'm super optimistic about the NA and EU teams this worlds but even with OG, CLG, and FNC, I can't say with confidence that they could win a Bo5 against SKT. Definitely possible, but perhaps not "likely".


Incarnation is much better than Hai ever was (sans shot calling), and Sneaky is much, much better than he used to be.
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Post Post #5034 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:04 am

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http://www.thescoreesports.com/lol/news/4215

seemed like a good piece and you might miss it otherwise.
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Post Post #5035 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:13 am

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that is really interesting.
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Post Post #5036 (ISO) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:17 pm

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http://castercomix.com/post/13071931143 ... shall-tell

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Post Post #5037 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:00 am

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looool

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Post Post #5038 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:01 am

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Nice to be able to watch these games on my big screen TV or desktop rather than my ipad mini on iffy wifi...
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Post Post #5039 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:07 am

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why were you doing that before?
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Post Post #5040 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:11 am

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I was in Tuscany, sitting on the patio. Great views, less great wifi signal:

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Post Post #5041 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:21 am

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ok valid point
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Post Post #5042 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:25 am

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i want very few skins, but curling veigar, which I did not know existed until now, is one I do.
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Post Post #5043 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:36 am

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In post 4883, animorpherv1 wrote:Let's be honest here, Flash Wolves are better than KOO right now. So it'd be better if CLG 2-0'd them. This whole Koreans are the only good players bullcrap is actually starting to annoy me.


It might annoy you but despite the flash wolves upset, koo was still a fundamentally good team.
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Post Post #5044 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:37 am

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I'm confused about why they're doing scheduling different today, with all the Group A games today.

Also not a big fan that the C9 games start at 4am my time...
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Post Post #5045 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:41 am

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Oh also... this game is really painful. Because they're all on the same day, not a ton of time to recover from a loss like this.
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Post Post #5046 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:49 am

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In post 5044, zoraster wrote:I'm confused about why they're doing scheduling different today, with all the Group A games today.

Also not a big fan that the C9 games start at 4am my time...

so that they can do tiebreakers for each group at the end of each day, rather than having to do four groups' worth of potential tiebreakers all on Sunday

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Post Post #5047 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:52 am

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I suppose that makes sense, but it's not that satisfying... for one thing, Group A's teams will have from Friday to prepare for quarters (including getting there and set up) whereas Group B's will only have from Monday.
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Post Post #5048 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:56 am

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I personally like it a lot this way, honestly. I see your point about the preparation thing, but nobody knows who they'll be playing until groups are done - I believe knockout draws happen randomly after groups are done, so that prep is just going to be straight practice time, which isn't going to be that helpful at this point.
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Post Post #5049 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:56 am

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CLG shouldn't have been trying to keep picking fights from behind against a comp that has Darius and Tahm Kench, they just didn't know how to play against the comp and got stomped. Unfortunate. Pretty sure that if CLG makes it out of groups they probably wont make it past Quarters.
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