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[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, I'm all caught up.

A VC would be really nice right now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think I want to lynch inside of Pistachion, Dier and Felissan.

UNVOTE:

[mykonian]

not feli.

[Hieirama]

For now, my vote will go somewhere completely different...
VOTE: Hieirama
The wording in some of his posts just has a feel of uneasy scum (constantly insisting on whether his play is scummy or not, worrying too much about not doing enough) - I mainly think of these lines:

I made that readlist, you're right, to contribute a little bit more than a one-liner. I'm not sure how that's scum-oriented?

Scum can casually give opinions on recent events too, though, its not just a Town thing.

-snip-

Kind of. I'll restate it: "I'll attempt to form an analysis even though I don't fully get what's going on, because it's much better than lurking around."

I'd like to put a bit more pressure on him, hence my vote.

I totally skipped past this post lol.

Hmm, I meant to question why my actions seemed scummy, not insist I wasn't.
I get the second part. I do want contribute as much as possible.

[Lalendra]

Really not a fan of the claim or the weird emotional outburst so early in the game. It's not that intense yet. I will wait and see what happens after his two-day hiatus though before I decide.

Well, that's an awful post.

k

I can post more. What would you like to discuss?

How about you read the thread and provide something off of your own back? This looks like scum asking for an angle to get into the game.

It was someone who had been entirely too busy to read the thread asking if there was something pressing that we needed to address. I think I caught up fairly well now and made a pretty substantial post, and I am confident in my Garmr read for reasons I already outlined, but if there is something else you'd like to know just ask.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can I get your thoughts on Dier please?

[Lalendra]

DWL is Town and easy to lynch. Players voting DWL are therefore more likely to be Mafia.

UNVOTE: BBT
VOTE: Keyser

I didn’t have as much of a problem with 66 as some others did. I agree that Dwlee is town, which might be why I don’t find his absolute assessment of Dwlee as town to be weird, and I think that “Dwlee is town so others voting him are probably scum” is actually fairly solid logic that I think is used all the time to analyze wagons. Dier also wasn't the only one town-reading Dwlee at that point, so this makes even more sense in light of that. I don’t necessarily agree with his vote on Keyser, since myko was pushing Dwlee a LOT harder at that point in time than Keyser was, he just hadn't voted yet. There is a lot of ambivalent wording in Dier's posts – “I could see that coming from mafia,” “not a particularly strong case but not a particularly weak one,” “I could see that from mafia,” etc. - which I know a lot of people see as scummy, but I don't necessarily think that's alignment-indicative. There are plenty of people who tend to be wishy-washy as either alignment. The fact that he has only posted 12 times in 112 pages is definitely problematic, I feel like he’s just sort of jumping in with opportunistic votes. While I don’t particularly like his play this game, I’m not confident in reading him as scum, because he does have a few good posts where he genuinely seems to be trying to sort the game, but I wish he would post more.

[Lalendra]

EBWOP: 12 pages, not 112.

[herrcombs]

Prod dodge. I'll catch up tomorrow once I have time.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It sounds like you're undecided on Dier.

If we get a wagon forming on him, maybe you will have a chance to develop a better read?

[mykonian]

Not quite sure why you are letting garmr off after a poorly executed fakeclaim and half a case on a (former) lurker.

After that, nothing changed, his posting is still very defensive. Just do a count of his posts, which of them is actually interested in the people around him.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because I felt like I was borderline policy-lynching him. His claim will sort itself out at some point, if not, we can look at it another time.

I also disliked some of the jumps onto his wagon and I want to have a look at the many people who are flying under the radar.

[Lalendra]

It sounds like you're undecided on Dier.

If we get a wagon forming on him, maybe you will have a chance to develop a better read?

I would still prefer to lynch Garmr but I would not be opposed to Dier as a compromise lynch, because yes, I am undecided and would be interested to see how he reacts.

[Felissan]

Sorry about inactivity again - busy with studies, tired from being sick, all that kind of good stuff.
To give a quick update on my reads from what happened lately, I have a town read on BBT (gave a lot of effort catching up on the game, giving new points on old posts) and a null read on Lalendra (I like how she's been more active, but she just gives some neutral opinions on many things without judging a lot).

