Mafia 68: Ork - Game over!

[Kinetic]

I realize I'm being vague, but I don't want to let the scum in on my plan pre-mass claim. I continue to say AFTER the mass claim, yet still on Day 1 I will elaborate much more on anything anyone wants me to.

[IH]

I have literally physically become tired arguing.

Whatever. This plan was not my idea. Do what you will.

[IH]

Do not end the day without me discussing a scumtactic that needs to be discussed after massclaim.

[Shanba]

MoS, how much do you want me to claim?

[Guardian]

Claim your role only;
do not claim any results
until all claim roles.

[Shanba]

No results, nothing? Fine. I'd still like MoS to answer my question before I claim, but w/e.

[Kinetic]

Shanba stop stalling please.

[Shanba]

Kinetic, I asked the question for a reason.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Rolename only. Night actions can be claimed later. Claiming night actions just helps the scum set up their claims. I would prefer claiming night actions in reverse order that we claim rolenames, so that the people who claim later cannot base everything off the people before them.

[Shanba]

Alright. I'm the Inspector. Next person go.

[Kinetic]

>< And the game is afoot! gogo scotmany!

[Pie_is_good]

Pie, I think the vig should choose who to target. The danger of the cop investigating the target is mitigated by the chance the scum will target the same person. I also think the vig should claim so he has at least some protection from the doc.

The doc would be protecting the inspector, I'd think. Is it really worth the risk?

Also, the doctor should literally roll a die and protect one of the vig/cop. This way, it keeps the scum from being able to kill either power role, because there is no psychological WIFOM to go through. There would be exactly a 50% chance of protecting either role, so the scum can't predict that.

This is wrong. The scenario that ensures everything to be "average" would be to weight the decision exactly according to the role's value to the town (if the cop is twice as valuable as the vig, 2:1 odds of protecting the cop).

[Kinetic]

Pie, I think the vig should choose who to target. The danger of the cop investigating the target is mitigated by the chance the scum will target the same person. I also think the vig should claim so he has at least some protection from the doc.

The doc would be protecting the inspector, I'd think. Is it really worth the risk?

The doc is 50/50 on the cop vig. Reasoning below.

Also, the doctor should literally roll a die and protect one of the vig/cop. This way, it keeps the scum from being able to kill either power role, because there is no psychological WIFOM to go through. There would be exactly a 50% chance of protecting either role, so the scum can't predict that.

This is wrong. The scenario that ensures everything to be "average" would be to weight the decision exactly according to the role's value to the town (if the cop is twice as valuable as the vig, 2:1 odds of protecting the cop).

No, MOS is correct. With a 50/50 on cop/vig the scum have at best a coin flip arrangement. And since we're forcing them into a corner with Mass Claim they cannot afford a no kill night. If it is like you say they might consider going for the Vig since he only has a 30% chance of being protected. Not so much a coin flip anymore.

[IH]

So why is the vig kill more important than cop confirming people?

it isn't.....

Also, what about the lynch? Are you going to risk a lynch in the mass of townies?

[Yosarian2]

No, MOS is correct. With a 50/50 on cop/vig the scum have at best a coin flip arrangement. And since we're forcing them into a corner with Mass Claim they cannot afford a no kill night. If it is like you say they might consider going for the Vig since he only has a 30% chance of being protected. Not so much a coin flip anymore.

No, that's silly. If the mafia had a 50/50 chance of killing the cop, they would definatly take it, I'd think, and keep taking it every night, rather then shoot at the "townies" and thus limit the pool of potential lynches trying to find the doc. It'd be worth it for the scum to take 2 or 3 shots in order to kill the cop, I'd think.

Can we please just stop trying to tell the doc what to do here?

[Tarhalindur]

Seriously, guys, let's stop discussing tactics until after mass claim is over, ok?

[scotmany12]

I'm townie.

[Guardian]

Fireaxe, Gorrad,
and Sefer: you three are the
next up for claiming.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Like I said. The doc does not have to follow this plan. However, with the plans that have been suggested, it will be hard for the scum to figure out what the doc will do. We don't need to discuss it anymore.

[Mastermind of Sin]

EBWOP: Following Sarc's plan, I would definitely take the 33% chance of the vig getting protected. Just sayin'. Either way, though, we don't know which plan the doc will use.

[IH]

1.Following who's plan?
2.I still have heard nothing about the lynch.

[Flameaxe]

First off, Flameaxe*. Feel free to refer to me as BBB/BBM (AIM shortened name)

My claim is

Vigilante

[curiouskarmadog]

First off, Flameaxe*. Feel free to refer to me as BBB/BBM (AIM shortened name)

My claim is

Vigilante

probably going to just call you Flame...

good shot Night 0 btw

[Flameaxe]

Flame is fine.

[IH]

HAI BBB!