PEdit:

I would still prefer to lynch Garmr but I would not be opposed to Dier as a compromise lynch, because yes, I am undecided and would be interested to see how he reacts.

Did I just read that right? I don't see how you would agree with a lynch on someone you don't have an opinion on...

[Dierfire]

Brief post, sorry: I'm not caught up but I will catch up this afternoon.

[Lalendra]

PEdit:

I would still prefer to lynch Garmr but I would not be opposed to Dier as a compromise lynch, because yes, I am undecided and would be interested to see how he reacts.

Did I just read that right? I don't see how you would agree with a lynch on someone you don't have an opinion on...

I want to put pressure on him to get information. Sorry I wasn't clear.

[Hieirama]

PEdit:

I would still prefer to lynch Garmr but I would not be opposed to Dier as a compromise lynch, because yes, I am undecided and would be interested to see how he reacts.

Did I just read that right? I don't see how you would agree with a lynch on someone you don't have an opinion on...

I want to put pressure on him to get information. Sorry I wasn't clear.

Reading though it, I thought it was pretty clear if you include BBT's remark in 309.

[implosion]

Yeah, you can actually ignore my townread on Dier, I had a reason which I have just now determined to be me being stupid and looking for townreads too hard. I'm actually okay with a wagon/lynch on any of BBT's 3. The townread was based entirely on a gut first impression of 146 and in retrospect that post makes more than plenty of sense as scum.

[mykonian]

now that is a lovely town post by implosion.

Still not going to lynch feli. He's town too.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Cool, let's make this happen then.

VOTE: Dier

[mykonian]

Because I felt like I was borderline policy-lynching him. His claim will sort itself out at some point, if not, we can look at it another time.

Since when were we just lynching him for being incompetent?

You and I both know that claim didn't make his case any better.

[Dwlee99]

Why is it suddenly a policy lynch? It never was. It was for how scummy they were and the claim. I changed my mind on Garmr, too, but don't make up odd reasons like you were policy lynching them.

[Dierfire]

@Haschel

Now this is interesting. Herr calls out Dwlee for manipulating mykonian's words, but then votes for mykonian for tone reasons. Don't like this one bit.
---SNIP---
Alright, Townreads are mykonian, implosion, Garmr, and Herrcombs.

Unvote: Herrcombs

How did you settle on reading Herrcombs as Town?

[Dierfire]

UNVOTE: Lalendra
The list has arrived~

Back to Garmr for the reasons I was already on the wagon before I switched to Lalendra.
VOTE: Garmr

Hmm, I didn't read it as a policy lynch.
UNVOTE:

I am so confused right now. Did you literally just vote Garmr, then unvote him once you understood that I was just PLing him? Why does my vote inform yours in any way, since you were "already on the wagon"? Did I miss something or is this just incredibly weird?

Cause now I feel like Garmr's posts are townie and so I'm less sure of Garmr being scum. Gotta think.

I removed my vote on Keyser cause there was no way to get a wagon on it. He's still my major scum read but if no one agrees there's no point in me being super stubborn over it and insisting to vote keyser which would just piss everyone off.
I don't know about the garmr lynch. I am doubting that read because I liked their read on lalendra (after I found out I totally misread lalendra's post)
I don't see why Lalendra would try to put a vote out and then just be like 'Oh, well, don't think I'm suspicious when he flips cause policy lynch.' This also made me doubt my read on Garmr because why would scum!lalendra make a policy lynch vote on scum!garmr?
I feel confident in this vote.
VOTE: Lalendra

This is an interesting interaction. DWL was temporarily voting for Lalendra before, too, (for lurking?) before switching to Garmr.
I'm making a note to check this out again if either of them ever flips Mafia.

[Dierfire]

@BBT

I'm not seeing the Dier town read - talk to me about it. Everything he is posting feels off to me and I can usually read Dier as town pretty quickly.

Ha ha, you think you know me? I think that, of games we've both played Day One, you've voted for me more times than not (although I checked 1669 again, and you came around faster than I remembered).